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judorick
06 Feb 12 18:37
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Can we get a discussion going on this race which may be one of a few where ante post value remains. If you have a fancy or some knowledge of running plans please stick them in here.

I was looking at the market and there are two that stand out to my eye: Chaptoturgeon (10/1 best price) & Barber's Shop (best 20/1)

The former won at the Festival and Barbers Shop was second in the Paddy Power to Imperial Commander no less. Both classy sorts imo. I see Backstage is a fairly short priced favourite but he is not a horse I have ever liked and I would be against him at a single figure price

What say you?
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Report thedemps February 12, 2012 8:15 PM GMT
I would say that was a pretty weak race today and one unlikely to throw up the winner - OTF could maybe improve past Salsify but could be some good quality handicappers against them this year
Report dtamutants February 13, 2012 4:05 PM GMT
I'm annoyed that I missed the 16s on Salsify, I still think the 12s is decent value though. Chapoturgeon is entered in a Hunter Chase at both Fakenham and Sandown on Saturday so it should be fine, and Barber's Shop is in about five this week so we'll see how he looks. Silverburn is entered in quite a few this week as well, I hope he can get a win for his big bro.
Report stevo1 February 13, 2012 4:21 PM GMT
Silverburn omg underachiever returns
Report BJG February 13, 2012 11:33 PM GMT
Since December 1st 2009 and before February 28th 2012 in Great Britain or Ireland have:

a) Been placed first or second on two occasions in a Hunter Chase,
b) Won two open races at Point-To-Point meetings
or
c) Won one open race at a Point-To-Point meeting and have been placed first or second in a Hunter Chase

✔ = Qualified
½ = Must win an open race or be placed first or second in a Hunter Chase to qualify
× = Has not won an open race or been placed first or second in a Hunter Chase since December 1st 2009

As at 13/02/2012:
Name ?
According To John ✔
Aggie’s Lad ✔
Amicelli ✔
Backstage ✔
Barbers Shop ×
Blackstaff ✔
Boxer Georg ✔
Bradley ✔
Billyvoddan ✔
Cedrus Libani ✔
Chapoturgeon ½
Cloudy Lane ½
Cork All Star ✔
Current Exchange ✔
Danehill Willy ×
Description ✔
Divine Intavention ✔
Earth Dream ½
Eleazar ✔
Enter Paradise ✔
Footy Facts ✔
For The Staff ½
Gwanako ×
Herons Well ✔
Hills Of Aran ×
Just Amazing ✔
Just Smudge ½
Leac An Scail ✔
Lorikarad ✔
Martys Mission ×
Master Medic ½
Merchant Royal ✔
Merry Vic ✔
Mister Socks ½
Monkerty Tunkerty ✔
My Flora ✔
Noble Ben ½
Now Listen To Me ½
Oca De Thaix ✔
Oedipe ½
Officier De Reserve ×
Offshore Account ✔
Ollie Magern ×
On The Fringe ✔
Oscar Delta ✔
Palypso De Creek ½
Pathian Prince ✔
Putney Bridge ×
Qozak ×
Racing Demon ×
Rosies Peacock ✔
Roulez Cool ✔
Rowdy Rampage ✔
Salsify ✔
Sea Scout ✔
Sericina ✔
Silverburn ×
Simonsberg ✔
Southwestern ✔
Special Portrait ✔
Sunday City ×
Surenaga ✔
Teddy’s Reflection ×
Templer ✔
Theatre Diva ✔
The Polomoche ✔
Turko ✔
Turthen ✔
Viking Splash ✔
Zilcash ✔

