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Aintree Result
09 Apr 2011
« 2:50 » JOHN SMITH'S AINTREE HURDLE GRADE 1
(Class 1) (4yo+) 2m4f Good 11 hdles
£90,432.00, £34,096.00, £17,040.00, £8,512.00, £4,272.00, £2,128.00, £1,072.00
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HORSE/SP AGE WGT TRAINER/JOCKEY OR TS RPR RATED
« 1 Oscar Whisky (IRE) 6/1 6 11-7 Nicky Henderson 165 141 165 »
Barry Geraghty
Chased leader, led 7th, stayed on strongly from 3 out, 3 lengths ahead last, just held on
« 2 nk Thousand Stars (FR) 16/1 7 11-7 W P Mullins 163 141 165 »
Ms K Walsh
Took keen hold towards rear, headway approaching 3 out, went 2nd last, stayed on well, just held near finish (op 14-1)
« 3 10 Salden Licht 25/1 7 11-7 Alan King 156 131 157
Robert Thornton
Chased leaders, hit 1st, went 2nd approaching 3 out, kept on same pace approaching last
« 4 2½ Binocular (FR) 7/4 7 11-7 Nicky Henderson 171 129 156 »
A P McCoy
Held up in touch, effort approaching 2 out, kept on same pace approaching last (op 15-8 tchd 2-1 in places)
« 5 hd Oscar Dan Dan (IRE) 40/1 9 11-7 Thomas Mullins 151 129 155 »
P Carberry
Held up in last, mistake 5th, headway approaching 3 out, soon well outpaced, stayed on approaching last, kept on well towards finish (tchd 33-1)
« 6 2¾ Ronaldo Des Mottes (FR) 50/1 6 11-7 David Pipe 149 126 152
Timmy Murphy
Held up, steady headway 8th, chasing leaders next, weakened and jumped left last
« 7 7 Peddlers Cross (IRE) 11/8F 6 11-7 Donald McCain 170 119 148 »
Jason Maguire
Tracked leaders, effort approaching 3 out, 5th when hit last, soon weakened (op 13-8 tchd 7-4)
« 8 3 Celestial Halo (IRE) 8/1 7 11-7 tb Paul Nicholls 162 116 144 »
R Walsh
Led to 7th, not fluent next, soon ridden, lost place 3 out, soon behind (op 9-1 tchd 15-2)
8 ran TIME 4m 45.30s (slow by 2.30s) Total SP 118%
1st OWNER: Walters Plant Hire Ltd BRED: Stephanie Hanly TRAINER: Nicky Henderson
2nd OWNER: Hammer & Trowel Syndicate
3rd OWNER: Dai Griffiths
TOTE toteswingers:1&2:£8.80, 1&3:£11.60, 2&3:£14.80 WIN £6.40 PL £1.70, £1.60, £5.10; Ex £61.30; CSF £83.51; TRICAST £2230.95 TRIFECTA £1004.10 Pool: £11,280.84 - 8.31 winning units.
ANALYSISNOTEBOOKMY RACE NOTES
Khyber Kim´s success in this Grade 1 last season ended a run of five successive wins for Irish-trained runners, although three of those wins had been gained by Al Eile. This year´s line-up looked stronger than last year´s though, with the 2010 champion hurdler taking on the runner-up, third and fourth in this year´s running of that race. The pace was sound with the time being nearly 7secs faster than the opening novice hurdle, but it produced something of a surprise result, with both the market leaders running below par.
OSCAR WHISKY, a progressive sort who finished third in the Champion Hurdle when today´sfavourite was second, was likely to appreciate the return to a flatter track and longer trip and was given a positive ride by Barry Geraghty, who was completing a hat-trick on the afternoon. After tracking the leader, he went to the front five out and set sail for home at the third-last. He soon opened up an advantage and battled on well to hold off the strong-finishing winner. He will stick tohurdles next season when he will either be aimed at the Champion Hurdle again or step up in trip for the World Hurdle.
