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07 Mar 12 22:54
Date Joined: 09 Jun 10
| Topic/replies: 8 | Blogger: EnasGreenHat's blog
Anyone else feel this improver is flying under the radar & offers a bit of Gold Cup value?
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Report Glossy March 7, 2012 11:07 PM GMT
Will be ground dependent I'd have thought. If we get a reasonable amount of rain its chances increase dramatically IMO. Stays all day but not sure it has the speed to live with the other primaries here.
Report magic carpet March 7, 2012 11:21 PM GMT
I think he is being totally underestimated.To carry big weights in long distance handicaps is no small achievement and he is unexposed in graded races.He has actually had very few runs on ground better than soft but he went on it rather well when beating a grade one field by over 8 lengths on his latest start!
People will point out he has improvement to make but in an open year why couldn't he have a realistic chance of featuring?
Report jimq March 8, 2012 11:45 AM GMT
I agree with you. I think he has a great chance in a very open year as he stays all day and with question marks over top two in betting why not. McCoy should have him handy throughout like in Ireland the last day and he"ll have a great chance of outstaying them all
Report buddeliea March 8, 2012 12:37 PM GMT
think his chances hinge on Kauto.
if Kauto runs i expect Synch and the others bar probably LR to be left behind when he quickens.
no Kauto its up for grabs and hes one that could benefit.
Report thieveslikeus March 8, 2012 1:31 PM GMT
It has crossed my mind  - what if he was a 3 mile good ground horse all along and was just able to do so well in long distance races on soft ground because he was hugely well handicapped?
Report EnasGreenHat March 8, 2012 10:33 PM GMT
Perhaps an 8l win LTO was no great deal as race turned out to be full of non stayers but I'm leaning towards view that Synchronised also surprised connections as well as bursting a few bubbles.  A strong showing in the Ryanair by the Irish 2m5f chasers will be my green light, along with ground no quicker than good, for a good old e/w punt. Have a suspicion Pricewise will go this way after LTO tipping success & expect Synchronised to go off in single figures. Should Grand Cru's go RSA route given Synchronised connections price will half.
And should Grand Cru's go Gold Cup perversely he may well force such a pace that Long Run & Kauto's make their fencing errors. 9/1 Synchronised without Kautos & Long Run is my idea of a value bet.
Report OnTheSnaff March 8, 2012 10:35 PM GMT
if he wins a Gold Cup we should all pack the game in
Report Glossy March 8, 2012 10:37 PM GMT
Not so sure about that OTS. Think we've been a bit spoiled in the Kauto/Denman era.
Report Eeternaloptimist March 8, 2012 10:50 PM GMT
We are now in the Long Run era.
Report EnasGreenHat March 8, 2012 10:51 PM GMT
Not missed a Gold Cup since 1986 & recall stayers not speedsters win more than not. Great thing is it is all about opinions so respect due to ONS. Just feel Synchronised has a good e/w chance & 9/1 without big 2 is a decent bet. Grand Cru's the danger.
Report Glossy March 8, 2012 10:53 PM GMT
Long Run era? pah.

Overrated. Like I say, we've been spoiled into thinking it's a regular thing to be able to attain multiple Gold Cup wins. Kauto and Denman are 2 horses of a lifetime.
Report Flimsy Truth March 8, 2012 10:55 PM GMT
and Best Mate, but before that it was more of a lottery
Report Glossy March 8, 2012 10:56 PM GMT
Good call FT; should have mentioned Matey too.
Report thieveslikeus March 8, 2012 10:56 PM GMT
Even Denman didn't manage multiple wins.  Certainly a golden era with those 2 plus Imperial Commander.  Long Run just a regular gold cup winner imo whether he wins more than 1 or not.
Report Glossy March 8, 2012 10:57 PM GMT
Yes, thieves. Wasn't suggesting that he was a multiple winner just that he could have been but for another 'horse of a lifetime' whose peak happened to coincide with his own.