Note: Not all qualified horses are listed.
If there are any horses that are likely to enter that you think should be added to the list please email hunterchases@yahoo.com
Report harry callaghan February 14, 2012 6:58 PM GMT
Cloudy lane qualified today...good old horse...won't be out of place in the hunter I wouldn't of thought...
Report shando February 16, 2012 12:47 AM GMT
just watched cloudy lane race that horse has no chance in the foxhunters
Report harry callaghan February 16, 2012 7:32 AM GMT
very bold shando very bold
Report Shakepseare's Sheriff February 16, 2012 9:57 AM GMT
shando.....have to agree.  Something is niggling at me with Cloudy Lane,,,he will stay, no doubt about that, but I can just see him not maintaining a position on second circuit and then staying past a few for 5/4th place
Report BJG February 16, 2012 11:49 AM GMT
DAILY FEST STAT: Leading fancies for Foxhunters are ex-handicappers but 20 of last 23 years won by traditional hunters
Report strontium February 16, 2012 3:27 PM GMT
Barbers Shop entered in a 4 runner Hunter Chase at Fakenham tomorrow against two penalised opponents....
Report horse9 February 16, 2012 5:37 PM GMT
BJG - good stat that.
Everyone looks to the best form an ex chaser has shown and doesn't allow for enough reduction since joining the hunters ranks - I love a young hunter with a career in front of him as opposed to an ex classy 10/11/12 year old chaser.
Report strontium February 16, 2012 5:41 PM GMT
The stat could correctly be expressed as 4 of last 7 years won by traditional hunters which is rather less impressive.

However, horses aged under 10 still have aa cracking record (19/21).
Report BJG February 16, 2012 5:43 PM GMT
Simonsberg RIP today Sad
Report horse9 February 16, 2012 5:48 PM GMT
Stron - strange how I knew that stat but still backed Juveignor a couple of years ago.
Classic case of heart ruling head, something that 25 years of festival punting on I still haven't mastered !
Report strontium February 16, 2012 5:55 PM GMT
It's fair enough - stats are a numerical assment of form, not rules the horses have to obey.
Report horse9 February 16, 2012 6:13 PM GMT
I amde it a schoolboy error then and I still make it one now, but thanks for making me feel better.
Fact is, stats/trends are an accumilation of what's gone before, and there's a reason some stats/trends keep re-occuring when the conditions of any race do not alter - 5yo in champion hurdles, novices in champion races etc, there's a reason these things very rarely happen....
Report strontium February 16, 2012 6:26 PM GMT
Horse, I think that's essentially right. However, one needs to be careful. For example, Gold Cup (winning) horses are not trained and campaigned now in the same way they were 20 years ago. That has indoubtedly affected the race and weakened stats from 10-20 years ago. I think the same is starting to be true with the Foxhunters - it's now been targeted by top yards with some decent horses in a way that hasn't been done in the past when it's been left to hunters/PtP horses. If so, stats on things like background, and perhaps age, will change in the next few years.

The view I try to take with stats is that if the stat makes sense rationally it's probably OK. However, somebody posted a stats analysis of a Grade 1 race the other day where they'd discounted a horse because it is top rated. That sort of think strikes me as the wrong way to go.
Report horse9 February 16, 2012 6:36 PM GMT
Yes for sure, and of course every now and then you get the exception such as Master Minded who without doubt was the best 5yo chaser in history, these events must be taken as 'one-offs' and they merely distort the stat/trend.
I take your point re changing priorities of top yards and the fact this race may well be targeted in a way it wasn't before, but I'm still reluctant to back a horse that has been through the handicap sphere and is on the downgrade before tackling this race, an unexposed improver (therefore from traditional hunting background) will always get my interest.
Report strontium February 16, 2012 6:40 PM GMT
That's fair enough horse (and is, broadly, a good general rule for many races, not just the Foxhunters)
Report thedemps February 17, 2012 5:27 PM GMT
I disagree actually.  As much as I am interested in rising stars (I back On the Fringe last year - mainly because of lack of horses with decent form under rules - and Kingscliff when he won) I also look specifically for a decent handicapper who isn't too long in the tooth.  Chapoturgeon and Gwanako were the too I pulled out this year.