Thousand Stars had been running well behind stable companion Hurricane Fly in Ireland and finished a good fourth behind that gelding in the Champion Hurdle, two lengths behind today´s winner. Already a winner over 2m3f on good ground, he was held up off the pace and was quite keen early, but came out of the pack and, under an inspired ride, very nearly wore down the winner. He will probably go to Punchestown next.
This aintree form is nowhere near good enough to take on the mighty BIG BUCKS at cheltenham - The ultimate staying machine
I'd compare it to HATTON v MAYWEATHER
09 Apr 2011
« 2:50 » JOHN SMITH'S AINTREE HURDLE GRADE 1
(Class 1) (4yo+) 2m4f Good 11 hdles
£90,432.00, £34,096.00, £17,040.00, £8,512.00, £4,272.00, £2,128.00, £1,072.00
WATCH RACE - 20p
RESULTRATE RACE
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HORSE/SP AGE WGT TRAINER/JOCKEY OR TS RPR RATED
« 1 Oscar Whisky (IRE) 6/1 6 11-7 Nicky Henderson 165 141 165 »
Barry Geraghty
Chased leader, led 7th, stayed on strongly from 3 out, 3 lengths ahead last, just held on
« 2 nk Thousand Stars (FR) 16/1 7 11-7 W P Mullins 163 141 165 »
Ms K Walsh
Took keen hold towards rear, headway approaching 3 out, went 2nd last, stayed on well, just held near finish (op 14-1)
« 3 10 Salden Licht 25/1 7 11-7 Alan King 156 131 157
Robert Thornton
Chased leaders, hit 1st, went 2nd approaching 3 out, kept on same pace approaching last
« 4 2½ Binocular (FR) 7/4 7 11-7 Nicky Henderson 171 129 156 »
A P McCoy
Held up in touch, effort approaching 2 out, kept on same pace approaching last (op 15-8 tchd 2-1 in places)
« 5 hd Oscar Dan Dan (IRE) 40/1 9 11-7 Thomas Mullins 151 129 155 »
P Carberry
Held up in last, mistake 5th, headway approaching 3 out, soon well outpaced, stayed on approaching last, kept on well towards finish (tchd 33-1)
« 6 2¾ Ronaldo Des Mottes (FR) 50/1 6 11-7 David Pipe 149 126 152
Timmy Murphy
Held up, steady headway 8th, chasing leaders next, weakened and jumped left last
« 7 7 Peddlers Cross (IRE) 11/8F 6 11-7 Donald McCain 170 119 148 »
Jason Maguire
Tracked leaders, effort approaching 3 out, 5th when hit last, soon weakened (op 13-8 tchd 7-4)
« 8 3 Celestial Halo (IRE) 8/1 7 11-7 tb Paul Nicholls 162 116 144 »
R Walsh
Led to 7th, not fluent next, soon ridden, lost place 3 out, soon behind (op 9-1 tchd 15-2)
8 ran TIME 4m 45.30s (slow by 2.30s) Total SP 118%
1st OWNER: Walters Plant Hire Ltd BRED: Stephanie Hanly TRAINER: Nicky Henderson
2nd OWNER: Hammer & Trowel Syndicate
3rd OWNER: Dai Griffiths
TOTE toteswingers:1&2:£8.80, 1&3:£11.60, 2&3:£14.80 WIN £6.40 PL £1.70, £1.60, £5.10; Ex £61.30; CSF £83.51; TRICAST £2230.95 TRIFECTA £1004.10 Pool: £11,280.84 - 8.31 winning units.
ANALYSISNOTEBOOKMY RACE NOTES
Khyber Kim´s success in this Grade 1 last season ended a run of five successive wins for Irish-trained runners, although three of those wins had been gained by Al Eile. This year´s line-up looked stronger than last year´s though, with the 2010 champion hurdler taking on the runner-up, third and fourth in this year´s running of that race. The pace was sound with the time being nearly 7secs faster than the opening novice hurdle, but it produced something of a surprise result, with both the market leaders running below par.
