Calling the person who keeps backing Peddlers Cross on here in the Jewson

Give the old boy a carrot from Pipey and ask him to visit Prince de Beauchene in his sleep and give him a few word of advice for getting round Aintree. Let's face it if he jumps round well he wins :)

What are your liabilities on him? Connections revealing their hand on the Jewson today after taking your money.

They Knew

Maybe Martin pipe returns can confirm how much they got on with him and at what average price so we can see how serious they are about the Jewson?

Have a look at the graph Eric... just under 2k bet on the horse in total.

Hope mpr didnt lay any of the 110 and 120!

There's no such thing as free money. It would be good to know how recently mpr laid the bets and to how much and what price they went to, to see the strength of their convictions on the Jewson.

Seems suddenly uneasy in the Arkle market too (probably on the back of this thread though!)

See news item on Sporting Life site. Doesn't give confidence if you have backed for Arkle or Jewson.

Yes the vibes from D McC are not great are they.  I was concerned earlier today when I heard he was considering a racecourse gallop after racing at Bangor as that suggested he thought there was a problem (resumably fitness wise). Odd though that he is considering running in the Jewson - if the horse won't be ready to do itself justice in the Arkle why run in the Jewson !!!

Connections have never ducked a challenge with this one so it would be hard to believe he would take the easy option in the Jewson. Let's Just hope the horse is OK.

The Jewson trip will suit better.

He has been talking up the clash with SS though for months so why decide 13 days before the race the trip might not suite.  As DD says the McCain stable are not usualy ones to shirk a challenge.  All very odd !

in his own words;   "The Arkle is Plan A" 

all he is said is which of the other 3 entries is plan B, no big deal unless you really want to make it one?

Choosing what is best for the horse over bravado is not shirking it is exactly the opposite imo.

*has said

Grade 1 horses should be running in Grade 1 races, not some Mickey Mouse event like the Jewson

I don't think the issue is the trip. It seems to me that he thinks he won't be confident about Peddlars being 100% for Cheltenham and Jewson would be easier target.

Sounds like he isnt spot on reading between the lines.

Not a worry that he says he hardly schooled the horse and it hasn't jumped a fince since December?

Definitely a worry. I couldn't have him at the price anyway, but after what McCain's said I wouldn't back him at twice his current price.

You lot must have had cloth in your ears for the last 3 months as the Jewson was mentioned after the Kempton run.

And as Thieves says, nothing to be made from it, unless you want to.

The Jewson is run 2 days later. If his prep is nip and tuck, 48 hours can make a lot of difference.

"it's been a longish road back. He had his issues after Kempton and I think it's only fair to the horse to keep our options open and we'll see how he is over the next 10 days before we decide"

If that make you as confident as you were yesterday, good luck to you.

Good luck to you if you're prepared to back a horse in a championship race where 48 h of prep will make any difference.

I've not backed him at all stront, just trying to rationalise McCain's public meanderings.

Good luck with that 'n' all

I have at 7\1 and am gutted!! between the lines its screaming no chance!

3/1 favourite for the Jewson now with the Magic Sign. Mind you, AF is only 5/1 with them!

Laddies must be going NRNB from tomorrow then

Martin pipe returns doesnt seem interested in his own thread now ... or helping people on here.

eric_morris
When: 29 Feb 12 19:23

Maybe Martin pipe returns can confirm how much they got on with him and at what average price so we can see how serious they are about the Jewson?

Morning Eric, thank you for your concern :)
I appreciate that you lost a good nights sleep worrying over Pipey's pot.
I have £325 laid at 18.25 average. Worst bit of which is £25 at 46.

I was out getting trolleyed in London when the story broke and it peed me right off. Having reflected on the situation I have come to the conclusion that it was a bit of a throwaway comment by the trainer. I have read comments from the interview but did not actually see it so I'm not sure if the Jewson comments were in response to a question about his other entries or whether DM started the subject? I'm hoping the former.

