After race at Gowran Park Thu, 26th Jan, 2012 (1st) He's a fair tool, and keeps improving all the time. We've schooled him over hurdles and were thinking of going hurdling. We might still consider the Cheltenham bumper. It's 50-50. He settled lovely today but Cheltenham might blow his head. We have the alternative of running him in a few good novice hurdles to give him some experience. B R Hamilton
After race at Gowran Park Thu, 26th Jan, 2012 (1st) He's a fair tool, and keeps improving all the time. We've schooled him over hurdles and were thinking of going hurdling. We might still consider the Cheltenham bumper. It's 50-50. He settled lovely
This is what he said after the horses previous win:
Brian Hamilton trains Moscow Mannon for Jonathan Flanagan and he said: "The owner turned down decent money for him after Galway. Declan rides out for Willie Mullins and he said this fellow is as good as anything Willie has down there.
"We've had the Cheltenham bumper at the back of our minds for him. We'll see how things go now.
"He's a fair decent horse and he's got a flat sort of pedigree.
"We were a bit concerned about the ground but he answered that question today.
"He could go for a bumper at Naas at the end of January and that'd make up our minds about Cheltenham."
They ran him at the end of Januarys (though at Gowran not Naas) and as he romped home I assumed that would 'make their mind up about Cheltenham'.
Seems like this inability to give s straight target is becoming endemic with all trainers.
Typical.This is what he said after the horses previous win:Brian Hamilton trains Moscow Mannon for Jonathan Flanagan and he said: "The owner turned down decent money for him after Galway. Declan rides out for Willie Mullins and he said this fellow is
Have now laid off my entire stake at 16/1 on here so no harm done - will just have to decide whether to accept a lower price if/when he is confirmed as I hate taken less than I could have done.
I had similar stuff the year Dunguib won - I'd advised and backed him at 12/1 and then we had all the 'will he won't he' until just before the meeting. Laid my bet off at about 9/1 and then only had about a quarter of my stake on him on the day.
If they don't run at Cheltenham the owner/trainer are bloody idiots. Novice hurdles can wait till next year.
Have now laid off my entire stake at 16/1 on here so no harm done - will just have to decide whether to accept a lower price if/when he is confirmed as I hate taken less than I could have done.I had similar stuff the year Dunguib won - I'd advised an
Rumour's that a hefty offer has been accepted by owner Jonathan Flanagan for his weatherbys champion Bumper 2nd fav Moscow Mannan were dismissed yesterday(27th Jan).The six-year-old has landed three consecutive bumpers,concluding with Thursday's at Gowran. Trainer Brian Hamilton said:"He's a very good horse and there are load's of offers on the table,but he's family-owned and they are people who are relatively new to racing so i think they want to go to Cheltenham.He's not actually on the market. PAGE14 SAT28TH RACING POST
Rumour's that a hefty offer has been accepted by owner Jonathan Flanagan for his weatherbys champion Bumper 2nd fav Moscow Mannan were dismissed yesterday(27th Jan).The six-year-old has landed three consecutive bumpers,concluding with Thursday's at G
If he were trained by Mullins and owned by JP he'd be about 5/1 fav.
Might have to get my money back on soon - will be watching oddschecker like a hawk.
If he were trained by Mullins and owned by JP he'd be about 5/1 fav.Might have to get my money back on soon - will be watching oddschecker like a hawk.
There is no doubt uncle, it's form makes for good reading. If there were no reports of hurdling, I would certainly take some of the 16s, but will be happy with 10s on the morning
There is no doubt uncle, it's form makes for good reading. If there were no reports of hurdling, I would certainly take some of the 16s, but will be happy with 10s on the morning
rpdarkhorse Justin O'Hanlon Brian Hamilton reported today that Moscow Mannon will run in the Cheltenham bumper and that Declan Lavery is likely to keep the ride.
rpdarkhorse Justin O'HanlonBrian Hamilton reported today that Moscow Mannon will run in the Cheltenham bumper and that Declan Lavery is likely to keep the ride.