Thanks for your hard work on the qualifiers BJG - I asked BF to put Gwanako in the list as I thought second in a PTP was good enough. Was kicking myself as he won easily today (despite backing him at 2/1) as I only had a tenner on at 40s until I reread it.  Main reason I limited stakes was that I wasn't sure why he was allowed to be that price and nothing else there to back him. Now I know
Report Shakepseare's Sheriff February 17, 2012 6:51 PM GMT
I think Munkerty Tunkerty has an outstanding chance....has the running style which has proven effective in theis race, jumps well, stays and is improving with each run.  Besides that I know the sister of the trainer and they are really excited about the chance they feel they have.
Report the mighty doomer February 18, 2012 12:12 AM GMT
Anybody who likes hunter chases,I found this website and its free.  http://hunterchases.com/
Report Paddy Hair February 18, 2012 3:50 AM GMT
Where is Kohaku when you need him.
Report BJG February 19, 2012 8:31 PM GMT
Chapoturgeon qualified today
Report giggsy3444 February 19, 2012 8:53 PM GMT
how well did he win? what was his sp?
Report giggsy3444 February 19, 2012 8:53 PM GMT
how well did he win? what was his sp?
Report Shakepseare's Sheriff February 19, 2012 8:54 PM GMT
won easily at an SP if 1/6F !!
Report Shakepseare's Sheriff February 19, 2012 8:55 PM GMT
oh yeh.....it was a 2 runner races as well!!
Report giggsy3444 February 19, 2012 8:57 PM GMT
i fancy him. good to see him now in with 3 weeks to go.
Report strontium February 19, 2012 9:04 PM GMT
Was it a PtP?
Report Shakepseare's Sheriff February 19, 2012 9:06 PM GMT
Yes Sint it was....at Milborne St Andrew.  But it was only a 2 runner affair.
Report strontium February 19, 2012 9:14 PM GMT
Perfect for qualifying Laugh
Report BJG February 19, 2012 9:20 PM GMT
Foxhunters winner ran today too Cool
Report BJG February 19, 2012 9:20 PM GMT
My Flora warmed up for a tilt at the Christie’s Foxhunter Chase with an impressive performance in the Mens Open at Chaddesley Corbett on Sunday, beating the useful Findlay’s Find by a cosy five length margin.

The mare was heavily eased all the way down the home straight by Tom David and in truth, the winning margin could easily have been a distance.

Trainer Sheila Crow was content with the eight-year-old’s final outing before the Festival: “She had to win impressively today [to prove she was ready for Cheltenham]. She did it nicely, in her own way.”

In her previous outing at Newbury, My Flora was prominent throughout and eventually fell two out when beaten. Different tactics were employed on Sunday however, being held up early and gradually picking off the field in the final circuit before asserting herself on the race four from home. The runner-up, Findlay’s Find, a prolific winner of nine Points last term, was simply no match for Crow’s charge who totally outclassed her nearest rival, forbidden to use his turn of foot.

My Flora had won over course and distance in December and the trainer was certain that she made the right decision in taking her back to the Worcestershire circuit: “She wouldn’t have liked Haydock yesterday. Today we thought they (Finday’s Find) would make it steady and then go on but people don’t realise how much foot she’s got.”

When asked what was the ideal trip for the Foxhunter hopeful, Crow replied: “If she settles, I don’t think she minds [the race distance]. She’s quick enough to win over 2m4f. She’s just at her best when she relaxes. I ride her all the time and you just need to give her a squeeze and she zooms.”



Cool
Report chairmanmeowmeow February 20, 2012 3:12 PM GMT
@ judorick

With you all the way... Barbers shop shytes up IF it gets there in one piece, If the jock holds his nerve and IF Chemical Nickie rembers to stop the pills in time Tongue Out

LOT of "IFs"... BUT any thing that can run in a Gold Cup/Hennesey and get within a furlong of Denman shld be good enough!LaughLaugh

When did we last have a gold cup calibre hores running in the foxhunters, or put it another way, one that cld genuinely make the first four in a gold cup that year?

I'm old enough to remember Double Silk (SUPER STAR hunter who was cruising second circuit of the national when brought down and broke ribs) - he was 150-ish BHR... still a good 7lbs or more behind Barbers Shop at his best
Report Govan Spoonful February 20, 2012 7:38 PM GMT
Already placed in two Gold Cups, I thought Harbour Pilot would be a shoo-in when dropping down to the Foxhunter. Nina did well to stay in the saddle but horse was never going to win. Cost me!
Report Shakepseare's Sheriff February 20, 2012 8:01 PM GMT
hey chair....what about Kingscliff....was 2nd fav for the gold cup one year (got injured and didn't run....few years later dropped down to the foxhunters..........came 10th!!
Report Hanbury February 20, 2012 8:02 PM GMT
BJG

Thanks for the posting on My Flora, its good to know he has qualified, and is in good form.

I listened to Timeform radio the other day. They had two specialists on point to point racing discussing the race.

It was an interesting listen for 20 minutes!

But when asked who they thought would win, they had both already backed My Flora!!

