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SILVINIACO-CONTI
09 Mar 12 21:46
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I have heard that Prospect Wells (who traded at 1.01 vs Steps to Freedom- losing by only a neck with 2nd string jockey Jacob on board) is better than ever after his breathing operation. That Cheltenham form was his warm-up. Nicholls has a tendency of diagnosing horse problems and getting them as good as ever (look at Kauto Star). Prospect Wells is not finished: he has 1st string and possibly best jockey around in Ruby on board- who has won this race twice in recent years; the horse essentially has C&D form at 1.01 earlier in season; and the owners won this with Arcalis not too long ago. I understand that the Wylie owners sent TWO CLASS HORSES away from Howard Johnson- one to Willie Mullins in Boston Bob and Prospect Wells to Nicholls. The former is clear FAV in another race. Prospect Wells hasn't fallen so you know it jumps unlike some in this race and the horse would not be there with Ruby on board if they didn't believe in it. WATCH THIS SPACE... IF NOT FOR WIN, THIS WILL TRADE BELOW 4.0 IN RUNNING. Al Ferof surprised many last year and once again, the champion trainer and class jockey are overpriced.
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Report Ibrahima Sonko March 9, 2012 9:54 PM GMT
Ruby wont be riding it.
Report SILVINIACO-CONTI March 9, 2012 10:00 PM GMT
He won't be riding for Gigginstown (both Mullins) so who will he ride for then? He has never rode for Gigginstown at Cheltenham.
Report SILVINIACO-CONTI March 9, 2012 10:04 PM GMT
Apologies only one Gigginstown is Mullins- Midnight Game. My point is Ruby has not been on that. The other Mullins horse Allure of Illusion is too long odds and unfancied.
Report SILVINIACO-CONTI March 9, 2012 10:06 PM GMT
Obviously Mullins has more entered than 2 but surely Ruby won't be on anything that long! Taking Prospect Wells in the Tolworth at Sandown suggests Nicholls and the owners were trying to bond horse and jockey for the Supreme.
Report Ibrahima Sonko March 9, 2012 10:08 PM GMT
Im not sure of the riding orders in regard to gigginstown but Mullins has not trained many for them before.....
Report SILVINIACO-CONTI March 9, 2012 10:09 PM GMT
Good point Sonko. :)
Report PedroPete12 March 9, 2012 10:15 PM GMT
if Ruby has a choice of PW, Midnight Game or Allure of Illusion who does he pick? I would struggle myself!!!
Report Ibrahima Sonko March 9, 2012 10:17 PM GMT
I would think he will be on midnight game....
Report SILVINIACO-CONTI March 9, 2012 10:24 PM GMT
Yes it would seem Midnight Game would be the option, but I just struggle to see how a jockey who has never been on a particular horse would ride out first race on it. Then there is the Gigginstown / Davy Russell factor, and the fact Mullins has said on **** preview that Midnight Game is not doing too well at home.
Prospect Wells went off FAV vs Colour Squadron in Grade 1 at Sandown on his last race, a race Nicholls farms, and Ruby returned saying horse breathing was wrong on the first bend. They believe in 2nd chances, like Kauto, so they'll give this a go with Ruby.
Report turnip turns March 9, 2012 10:37 PM GMT
Already on @30,got a big chance imo and well over priced,but needs a b@lls of steel ride,gotta be held up until the last moment,would advise any one to forget about its last run,cannot wait.Cool
Report zilzal1 March 9, 2012 10:38 PM GMT
Already backed, along with TetlamiCool
Report turnip turns March 9, 2012 10:43 PM GMT
zil knowsCool
Report Tavaris Jackson March 9, 2012 11:03 PM GMT
Owner retained rider surely takes precedence over trainer retained rider.
McCoy wouldn't be jocked off one of JP's that was trained by Nicholls or Mullins, hard to see Ruby getting to ride  Midnight Game, should be free to ride this one.

Not backed this fella since he flopped in the Niel, considering it though.
Report BJG March 9, 2012 11:06 PM GMT
If Davy Russell chooses Trifolium which there is every chance he could do - Ruby will surely be on Midnight Game Confused
Report Tavaris Jackson March 9, 2012 11:07 PM GMT
Hadn't considered that possibility!
Report turnip turns March 9, 2012 11:17 PM GMT
if midnight game runsMischief
Report Denmanism March 10, 2012 12:24 AM GMT
So Ruby's going to jump on one,that Davy's turned down cos he's poorly(or he would deffo be on),instead of PW who's had an operation,that improved a Nicholls Cheltenham winner last season.
I'm not so sure?
Report turnip turns March 10, 2012 12:49 PM GMT
My only worry with PW is that Nichols decides to run him in the County hurdle,where he does look very well in imo.Plain
Report zilzal1 March 10, 2012 12:55 PM GMT
Thatw as my thought as well TT, which is why i didnt back him on here!!!
Report turnip turns March 10, 2012 12:59 PM GMT
That's why you are shrewder than me ZilSad
Report Denmanism March 10, 2012 5:24 PM GMT
This has been the PW plan for sometime,though I appreciate he could shaft punters like DMc,it's not normally his style.
Report patsyone March 10, 2012 6:38 PM GMT
well known celebrity who would know tipped him up for CORAL CUP at a recent FORUM in Ireland
does seem well in on balance of form both flat and jumping
the other thing I feel he will be much better served by really good ground which he will get next week
take the 16/1 NRNB for Coral Cup
Report turnip turns March 10, 2012 7:11 PM GMT
Not in the Coral cupCrazy
Report OnTheSnaff March 10, 2012 8:18 PM GMT
Hopefully Ruby rides Midnight Game Cool
Report tony2914 March 11, 2012 3:23 PM GMT
anyone any update on target, last time i looked on exchanges still looks like 50/50 call between and supreme and county. got pw in alot of each multiples so need it in the supreme.
Report fivebagken March 11, 2012 3:54 PM GMT
This is from the 29th Feb, sounds like Supreme was the target at least at that stage -