It's probably that the horse isn't quite pleasing them 100% at the moment (though previously he had been indicating quite the opposite). The press can then hang a story on something like his Jewson comment and away we go. If I was to ask him which of the alternative entries was most likely I would have expected the Jewson to be the answer. Had I said "So I see you have a kept him in the Champion Hurdle" and he had said "Yes we need to keep our options open, he was second last year you know !" then next thing he's in to 15 on here for that race :)

What I'm saying is that I am approaching this as a bit of a non story and have been laying him again last night at 7. If he's not right I think they'll give the fez a swerve. Drift in the Arkle = CORRECT. Price crash in the Jewson = WRONG. That's my opinion.

Would agree with most of what you say. Dont think they fancy him trying to outjump Sprinter Sacre, they will only know if this muscle problem will come back every time he is asked to jump very quick as in an Arkle. This could be the reason they mentioned the Jewson though I would think they will consider it if he just isnt sparking over his fences to use his engine as his most lethal weapon over a trip instead. He doesnt look a 2 miler over fences.

Jury's out for me on that one. Hopefully we'll find out in the Arkle, though I can't get that Neptune win out of my mind where he appeared outpaced at one stage before staying on. Still hopefully he has strengthened up since then and he didn't look paceless in last year's campaign. As others have said the trainer thinks this is Pegasus and won't swerve the race because of SS.

they knew

FFS.

Can he win the Jewson given his prep ?

Just rad the opening post

Jeweson bounf now according to McCain

I wouldnt be a backer at 3/1 sinty.

Nor would I Eboue. Part of me wishes he wont win either.

He can prob up the Jeweson Market nicely. Won't win imo.

Agree, poor prep needs to prove his jumping again.

Dont really get why their running him at all if he's had a problem to be honest,
and as i said the other day,nobody remembers Jewson winners,bit of a nothing race tbh

Disgusting behaviour. Backing the horse for the Jewson on here while letting everyone think he was running in the Arkle. Betfair need to get rid of him.

Hope they've done their money on this race.

Jewson only had one running OTS!

We've had a few Jewsons tbf

Only one in its current format. Its a shame they brought the race in, its helping ruin what was looking like a fantastic Arkle.

Layers have certainly scooped the Jewson lot in the Arkle.

There will be more than a few ironic cheers next Thursday if he comes up the hill in front thats a NAP

and there will be a few genuine cheers if he comes up the hill well beat.

Mpr hitting a bottle of malt as we speak on the back of this news - nap !

Quietest winner of the festival - nb, will be a lot of ironic 'jeers' if he comes up the hill in front on the 15th !

And i backed it for neither, one of the biggest bullets of this year and i actually dodged it omg !

Arkle was still Plan A lat night, must use a different alphabet. A few of us will have nasty looking Jewson books now but difficult to think that people want to back it at 3/1 after what he has said (thinks Cloudy Lane is his best chance of winner!). Then again what's the value of what he has said.

Sint i know that mate,but is doesnt have the same prestige as the Arkle does it?
it's a race for Novices who are'nt good enough for the Arkle and cant or wont stay 3 miles,
The Ryanair for Novices,No one will remember the Arkle winners in 20 years time,i'd hazard a guess and say Arkle winners will always be remembered

Have to agree with the comments on here. Couldn't back him based on what has happened, and certainly won't be cheering him home.

It looks like a top race to me. The previous winner is Noble Prince, and he's a good one. There's no point trying to taint the race because of these sort of events that transpire in the market. The fact is it is one of the top races of the festival.

You're all too cynical - It was just a coincidence that it drifted from 3/1 to 9/1 on here whilst the Arkle was plan A - What are you trying to suggest ?

all these trainers are corrupt, only in it for themselves. no one cares about the punters

RANCID.

I've loved racing since I was a boy over 40 years ago but you can't help feeling that the sheer number of strokes pulled suggest that it would be sweet justice if the whole pack of cards collapsed and some of these feckers ended up having to get real jobs instead of poncing off those they are ripping off.