I also liked the sound of Bradley as an outsider. he won the other day, and is my other pick at a big price.

Will be doing a reverse exacta, so think of me if it comes off!!
Report strontium February 20, 2012 9:00 PM GMT
^She's a she. Shwe was also looking well beaten when she fell at Newbury.
Report thedemps February 20, 2012 9:40 PM GMT
When Kingscliff returned to the Foxhunter, he was 12 and had gone.  Harbour Pilot made a shocking mistake and was also 11 at the time with plenty of miles on the clock.  I don't think these examples should be used to state that Gold Cup class horses can't win the Foxhunter. Baby Run was a 130-odd rated chaser and hasn't been all that far away from picking up the last 3.

I think Baby Run has inspired a few people to take decent horses that would otherwise be up against it in handicaps hunter chasing - in practice even winning the Foxhunter might not affect the handicap mark significantly so why not let them enjoy themselves and grab a bit if prize money

I am very interested to see how horses like Chapoturgeon, and Barbers Shop/Gwanako (if they qualify) perform.  This is exactly the profile of horse I was looking for this race and I will focus on in future.
Report Hanbury February 20, 2012 9:50 PM GMT
Thanks for correcting me Stontium:)
Report Hanbury February 20, 2012 9:53 PM GMT
She was beaten at Newbury, but they felt she didnt like being ridden prominently.

They have changed the tactics since and goes there with a good chance imo
Report thedemps February 20, 2012 9:54 PM GMT
She was more than just beaten at Newbury - she seemed totally outclassed to me
Report Hanbury February 20, 2012 9:56 PM GMT
The horse has to bounce back from the poor showing.

Connections felt he ran below expectations, so Im willing to give her a second chance.
Report thedemps February 20, 2012 10:05 PM GMT
Certainly hard to muster much else from the PTP ranks - maybe she will be better for the extra stamina test and the winner will be inconvenienced by it but she is only a few points bigger and I expect time to show that race to be the first time she took on decent NH horses
Report Hanbury February 20, 2012 10:14 PM GMT
I respect your opinion Demps, you know your stuff:)

I feel the fact she is only 12.5 means the shrewd point to point boys (of which I am not one!) are backing her.

There are plenty of horses that turn over form at Cheltenham, I'm hoping My Flora is one of them!

I'm looking forward for Bradley too. This one has a decent chance too
Report houseofpain February 22, 2012 7:15 PM GMT
Can i ask for a little clarification please by one of you guys, is gwanako not qualified yet, if so is there still time,  whens the cut off point thx.
Report Catch Me ifyoucan February 22, 2012 7:18 PM GMT
BJG Date 13 Feb 12 23:33

Since December 1st 2009 and before February 28th 2012 in Great Britain or Ireland have:

a) Been placed first or second on two occasions in a Hunter Chase,
b) Won two open races at Point-To-Point meetings
or
c) Won one open race at a Point-To-Point meeting and have been placed first or second in a Hunter Chase

✔ = Qualified
½ = Must win an open race or be placed first or second in a Hunter Chase to qualify
× = Has not won an open race or been placed first or second in a Hunter Chase since December 1st 2009

As at 13/02/2012:
Name ?
According To John ✔
Aggie’s Lad ✔
Amicelli ✔
Backstage ✔
Barbers Shop ×
Blackstaff ✔
Boxer Georg ✔
Bradley ✔
Billyvoddan ✔
Cedrus Libani ✔
Chapoturgeon ½
Cloudy Lane ½
Cork All Star ✔
Current Exchange ✔
Danehill Willy ×
Description ✔
Divine Intavention ✔
Earth Dream ½
Eleazar ✔
Enter Paradise ✔
Footy Facts ✔
For The Staff ½
Gwanako ×
Herons Well ✔
Hills Of Aran ×
Just Amazing ✔
Just Smudge ½
Leac An Scail ✔
Lorikarad ✔
Martys Mission ×
Master Medic ½
Merchant Royal ✔
Merry Vic ✔
Mister Socks ½
Monkerty Tunkerty ✔
My Flora ✔
Noble Ben ½
Now Listen To Me ½
Oca De Thaix ✔
Oedipe ½
Officier De Reserve ×
Offshore Account ✔
Ollie Magern ×
On The Fringe ✔
Oscar Delta ✔
Palypso De Creek ½
Pathian Prince ✔
Putney Bridge ×
Qozak ×
Racing Demon ×
Rosies Peacock ✔
Roulez Cool ✔
Rowdy Rampage ✔
Salsify ✔
Sea Scout ✔
Sericina ✔
Silverburn ×
Simonsberg ✔
Southwestern ✔
Special Portrait ✔
Sunday City ×
Surenaga ✔
Teddy’s Reflection ×
Templer ✔
Theatre Diva ✔
The Polomoche ✔
Turko ✔
Turthen ✔
Viking Splash ✔
Zilcash ✔