Report Glossy March 8, 2012 11:01 PM GMT
My point being that this school of thought (and I've heard it a bit recently) that if anything but the primaries win, it's something of a disaster, is a load of rubbish TBH.
Report thieveslikeus March 8, 2012 11:18 PM GMT
I didn't mean you were.  I was agreeing with you and adding to it.  Denman was done by KS once and by IC once, 3 big talents, amazing era.  Back to normal now.
Report Glossy March 8, 2012 11:27 PM GMT
It is indeed. It was nice but racing isn't worse off IMO. Like you say; just back to normal.
Report Eeternaloptimist March 8, 2012 11:37 PM GMT
Obviously I don't agree. Leaving aside the fact that those 3 greats were beaten off last year we have a King George win leaving good horses in the dust like the currently 168 rated Riverside Theatre by 12 lengths and Nacarat who has just smashed the opposition in a traditionally competitive handicap also beaten off way over 20 lengths behind. Same in the Gold Cup. This years first and second in the Argento left way behind in the race.
Report buddeliea March 9, 2012 7:42 AM GMT
hes lost his last 2 races,hardly the LR era.
Report buddeliea March 9, 2012 7:43 AM GMT
oops,he won lto,but you get my drift.
Report duncan idaho March 9, 2012 7:44 AM GMT
why has Synchronised been so friendless in the National betting? Out from 23 to 50 in last few weeks. Have i missed Jonjo saying something? Dont think he's a National type myself but just seemed a bit odd.
Report EnasGreenHat March 17, 2012 10:05 AM GMT
Nice to call it so right. 9/1 w/out Kauto & Long Run was indeed massive (also  found some 14/1 ! & Pricewise indeed came in to shovel coals on the fire. Was on course & immediately felt this was one of the all time great Gold Cup winning rides I've seen ( seen them all back to back since 1986). That impression confirmed this morning when I rewatched the race. Top job Tony McC.
Report buddeliea March 17, 2012 11:22 AM GMT
I thought his race would hinge on Kauto Star,and Kauto being pulled up early helped him imo.
Kauto was the one horse in the race that could have stretched them out on the 2nd circuit,and the fact he werent there then made the race pan out as it did.
Thats my thoughts on the race and why we had a strange result.
Report thieveslikeus March 17, 2012 11:41 AM GMT
It wasn't a "strange" result.  A 9yo (normal age range) with just 8 chase starts(normal range for number of starts) who won a recognised trial last time out with an RPR of over 170 is an almost perfect profile for  a Gold Cup winner.  Kauto Star regaining his crown in 2009 was a "strange" result, this wasn't...
Report buddeliea March 17, 2012 11:45 AM GMT

Giant bolster 2nd beating Long Run,Time for Rupert leading till near the finish after the season hes had, and Synchronised winning??
All a bit strange to me.
Report thieveslikeus March 17, 2012 11:56 AM GMT
Just answered the Giant Bolster in another thread.  Time For Rupert has run well at the course before, no surprise really that he can run to a mark in the 160s given he was well clear of the 3rd when 2nd in the World Hurdle.
Report buddeliea March 17, 2012 12:01 PM GMT
thats my thoughts anyway.
Report EnasGreenHat March 17, 2012 1:28 PM GMT
Without risking aftertimer criticism, GC confirmed my suspicion that Long Run may already have peaked, like several other precocious French imports, hit a very high standard early but struggle to sustain it. Seemed very one paced contrasted to a year ago - perhaps something physical will come to light? Fact that LR could not beat a 12 yo Kauto Star twice this season had him as a vulnerable favourite in my book. And Kauto injury / stable form raised doubts re his well being, not reflected in his price, which was all about sentiment. Grand Cru's connections ran scared of big 2 & went for "easier" pot - probably the right call in any event for the novice. Agree the fact KS did not stretch pace on mid way helped Synchronised stay in touch. When pace tap fully turned on coming down hill McCoy switched to outside but was left so went for rails & shortest route home. Switched off rails as Synchronised began to run on & outstayed them to the line. Watch his last 2 jumps under pressure. Outstanding from Horse & jockey.
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