I agree.....Betfair will be paying McCain for his column and Betfair makes it's money form us, the punters....so he has, in turn, profited from us and basically strung us along for a long time now...it's shameful.

He's every right to run his horse in whatever race he thinks is best but dont take money for a column which has basically misled a lot of honest enthusiastic punters a run for thier money.

Makes Jewson market better value if you dont fancy him is only positive, and hope can you given prep and comments? If coming home in front maybe only horse to be booed up hill!!!

the arkle looked the race of the festival a while back but sadly its loosing that a little now

whether you could of backed peddlers after his thrashing last time is debatable but would of liked to of seen him line up

Donald saying just yesterday that the arkle was still plan A and then the very next day switch is dreadful PR

after Paul Nicholls' carry on this weekend its been a disappointing show from the countries leading trainers

love the opening post - the fact there is a monkey next to the posters name only tickles me more

Just got back from Cheshire.
Donald now has a large placard reading "Plan A" sticking out of his 'aris.

What with this, Simonsig going for the Neptune, Fingal Bay, Spirit Son, VLV swerving the Mares and now Boston Bob looking likely to skip the Neptune, we may as well have Grands Crus going for Gold to finish me off.

********INGBOLLOX

:)

Have backed Cue Card for Arkle so this is good news in that respect.

However I actually really, really hope PC gets beaten in Jewson - the way this has been handled in the last week has been disgraceful.

Agreed re Mccain thought he was bit more honest than that,but most trainers dont give monkeys what punters think/ or losing money ante-post, without punters NO RACING!!!

"What with this, Simonsig going for the Neptune, Fingal Bay, Spirit Son, VLV swerving the Mares and now Boston Bob looking likely to skip the Neptune, we may as well have Grands Crus going for Gold to finish me off."

Erm, I hate to say this, but Grands Crus is drifting for the RSA and shortening for the Gold Cup

Chin up MPR, you called it as you saw it and backed up your opinion with cold hard cash. You just happened to call it wrong, and that happens to us all (I have backed Peddlers and Grands Crus heavily for the Arkle and RSA so I feel your pain)! In any case, you may have laid them at much bigger prices than they are now, but they haven't won yet, and it ain't over 'til the fat lady sings.

Oh, and kudos for coming back to the thread and posting - many would simply have disappeared and then come back with a triumphant "I told you so" type post 5 minutes after Peddlers gets beat in the Jewson (or stay invisible if he wins).

havent had an interest in the jewson untill now, with peddlers propping up the market gonna take him on at the price ! after all the shenanigans hope it gets turned over ! sadly they have already cleaned up . good luck mpr hope it goes your way!

imho, team Peddlars know there was not a whole lot wrong with him at Kempton and have no chance of winning the Arkle with SS in the race. Every owner wants to win at the festival and they know they may win the Jewson but can't win the Arkle. Makes sense to me, and I've bet PC for the Arkle

I think most if us would agree it presents them with the best chance of a Festival win, so is the right decision for the horse. But why not say that?

NJH was getting a lot of stick on here for his dilly dallying with Simonsig, but at least he has always been honest and said they don't know which race he will go for. Nobody can have any excuses if they backed him in the wrong race. I haven't backed PC but can see why those who have are livid with DM.

I was at the John Morris preview night. He loves McCain and the yard, loves Peddlars Cross and although he didnt say it, I suspect he was probably balls deep in Peddlars Cross for the Arkle. He looked sick. The first thing they said at the start of the night was that PC was confirmed for the Jewson.

The whole affair is sad but predictable. Another chapter in the sorry affair that is the Cheltenham run-in, yards trying to keep prices big for as long as possible, and the only way they can do it is to put the punters away. Using a column you are (presumably) paid for writing is a bit much.