Note: Not all qualified horses are listed.
If there are any horses that are likely to enter that you think should be added to the list please email hunterchases@yahoo.com
Report Catch Me ifyoucan February 22, 2012 7:20 PM GMT
hop,
Won since , so he's ✔ = Qualified
Report BJG February 22, 2012 7:24 PM GMT
http://hunterchases.com/resources/christies-foxhunter-chase-qualification/
Report Catch Me ifyoucan February 22, 2012 7:24 PM GMT
Oops, NOT Qualified, as he he only won one HC. Whoops
Report houseofpain February 22, 2012 7:47 PM GMT
Thx for above posts, any ideas if said horse has any engagements in ptp's in the coming 6 days.
Report horse9 February 22, 2012 8:33 PM GMT
Big rumours today that Backstage may not qualify, owing to a win under rules back in 2009 with a pen value of £30k...
Report Gordon63 February 22, 2012 8:39 PM GMT
racing post price guide has racing demon at 33s which would be interesting but i don't think it can qualify now so my preference is for roulez cool but maybe they'll miss cheltenham for the national - any one got any info?
Report BJG February 22, 2012 8:40 PM GMT
I asked SWC a few weeks ago and he said the plan was for RC to go straight to Chelt for the Foxhunters!

Things may have changed in the meantime but that was the plan
Report BJG February 22, 2012 10:07 PM GMT
Cut off date is Dec 09 so he is fine
Report BJG February 22, 2012 10:08 PM GMT
Backstage
Report colmaaca February 22, 2012 11:03 PM GMT
do they plan to run barbers shop at cheltenham (before i jump of the cliff)
Report judorick February 22, 2012 11:04 PM GMT
wish I knew too mate
Report colmaaca February 22, 2012 11:08 PM GMT
its entered for a race on sunday
Report strontium February 22, 2012 11:11 PM GMT
I recall reading a quote from the Queen's NH racing manager saying that he'll run if he can get qualified and he'll probably be her only runner at the Festival. In last Saturday's RP I think.
Report bertieboy February 23, 2012 12:34 AM GMT
chapoturgeon likely to get in bjg? surely run again to get in? cheers
Report judorick February 23, 2012 12:39 AM GMT
won a two runner ptp the other day
Report HENRY THE ATEF February 23, 2012 12:44 AM GMT
SALSIFY watch the replay  on ATR jockey had the brakes on most of the way when he let it stride on at a few it made lengths may need to settle better at festival
Report The Headmaster February 23, 2012 10:42 AM GMT
horse9
Big rumours today that Backstage may not qualify, owing to a win under rules back in 2009 with a pen value of £30k...


The above is correct - Backstage is not eligible to run in any British Hunter Chase in 2012, including Cheltenham.
Report The Headmaster February 23, 2012 10:43 AM GMT
I would hope that bookmakers refund all bets on the 'you can't win, you can't lose' basis, as this horse NEVER had a chance of winning the 2012 renewal.
Report strontium February 23, 2012 10:45 AM GMT
Hilarious. Don't these people read the rules before plotting their plot horses?
Report The Headmaster February 23, 2012 10:52 AM GMT
To be fair to the trainer has he ever said the FH is the plan?  I think he might have known tbh - it's the bookmakers that should be embarrassed, making a horse fav who could never even enter let alone win.  They spend most of the winter listing horses for the Centenary that are rated outside the band too.  Clueless or something more sinister?
Report strontium February 23, 2012 11:07 AM GMT
HM, according to quotes in this thead, the owners have:

http://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28816283/backstage?pg=1

"This time 12 months ago the Grand National was Plan A for him, but this season the Foxhunter Chase at Cheltenham is his Derby."

