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Oscar Whisky - doubtful stayer ?
Oscar Whisky - doubtful stayer ?
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was that straight after a novice season AG ?? Ingles Drever had 4 races out of novice company before winning the World Hurdle. Oscar Whiskey has had 7 races out of novice company...not sure what point you are trying to make. |
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Angel you say "why get into a battle with BB so early". I dont believe PN would have been afraid of battle with OW at then. Perhaps this is the difference between the two horses. If it comes to a battle I know which one I want to be on.
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I really fancy OW to lower BB colours this year. With the ground as it is I think OW will see the trip out and in a tactical race could have a little too much toe for BB.
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I really fancy OW to lower BB colours this year. With the ground as it is I think OW will see the trip out and in a tactical race could have a little too much toe for BB.
The field for this race may well end up being very small. It's hard to see where a really good gallop will come from unless Dynaste tries to make all (very unlikely), Or Ruby decides to make the running on BB. PN has said they will be willing to do this but given BB's style of racing it's far from ideal. Oscar Whisky at 4-1 1-2-3 1/4 unmissable value surely. |
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If they jog around and OW settles then i think he will have too much toe for BB.
So i think Ruby will have to take it up, they have to try and sap the stamina out of OW or else i think BB will be in trouble. |
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When an owner/trainer gets a NH horse they either dream Gold Cup or Champion hurdle, no way the stayers hurdle. It is a race that certain horses just fall into. My point is, usually nothing with any real class takes part, until now that is. Baracouda, Inglis Drever, Big Bucks, were all able to dominate generally average animals and set up sequences.
In Oscar Whiskey BB faces something completely different IMO. Interestingly people say BB is tough, i saw a ATR clip with a chap that broke OW, when asked what he was like he said "you cold tell he was good,but the thing that stood out was how hard he was" It's time for the Bully to meet the new kid in the playground. ps Zealot, The Aintree form means nothing,he wont need to be going for home anywhere before half way up the run in. |
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Spot on Derek.
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does thousand stars not outstay oscar ?
oscar looks like he wont get 3 in a horse box and i cannot think why NH would run him against the best staying hurdler in the world unless he knows differant .Although WPM appears to be running 4 three of which have little chance imo .....strange race! cant see the stars out of the first three ...but i have been wrong before . |
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No. Form Horse Age Wt Trainer Jockey OR NagMe Bet
1 111-111 Big Buck's (FR) 47 9 11-10 P F Nicholls R Walsh 174 4/9 2 0214-35 Carlito Brigante (IRE) 20 6 11-10 t G Elliott D N Russell 155 33/1 3 14-5452 Cross Kennon (IRE) 26 8 11-10 p1 Jennie Candlish A O'keeffe 154 66/1 4 216-142 Dynaste (FR) 47 6 11-10 t1 D Pipe T Scudamore 161 14/1 5 6-92226 Five Dream (FR) 47 8 11-10 P F Nicholls Ryan Mahon 151 66/1 6 1F0-114 King Of The Night (GER) 117 8 11-10 P F Nicholls D A Jacob 157 100/1 7 831112 Mikael D'haguenet (FR) 25 8 11-10 W P Mullins 152 25/1 8 242231 Mourad (IRE) 25 7 11-10 W P Mullins 154 16/1 9 31-F111 Oscar Whisky (IRE) 34 7 11-10 N J Henderson B J Geraghty 167 4/1 10 1310-12 Smad Place (FR) 26 5 11-10 A King R Thornton 157 33/1 11 13-6111 So Young (FR) 60 6 11-10 W P Mullins 157 16/1 12 221123 Thousand Stars (FR) 46 8 11-10 W P Mullins 163 8/1 13 141112 Voler La Vedette (IRE) 49 8 11-3 t C A Murphy A E Lynch 154 16/1 |
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could had won the champion.
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Big Bucks bomb proof.
Oscar was a little free for the first 4 furlongs. No chance. Big Bucks has so much pace at in the last 4 furlongs he kills them/ |
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could had won the champion
indeed go back to his season debut, he looked half fit, gave overturn 8lbs and was neck and neck when he got tired and fell at the last  |
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I said on another thread long ago he should went for Champion. This now surely fact.
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After Grandouet and Spirit Son got injured they should obviously now have gone for the Champion - hindight is a wonderful thing isn't it.
I expect he will stay over hurdles now for the rest of his career (too late to go chasing imo) - so given how poor this years 2m novices look he could be a major player in next years Champion so if there are any fancy prices floating about I might have a tickle. |
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yep back to 2m,2 and half.
Was always as simple as would he stay,he did'nt,thats that really. |
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3 years in a row where the horse has been soundly beaten at the festival, a good horse...but simply not good enough to win a championship race at cheltenham over any distance,will always find at least one too good for him
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umm,think if there were a race at 2 and half he would take some beating,but yer right as it stands now probably.
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