There is just no logic in running in the Jewson. I remember what Alan King said when faced with same choice with My Way De Solzen. He said he'd never sleep if he won the Jewson as he could have prob been placed in the Arkle. There must me another motive for such a wimpish action, and IMO it is probably money.
It does seem odd that Ladbrokes have gone a point above all the other bookies throughout!! I have had bombs on with them at 4/1 when he was 3/1 and 100/30 everywhere else, so am  touch biased. Thought it was a free bet as seemed certain to be placed.
Also due to my faith in human nature I could not see the stable running in the Jewson so I have laid it to the maximum at 9s and 10s.
In the deep sh 1 t, but has taught me a lesson. I knew that Ginger was dodgy, but I gave Donald the benefit of the doubt until now.
Shameful.

There is just no logic in running in the Jewson. I remember what Alan King said when faced with same choice with My Way De Solzen. He said he'd never sleep if he won the Jewson as he could have prob been placed in the Arkle. There must me another motive for such a wimpish action, and IMO it is probably money.
It does seem odd that Ladbrokes have gone a point above all the other bookies throughout!! I have had bombs on with them at 4/1 when he was 3/1 and 100/30 everywhere else, so am  touch biased. Thought it was a free bet as seemed certain to be placed.
Also due to my faith in human nature I could not see the stable running in the Jewson so I have laid it to the maximum at 9s and 10s.
In the deep sh 1 t, but has taught me a lesson. I knew that Ginger was dodgy, but I gave Donald the benefit of the doubt until now.
Shameful.

Had 6-1 for the Arkle & was just waiting to collect? How wrong you can be, what I've lost is probs a drop in the ocean compared to most of you but it does leave a sour taste. Have backed Champion Court in the Jewson so if PC wins it that'll be a nice bit of salt in the wound. Ah well nothing like a bit of pain to keep you alert!

The Jewson was a handicap then though Harry. If it was a grade 2 then, I reckon MWDS would have ran in it.

I remember what Alan King said when faced with same choice with My Way De Solzen. He said he'd never sleep if he won the Jewson as he could have prob been placed in the Arkle

Someone defo in a muddle there, methinks.

Hence he ran him in the Arkle!!!

20Jan07 Haydock   ( 20 Hy ,RPR158 )
We have still have three options there, the Ryanair Chase would seem the obvious race, but that could turn out to be the hottest race of the week, and I have had a bee in my bonnet about the SunAlliance Chase for a long time. Then there is the Arkle, and I suppose he could go for that if it was soft, we will have to see. - Alan King

01Jan07 Cheltenham   ( 21 Hy ,RPR149 )
He has two options at the Festival. He´ll be put in the Arkle Trophy and he´ll be put in the Ryanair Chase but he won´t have an entry in the Royal & SunAlliance or the World Hurdle. He doesn´t need three miles, and there´s plenty of time to go up in trip next season. If the ground is like this in the March I wouldn´t rule out the Arkle. He´s a joy to watch and probably also a joy to ride. He fills you with confidence and can do it both ways - from behind or from the front. He might have one more run before the festival, but I wouldn´t worry if he went straight there. - Alan King; There was plenty there at the finish today. He was beaten by a good horse at Sandown, but the race might have come a bit quick for him after Lingfield. It was probably a tiny little off day. We always thought that this was his kind of trip but he´ll hopefully be a Gold Cup horse next season. - Robert Thornton

02Dec06 Sandown   ( 16 Sft ,RPR151 )
I´m certainly not ruling out the Arkle. He´s run a good race and learned again about running at speed over fences. We were conceding 9lb to a good horse and I´m perfectly happy with that run. There are no excuses, and he´ll have another run over two miles in the new year. - Alan King, trainer

22Nov06 Lingfield   ( 16 Sft ,RPR145 )
That was perfect, wasn´t it. It´s a huge relief, because while I couldn´t have been more pleased with him at home, this was a big day and I was feeling the pressure. Anything less than that would have been a disappointment. He went long, he went short, and everything 'Choc´ wanted he did. I never saw him put a foot wrong. I´d like to stick to two miles until he has to go further, but I don´t know where he´ll go next. If he runs over fences at Cheltenham it will be in the Arkle, but if the ground wasn´t suitable he´d go for the World Hurdle again. The one race I don´t think he´ll be running in is the SunAlliance. - Alan King, trainer; I don´t think I´ve ever known a novice jump that well first time out. - Robert Thornton, jockey


You're on drugs.  The Jewson was never thought of for a nanosecond as a potential target for My Way.