"If he can run up to that sort of rating at the Festival, then he should be competitive."

"The horse should be going there full of confidence and we're looking forward to it.

"I think he goes there with as good a chance as anything else in the race."
Report sickoflayinwinners February 23, 2012 11:13 AM GMT
i was astounded to see several earlier posters doubing barber shops  will to win,i personally dont fancy him t win the foxhuntrs as i  always doubted his stamina more than braverey,im sure he won enough races not to be  accused of being unwilling.my own littl;e fancy for the race is salsify , ill be keeping him onside for certain.ultra impressive in his recent irish hunter chase win and its fair to say that looked a decent enough event with last years fohunter jolly   on the fringe    comfortably beaten and a few other decent performers behind.
Report The Headmaster February 23, 2012 11:15 AM GMT
Yes, stront, I just read that on the other thread.  I'd be pretty disappointed in my racing manager there, I have to say Plain
Report liqernpoker February 23, 2012 11:29 AM GMT
it would appear the bookmakers have taken note re backstage
Report strontium February 26, 2012 5:17 PM GMT
Barbers Shop now qualified, but hardly an inspiring performance.
Report thedemps February 26, 2012 6:59 PM GMT
Didn't see too much wrong with it myself - main thing for those on AP is to get him qualified and he has achieved that no problem

I thought he jumped very nicely and ideled abot and who knows what the 2nd is - beat The Midnight Club at levels in a PTP when TMC was a year older - Merry Vic hasnt runs since and TMC was arguably unlucky not to win the National last year.  If he beat TMC today I think Barbers would now be a short priced favourite

I am very surprised to see him available at 16s
Report sickoflayinwinners February 26, 2012 8:53 PM GMT
gotta be honest beating merry vic whos been off for an age and would be a 1000/1 in the foxhunter itself gives barber shop a ton to find just to  finish in the right half of the field.if today is as good as he  is then he has  NO CHANCE.. maybe he had an off day but somehoei doubt that as he wasnt very impressive when he won last btime.
Report strontium February 26, 2012 9:09 PM GMT
I hope you're right Demps as I have a few quid on BS. I just worry about whether he'll stay the trip in a strongly run race at the Festival. That said, it's good to see him back in the winner's enclosure - I've always had a soft spot for the horse.
Report judorick February 27, 2012 2:22 PM GMT
stayed well enough to be 4th in a Hennessey off 156 - race won by a certain Denman. If he can get within a stone of that form he will gag up. That's the problem though - can he run anywhere near that level these days?
Report sickoflayinwinners February 27, 2012 8:38 PM GMT
jud , you have to accept that yestrdays moderate win and his previous win prove emphatically that he CANNOT  run to anything like those heady days, if you ignore what he USED to be able to do   and price him up for the foxhunters on thesew two hunterr wins(recent form is all that matter really) then hes a 100/1 chance . on what weve seen he cant win a decent mens open.
Report tweedledumbtweedletwat February 27, 2012 8:42 PM GMT
looks like gwanko wont be eligible..
Report judorick February 27, 2012 8:47 PM GMT
really don't see any of these qualifying races as too relevant

I'll have some 100 if you're offering though Crazy
Report ReaseHeath February 27, 2012 10:25 PM GMT
Thought Herons Well was travelling well in this last year when unseating and particularly unlucky to be brought down in the Aintree Foxhunters.  Plan has been to return for another tilt at this, though abandoned meetings have put paid to a seasonal reappearance a couple of times already (including tomorrow).  Could be of interest for me at decent prices.

Surprised this was only endorsed by the post immediately following (albeit I scanned the thread fairly quickly).

One of the few I've been waiting for since last year.
Report thedemps February 27, 2012 10:48 PM GMT
Herons Well ran 4th behind Gwanako last week Rease
Report thedemps February 27, 2012 10:49 PM GMT
I'd be really surprised if the winner came from last year's race other than OTF maybe as he is still young
Report ReaseHeath February 27, 2012 11:04 PM GMT
Yep, I saw that mate though have n't watched the race. Have watched last year's Foxhunters a couple of times though and still really struck by how nicely HW was going.

Last week's race was over 21f I think?

I also agree with the comments about Aintree last year above.