Wylie's only other major Festival contender is the Paul Nicholls-trained Prospect Wells, who will line up in the opening Supreme Novices' Hurdle.
Although disappointing in the Tolworth Hurdle on his latest appearance, his owner hopes a subsequent breathing operation can see him bounce back to form.
"I've spoken to Paul and he tells me Prospect Wells has had the breathing operation and seems to be back in good form. He'll be fit and ready for the Supreme and I think we can put a line through his last run as that is when the breathing issue came to light," Wylie added.
"We thought it might just be because it had come too soon after his run in the Ladbroke, but Ruby (Walsh) said he could feel there was a problem before the first turn. Hopefully that is behind him now and he can run well at Cheltenham."
Report Denmanism March 11, 2012 4:01 PM GMT
guess the sp,with Ruby on board?
Report fivebagken March 11, 2012 5:12 PM GMT
Wouldn't like to guess as I don't think he will be on board, but I'm keen on this one regardless. The 4th in the Ladbroke was no disgrace, didn't get the strong pace he needs and gave him good experience of hurdling in big fields. Chalk off the Tolworth run as something was wrong and has since had a wind op.

I know he won't be one for the trends boys given the two 4's next to his name, but I think in a Supreme which is difficult to pick apart he looks worth taking at the price.
Report BornToWin March 11, 2012 5:25 PM GMT
This is my dart in the opener. Wasn't going to bother after Waaheb killed several of my dreams, but as stated above he didn't get the strong pace in the Ladbroke and if you watch he is finishing faster than anything in that race. Certain to get a strong pace here and I find it easy to ignore his last run.

20/1, deal.
Report woodworm March 11, 2012 5:32 PM GMT
I put this horse in an acca way back when it beat All The Aces at Newbury. Had more or less given up on the bet until recently. The ground has come right and the vibes are there again. I think Ruby will ride as DRussell bound to opt for Midnight Game imo. Good value at 20-1 (not so good at the 10's I secured :()
Report Ibrahima Sonko March 12, 2012 10:49 AM GMT
Ruby is on PW, what a mug Cry
Report turnip turns March 12, 2012 11:15 AM GMT
Cool he knows
Report Ibrahima Sonko March 12, 2012 11:22 AM GMT
Does look like PW has an awful lot in its favour tomorrow.
Report turnip turns March 12, 2012 11:28 AM GMT
Ibra,backed it because the price was all wrong at the time,forget about its last run,wasn't right,its form prior to that  puts him bang there,glWink
Report Glossy March 12, 2012 11:32 AM GMT
Think Nicholls might have made an error here. Horse would have carried only 10-8 in the County Hurdle and would have had a very live chance - seems crazy not to take advantage of that. Can't have it getting anyway in the Supreme but will happily eat my words if he does!
Report turnip turns March 12, 2012 11:40 AM GMT
Did think he might go to the County tbh Glossy,still might yet,you never knowMischief all about opinions innit,good luckWink
Report Senor El Betrutti March 12, 2012 11:45 AM GMT
Glossy he probably wouldn't have had 10-8 in the county Brampour  was top weight and he goes for the champion so the weights would go up 6lbs at least and if GMOOH runs in the coral cup the weights would have gone up 11lbs. Which would mean he had a lot of weight for a novice to carry in the county.
Report Ramruma March 12, 2012 12:11 PM GMT
I'm on PW since last year but I'm no longer sure.

The Post reads something into Walsh picking him over the Mullins trio but since Davy Russell has the retainer for Midnight Game, that means nothing.

Of course we must disregard PW's last run, since when he has had a wind op, but is there not a school of thought that it is a horse's second run back that it counts, because on the first run back the horse still expects to choke so holds back a bit?

What are the vibes from Ditcheat? It is the most open yard in the country, and Ruby and Nicholls have been clocking up the air miles in Cheltenham Previews, so where is the buzz?

I'd like to see my bet landed but I won't be pressing up.
Report buddeliea March 12, 2012 12:14 PM GMT
it means something when Russell chooses Trifolium.

dont look good for backers of Midnight game
Report Ramruma March 12, 2012 12:14 PM GMT
@ me ^^^ -- just noticed Davy Russell has also blanked Midnight Game for Trifolium but the point stands.
Report SILVINIACO-CONTI March 12, 2012 12:18 PM GMT
When I posted this thread on here Prospect Wells was 30/1 on betfair... now he is 19/1. Hopefully some of you agreed with my optimism and can now hedge your bets. If not, there's still time and given Ruby's style, he will shorten in running.
Report buddeliea March 12, 2012 12:18 PM GMT
what point?
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