Good enough for me, this was on Mark Howards Diary..
Thursday 26th January 2012 Moscow Mannon (7/4), highlighted as a horse to follow in the Christmas Special, ran out a most impressive winner of the bumper at Gowran Park. Brian Hamilton's gelding had made a big impression when beating subsequent winner Joxer at Fairyhouse in December. The Moscow Society gelding missed the Festive period having been found to be coughing but he was back to full fitness with an easy win from the well regarded Morning Royalty. He is now second favourite with some firms for the Festival bumper in March and it will take a very good horse to beat him. The six year old looked a class act today.
Good enough for me, this was on Mark Howards Diary..Thursday 26th January 2012 Moscow Mannon (7/4), highlighted as a horse to follow in the Christmas Special, ran out a most impressive winner of the bumper at Gowran Park. Brian Hamilton's gelding had
I'm all for loyalty, but given the value and importance of the race I'd much prefer it if they took the opportunity to book a decent professional. I know the jockey has ridden him to his wins, but that was against other amateurs, and if push comes to shove (which hopefully it won't) it would be galling to see him beaten 1/2L by something ridden by McCoy, Walsh, Gerraghty, Thornton etc. Anyone remember Mighty Moss
But 16/1 is still widely available, and more than compensates for the jockey issue, so I've gone in again.
I'm all for loyalty, but given the value and importance of the race I'd much prefer it if they took the opportunity to book a decent professional. I know the jockey has ridden him to his wins, but that was against other amateurs, and if push comes to
Hate to dampen the ridiculous enthusiasm fot this horse but: 1.Has only run right handed. 2.Last won at Gowran which is the complete opposite of Cheltenham being an undulating right handed course with a downhill finish. 3.Trainer never had a runner at Cheltenham before 4 Jockey is a 7lb claiming amateur riding against Ruby etc. 5 Jockey never rode at Cheltenham before. So analysis: Inexperieced rider + Inexperienced Trainer Chances of success = o% Chances of having kittens= 100%
Hate to dampen the ridiculous enthusiasm fot this horse but:1.Has only run right handed.2.Last won at Gowran which is the complete opposite of Cheltenham being an undulating right handed course with a downhill finish.3.Trainer never had a runner at C
Don't take much notice of the bumper, other than it is useful to know a year in advance what the beaten favourite in the Supreme will be. The analysis from TBFML struck me as being very inadequate though and has made me go and look at the horse as I suspect people having such views might allow for some value.
1. Most horses don't have a right or left hand preference so in the absence of a poor run left handed this point has little relevance. 2. Means we know he handles undulations then! Preference for a flat or undulating track is much more likely than caring which way round he goes. Sharp or Galloping is even more prevalent as a preference, so the fact he handled Fairyhouse says a lot. 3. So what, the bumper seems a good place to start then 4. So what, it is the bumper it's not like he's got to get the thing to jump? 5. Again, it's only a flat race, if he has the best horse he probably won't muck it up.
If a lot of people are thinking like you then there may be some real value there.
Don't take much notice of the bumper, other than it is useful to know a year in advance what the beaten favourite in the Supreme will be. The analysis from TBFML struck me as being very inadequate though and has made me go and look at the horse as I
------------------ Mr D G Lavery in a different parish then Mr Fred Hutsby imo,didn't panic at G0wran when many thought Morning Royalty had given him the slip.
Anyone remember Mighty Moss,------------------Mr D G Lavery in a different parish then Mr Fred Hutsby imo,didn't panic at G0wran when many thought Morning Royalty had given him the slip.