Of course I could be just chasing last year's losses Wink
Report ReaseHeath February 27, 2012 11:06 PM GMT
thedemps - sorry my post above is probably confusing - the bit in bold is a quote from another poster at the start of this thread before Heron's Well's latest run.
Report TITCH 1 February 28, 2012 7:20 PM GMT
Been keeping my ete out for Herons Well as said before travelled like a dream last year and would have gone close, can someone tell me why he is only priced up by two bookies when he is qualified ???
Report strontium February 28, 2012 10:16 PM GMT
robably because the entries aren't out until tomorrow. Have a look tomrrow evening - he'll be priced up if entered!
Report nellers February 28, 2012 10:30 PM GMT
This race is a joke. The jockeys are hopeless and all of the horses are old plodders. Anyone thinking about a wager in this race is a total headcase. And whoever started the thread must be seriously lacking in the brains department.
Report TINnotaTON February 28, 2012 11:01 PM GMT
have to agree, most of the tw@ts riding seem to think there on an afternoon hunt round, wouldnt risk a bean on it,
Report judorick February 29, 2012 12:23 AM GMT
you wanna shut ya facking mouth nellers
Report shando February 29, 2012 12:54 AM GMT
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i agree if u dont like the thread nellers dont post on it and feck of
Report Shakepseare's Sheriff February 29, 2012 8:48 AM GMT
ridiculous nellers!........10 million sperm and you had to get through!!
Report KP22 February 29, 2012 12:41 PM GMT
Form Horse Age Owner Trainer
U335PF/- ACCORDING TO JOHN (IRE) 12 H B Geddes Richard Barber
6P/0-431 AMICELLI (GER) 13 Cherry Coward Cherry Coward
0P/0P-11 BARBERS SHOP 10 The Queen Nicky Henderson
1-52 BLACKSTAFF (IRE) 7 Jane Williams Jane Williams
0/15P/2P- BORDER FUSION 13 Barry, Edkins, Shaw Gary Hanmer
2402-61 BOXER GEORG (IRE) 10 William Murray/Keith Murray Willie Mullins IRE
4/12-21 BRADLEY 8 J C Collett Fergal O'Brien
00B/30-1 CHAPOTURGEON (FR) 8 David Johnson & Paul Nicholls Richard Barber
6440/-21 CLOUDY LANE 12 Trevor Hemmings Donald McCain
1P COUNT SALAZAR (IRE) 7 James Barry Eoin Doyle IRE
33/56F-F DESCRIPTION (IRE) 10 Camilla Ewart & Mr Jamie Warner Alan Hill
30/211-0 DOUBLE MEAD 10 K R Smith-Maxwell Alex Dunn
F0/-1122 ELEAZAR (GER) 11 Justin Wadham Lucy Wadham
21 ENTER PARADISE (IRE) 8 R C Heginbotham Charlie Mann
4P4-44P FOR THE STAFF (IRE) 8 Mrs E M Worth Nigel Edmonds
21UF-44 HERONS WELL 9 John Halley Rebecca Curtis
1FP/PP-P JOAACI (IRE) 12 Duncan Odgers Pat Shaw
16/11P1- JUST AMAZING (IRE) 9 Catherine Penny Paul Nicholls
21-3F14 KEENAN'S FUTURE (IRE) 11 Stephan Rea Stephan Rea
1U LORIKARAD (FR) 8 R Tolley & Miss C Jones Charlotte Jones
U52-21P MAD VICTOR (IRE) 11 Paternosters Racing Sue Taylor
P2/-P111 MERCHANT ROYAL (IRE) 8 Kris Weld Dermot Weld IRE
00//-1 MONKERTY TUNKERTY 9 Jessica Westwood Jessica Westwood
11F MY FLORA 8 W D Edwards & J Whitfield Sheila Crow
P61244 NOT BEFORE EIGHT (IRE) 8 R J Watson/R Nicholas David Christie IRE
122-35r OCA DE THAIX (FR) 10 Keith Goldsworthy Keith Goldsworthy
00/333-P OFFSHORE ACCOUNT (IRE) 12 Nick Sutton Tracey Bailey
1/14-3 ON THE FRINGE (IRE) 7 J P McManus Enda Bolger IRE
03-0 OSCAR DELTA (IRE) 9 Ms K O'Driscoll Jimmy Mangan IRE
3163/6-P PENNY DOC (IRE) 11 Peter & Lisa Hall Paul Tolman
31/21U2- PICAROON 8 Mrs K R Smith-Maxwell Alex Dunn
5P3/1P-2 RATHCOR 10 Stephan Rea Stephan Rea
//U1/2B/1- ROULEZ COOL 9 Robert Waley-Cohen Robert Waley-Cohen
P//U62-11 ROWDY RAMPAGE (IRE) 8 The Rowdy Boys Paul Nicholls
2U-11P1 SALSIFY (IRE) 7 Mrs J B Sweeney Rodger Sweeney IRE
P13-F3P SURENAGA (IRE) 10 Ken Price Phillip Rowley
00U0P/0/- TAKEYOURPICK (IRE) 11 Niall Connolly David Christie IRE
006-F2U TAMMYS HILL (IRE) 7 Patrick Smyth Liam Lennon IRE
412-25F THE GENERAL LEE (IRE) 10 A Squires Phillip Rowley
1/4U11-6 THEATRE DIVA (IRE) 11 Jackie du Plessis Jackie du Plessis
U1F-042 TURKO (FR) 10 David & Lucia Borradaile Lucia Borradaile
/1PF//2/-1 UNOWATIMEEN (IRE) 12 John O'Shea John O'Shea
P1PP//6-5 UP THERE (IRE) 11 Rae Jones Nicky Sheppard
21 ZARDSKY (IRE) 6 T J Nagle Jnr T J Nagle Jnr IRE
44 entries
10 Irish-trained
Report Catch Me ifyoucan March 4, 2012 8:50 PM GMT
RT @1990_Sam: @BetfairRacing What Type Of Race Is Your Favourite, Bumper, Fence Or Hurdle? - always plenty of satisfaction from chasers