Mr Headmaster,
Im getting on a bit now old boy. It was the Ryanair, not the Jewson. Ryanair was considered 2nd rate then.
Sorry for the confusion.

Nice research by the way. You must know your way around on here. Think I remember you from the good old forum days.

I am starting to come round to this idea of PC running in the longer race to be honest. Who are we (punters) to know whats best for a racehorse? He won the Neptune pretty well as a novice hurdler and i would be astounded if he did not give a very good account of himself in this. He surely would not be a runner unless he was 110% fit although i would recommend waiting until the first show before having a bet, if a big drifter i wouldn't touch it but if fairly solid, i would be pretty confident of going in with a sizeable bet.

I think it makes alot of sense for connections and an obvious choice.The race is a bit longer,a bit slower and a bit easier than a arkle and at the end of the day a winner is a winner it doesnt matter what race it is,we are talikng about cheltnham hear.

I think its the right choice of race. I'd have been surprised if he'd have won the Arkle. Its just the way it was handled that was poor, saying Arkle was plan A a few days beforehand when the market was suggesting otherwise.

and it doesn't have that monster SS in it

What a mouth the OP is

Still think he will be beat in this race but!!

i dont really get all the people who are against this horse in the Jewson,must be all the punters who have done their dough on him and are hoping he gets beat rather than thinking he will,if this horse is anywhere near the peddlers cross that finished 2nd in a Champion Hurdle then he will absolutely píss up,anyone who thinks otherwise is on Drugs or their judgement is clouded by having done their dough on him in the Arkle,

What are the negatives exactly?He's a point winner and a Neptune winner,so he clearly stays,He's the classiest Horse in the Field by an absolute mile,i very much doubt McCain would be sending him to Cheltenham if he had any sort of niggles as it would put the Horses Career at risk,should be a 6/4 shot in this race imo

Your nap of the meeting then OTS I presume.

Well he was my Nap in the Arkle so certainly see no reason to change that here,Cristal Bonus 2nd fav?For non stop 3rd fav?sir de champs will probably run in the RSA and even if he doesnt he's still a long way behind pc,it's not as if he's anything special to beat in the Jewson,Cant see him been beat at all,unless he's totally gone at the game,which is unlikely

Well you have taken his defection to the Jewson rather well. I'd be rather sick if I had of backed him, tbh!

Gl anyway, I agree he is certainly the ''best'' horse in the race. Whether or not he will prove it on the day having not run since December due to ''issues'' I dont know. Pays your money take your chance,innit.

5-1 with billie hills seems really reasonable to me, i,ll have some of that

I'm hoping he will drift on the day (McCain doesn't sound confident) that will help my position on him.
Failng that it might be appropriate to put him in a double with County hopeful Plan A :-)

lol Brian.

He is 9/2 on here so yeah you can argue at the prices he is a fair bet.

No idea about this race at the moment myself. I guess you can say last years winner won this race on his first attempt over 20f over fences , which is what PC is doing.

PC is going to be a failed chaser, worst value bet of the festival this is.

OnTheSnaff

05 Mar 12 20:16

Dont really get why their running him at all if he's had a problem to be honest,
and as i said the other day,nobody remembers Jewson winners


There's only been 1 since it became a non-handicap!

if a few pull out which looks likely 5s will be a great bet wont be that on the day i will bet anyone on here that

Came right in on Arkle before suspension. If I had been around, I would layed some more on that race, can't believe they will change again.

I can see that he will go off about 7/4 in this race and win it easily - only drawback is lack of a prep race IMO

has to be considered that he doesn't make festival at all.  clearly something not right to change races in the first place. and very weak in market even now.

Agree entirely dxb. The ground will probably be rattling come Thursday....an excellent opportunity to withdraw gracefully.