OSCAR WHISKY, a progressive sort who finished third in the Champion Hurdle when today´sfavourite was second, was likely to appreciate the return to a flatter track and longer trip and was given a positive ride by Barry Geraghty, who was completing a hat-trick on the afternoon. After tracking the leader, he went to the front five out and set sail for home at the third-last. He soon opened up an advantage and battled on well to hold off the strong-finishing winner. He will stick tohurdles next season when he will either be aimed at the Champion Hurdle again or step up in trip for the World Hurdle.
Thousand Stars had been running well behind stable companion Hurricane Fly in Ireland and finished a good fourth behind that gelding in the Champion Hurdle, two lengths behind today´s winner. Already a winner over 2m3f on good ground, he was held up off the pace and was quite keen early, but came out of the pack and, under an inspired ride, very nearly wore down the winner. He will probably go to Punchestown next.
This aintree form is nowhere near good enough to take on the mighty BIG BUCKS at cheltenham - The ultimate staying machine
I'd compare it to HATTON v MAYWEATHER
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Still baffles me how some people think he can win a world hurdle, then making out he is best horse that BB has met.
That may well be true in some views, OW wont be at his best over 3 miles. |
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The difference between the pair is 7lb. The way Oscar Whiskey was ridden at Aintree was energy sapping. Sent for home 5 out and quickening and stretching all the time. In the World Hurdle there needs to be some pace from somewhere because OW will run too free. PFN has already said Big Bucks could even make the running if there is no pace.
Oscar Whiskey is by a sire who breeds 3 milers for fun. He only has to go another 3 furlongs from what he has done. The ground will be good and he has more pace than BB previous rivals. |
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Not much stamina on its dam's side .
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Sonko
Who would have though Big Bucks would win the World Hurdle after his Hennessy fall. Oacar Whiskey is class act. Who knows what will happen. |
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Nothing in his pedigree suggests he will stay 3m.
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Oscar? being his sire and you say nothing!! what?
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Staying well over 21f at Chelts. Nothing suggests he wont stay 3 miles.
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Stamina is inherited from the dam's side .
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Relax guys....we ll all find out at the last on Thursday and not before.
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Oscar horses like Big Zeb? And as ZEALOT says, nothing on the dam side to suggest anything more than 2m.
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Thats a myth Zealot. Plenty of grey areas regarding that fact.
Stamina can come from both sides. Do you think speed always comes from the sire? |
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he might have stayed 3m in that race he won - but against BIG BUCKS it is a totally different challenge .
If Ruby thinks there is not enough pace on , he will inject some and make it a true test . I think people believe OW will be travelling like he was at the end of the 21f race he won , with 3f to go in the world hurdle . BIG BUCKS wins OH SO EASY . |
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Oscar horse like last years Grand National 2nd
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I like OW and backed him plenty of times; including e/w in last years CH. Honestly don't see him even placed this year.
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Big Bucks never wins easy in this race. Look at the 150 horses that could still be seen in the same picture.
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Well , its all about opinions but i thought the wins against PUNCH/ RUPERT and GRAND CRUS were all decisive and he could have pulled out even more if asked .
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Cross Kennon 4th last season tells you a story?
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Very true Zealot he always does enough and then saves some more. Big Bucks is lazy at home and lazy on the course. He is a bit weird the way he runs, like he cant be bothered until he say `oh go on then` and stretches on.. the horse is a legend..
But Oscar Whiskey rated 167 is his biggest threat, if he stays of course. Time For Rupert - needed soft ground. Didnt get it. Punchestown - beaten fair and square. Grand Crus - needed soft ground. Oscar Whiskey will have his ground. Big chance imo. |
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i think oscar whiskey would be running in the champion hurdle if he had any other trainer. he ran a tremendous race last year and could go close again imo. it's only the fact hendo at one stage had 4 great horses in contention (binocular, spirit son, grandouet) that they decided to train him for the world hurdle
there's got to be better 4/1 shots next week who: a) aren't facing a horse on a 15 race unbeaten streak b) don't have a massive question mark about the trip hanging over them i seriously like the horse, but if i miss out on backing oscar whiskey to win this race, i'll get over it |
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Spot on Tucho.