Best chance at Cheltenham is most definitely Cloudy Lane

RT @Tidetablethree: @BetfairRacing Who rides Cloudy in the Foxhunters? - we're delighted to have Richard Harding riding




Chapoturgeon (6) , On the Fringe (8) , Salsify (8) , Cloudy Lane (9) , Monkerty Tunkerty (10) , My Flora (10) , Roulez Cool (14) , Barbers Shop (16) , According To John (20) , Boxer Georg (20) , Enter Paradise (20) , Merchant Royal (20) , Zardsky (20) , Just Amazing (25) , Rowdy Rampage (25) , Tammys Hill (25) , Bradley (33) , Description (33) , Herons Well (33) , Keenans Future (33)  - Others  33 or more
Report Catch Me ifyoucan March 6, 2012 2:01 PM GMT
CHARITY BETS / NAPS (from the preview evenings)

Paul Jones - On The Fringe (Foxhunters)
Paul Nicholls - Chapoturgeon (Foxhunters) & Son Of Vic E/W
Paul Binfield - Salsify (Foxhunters)
Paddy Power - Salsify (Foxhunters)
Report sickoflayinwinners March 6, 2012 9:15 PM GMT
chaps dont look beyond salsify, i know its not a huge price probably 3rd in the betting but it will win.
Report cammy glasgow March 6, 2012 10:43 PM GMT
agree catch am on cloudy @ 14s way lads2 10 days ago had £50 win and ton dbl with long run 9/4
Report Catch Me ifyoucan March 11, 2012 9:48 PM GMT
Chapoturgeon (11/2) , Cloudy Lane (7) , Salsify (7) , On the Fringe (8) , Monkerty Tunkerty (10) , My Flora (10) , Barbers Shop (14) , Roulez Cool (14) , Merchant Royal (16) , Boxer Georg (20) , Enter Paradise (20) , Rowdy Rampage (20) , Just Amazing (25) , Tammys Hill (25) , Bradley (33) , Description (33) , Herons Well (33) , Keenans Future (33) , Not Before Eight (33) , Oscar Delta (33)  - Others  40 or more
Report sickoflayinwinners March 16, 2012 11:48 PM GMT
i hate to say i told you so but I TOLD YOU SO.tallyhooooooooooooooooooooo,
Report sickoflayinwinners March 18, 2012 8:11 PM GMT
i think the guy who was saying in an earlier post that barber shop was a great price at 1.5 prior to barber shop scraping home at  fontwell 9sp was something like 8/11 must now realise that the horse is basically "gone" as his unimpressive defeat of merry vic suggested he is.
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