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Oscar Whiskey would be just another horse in the Champion hurdle and as NH has realised the horse has relished being stepped up in trip. Only 1 horse to beat in the stayers and the fact that NH and Dai Walters are taking on BB suggests to me they think he will stay.
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the stamina of OW hasn't even been tested over 2m 5f this year. he won a 4 runner race at chelt agains inferior horses.
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It was tested twice before then though. The first being an eased down 7L beating of Any Given Day. A horse beaten 8L by Big Bucks in last years World Hurdle.
He has won 3 times over 25f all at Chelts. |
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big bucks biggest threat comes from thousand stars.
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Little bit leftfield but the horse unproven over the distance that is best equipped to stay the trip is Smad Place IMO. Has a lot of improvement in him and has shown an awful lot since his reappearance.
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25f?? i think you mean 2m 5f. if you remember who finished 2nd to him in those races - cape tribulation get me out of here and poungath (i know i spelt the nicolls horse wrong). cape and the nicolls horse would have to start now to even get placed in the world hurdle and GMOOH doesn't stay the trip and he still looked like he was going to get to OW until he started hanging. OW will be gasping for air on the long run to the last and BB will just be getting warmed up. BB has a bit of pace aswell. last year at the Aintree meeting people thought grand crus would have a better chance of beating him because of the sharper track and he ended up beating him even easier. this horse is a machine and he will prove it again on the 15th.
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Cape Tribulation? were you got this from
 You mean Any Given Day - look at my previous post  Yes i meant 2m5f. |
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Giggsy
Were have you got Cape Tribulation with any form against Oscar Whiskey.  |
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sorry lads it was Zaynar that beat cape tribulation. the point i am making is that whenever he won these races they were against horses that were not able to test his stamina fully. OW is a good horse but will he still have that 2m speed at the end of 3m. its a hell of a long way from the 2nd last to the last and the last thing BB will be doing is stopping. should be interesting.
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Giggsy - you are forgiven but regarding none of those horses testing out OW stamina ANY GIVEN DAY has had a couple of cracks but failed, yet he gets within 8L of Big Bucks.
Will be interesting plus it will be a steadily run race next week. |
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it's only the fact hendo at one stage had 4 great horses in contention (binocular, spirit son, grandouet) that they decided to train him for the world hurdle
Tucho They were seriously thinking about the WH last April mate,this werent a reaction during the season.I was told that at the open day at Easter. The OP says doubtful stayer? well to us he has to be,weve never seen him go further than 2m 5.But connections seem confident,lets hope they are right. We can discusss till we are blue in the face but we wont know till next week.What i do know is that IF he does stay 3m then we are in for a great race.I really hope he does,for my pocket and for the race itself. Come on Oscar!! |
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why have they not tried OW over 3 miles before cheltenham ??
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Well i think they must be confident he will stay,and running him over 3m would not make him stay any better on Thursday,he either will or wont.
It would tell US more,but they have to train him how they think he should be trained,and they would want him as fresh as possible. |
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You sound like you are trying to convince yourself
I would think running him over 3 miles prior to cheltenham would at least teach him to settle over this new trip. Thou its probably down to the owner wanting to win the welsh champion hurdle. Still trying to remember if a horse has won the world hurdle without ever running over the trip or anywhere near it ?? |
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Sonko
He has won an easy 30K from the two Cheltenham races this season over 2m5f. The only race they avoided was the Cleve hurdle, and why get in a battle with Big Bucks so early when you can mop up 30k? without emptying the horse. |
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Sonko
Still trying to remember if a horse has won the world hurdle without ever running over the trip or anywhere near it ?? Short memory Sonko Ingles Drever won twice over 21 f before beating Baracouda. Oscar Whiskey has won 3 times over 21 f. |
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Sonko,
ypu asked me a question,i answered it best i could without knowing the answer. Not trying to convince myself ar anyone else,its simple,he either stays or dont,i dont know,none of us do. |
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was that straight after a novice season AG ??
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novice season?
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