Some points worth making or repeating. 1.I notice young Lavery has ridden 13 times in 2 seasons.I suspect that only because the owners are very loyal his chances of him riding at Cheltenham for any other stable are equal to his chances of winning this race namely zilch even 2 He obviously deserves kudos for winning at Gowran but that was against 5 other horses not the hurly and burly and bumping-after all it is a bumper-at Cheltenham. 3.I wish the young lad good luck but even if the horse is good enough he will get carved up among the big boys
Some points worth making or repeating.1.I notice young Lavery has ridden 13 times in 2 seasons.I suspect that only because the owners are very loyal his chances of him riding at Cheltenham for any other stable are equal to his chances of winning this
1. Indeed, he had no chance in that either 2. How do you know, could be anything yet 3. It's the Champion Bumper, what was Henderson's last winner in it?
Those of us who can remember great victories by small handlers at the Festival know it can be done. Some of them don't stay small handlers mind you. Remember people being very sniffy about horses trained out in the sticks by MC Pipe even after Baron Blakeney had won the Triumph.
Absolutely ridiculous to say what might be the best horse has ZERO chance because of who rides it and/or trains it. Especially when they have already trained and ridden it to the point where it has the best form in the race. By all means downgrade its chance slightly but to say ZERO is just plain wrong, as well as being frankly rude and ignorant. The horse has a chance. Best piece of advice I can give anyone is back HORSES not jockeys!
1. Indeed, he had no chance in that either2. How do you know, could be anything yet3. It's the Champion Bumper, what was Henderson's last winner in it?Those of us who can remember great victories by small handlers at the Festival know it can be done.
The key here is that the trainer and jockey are factored into his price. If it was a Mullis or Nicholls horse with Ruby Walsh likely to be riding it would be 5/1 fav.
As for 'low-fat-what-a****' just go through nearly every Cheltenham bumper winners form and tell me you couldn't say a similar thing about nearly all of them - many of them had been beaten the time before.
Moscow Mannon has shown a good level of progress with every run and was very impressive the last twice showing a high cruising speed, a willing attitude and being very strong at the end of his races finding plenty for pressure. He has won on good and heavy ground and seems very uncomplicated.
16/1 is a very fair price thats all I'm saying, and, assuming he runs, I bet I can lay off for a healthy free bet on the day so no damage if he loses - thats my kind of bet.
The key here is that the trainer and jockey are factored into his price. If it was a Mullis or Nicholls horse with Ruby Walsh likely to be riding it would be 5/1 fav.As for 'low-fat-what-a****' just go through nearly every Cheltenham bumper winners f
I've thought it for a long time, the bumper will be Mr Ferguson's first ever Cheltenham winner as a trainer. Population looks top draw imo. Great cruising speed, lovelly turn off foot should appreciate the ground come March.
Form of the bumper wins has also turned out very well!
I've thought it for a long time, the bumper will be Mr Ferguson's first ever Cheltenham winner as a trainer. Population looks top draw imo. Great cruising speed, lovelly turn off foot should appreciate the ground come March. Form of the bumper wins h
Another good back to lay is Pique Sous @ 16/1 with Slybet - only 10/1 everywhere else. Not been committed to Cheltenham yet (though Mullins never commits anything until the final dec stage anyway) and if it goes it looks sure to be the Mullins No.1 based on todays impressive performance so sure to go off near favourite.
Thanks WillieAnother good back to lay is Pique Sous @ 16/1 with Slybet - only 10/1 everywhere else. Not been committed to Cheltenham yet (though Mullins never commits anything until the final dec stage anyway) and if it goes it looks sure to be the M
I never said it was good bumper today, and I agree it looked fairly average (other than the winner there was no money for anything), but it's hard to gauge the actual quality with so many first time out horses.
The winner travelled very sweetly, quickened and stayed on well, and Mullins said he expected him to improve again so I just proposed that the 16/1 on Pique Sous with Slybet (10/1 best price elsewhere) would allow for an easy profit if it runs.
Still won't beat Moscow Mannon though
I never said it was good bumper today, and I agree it looked fairly average (other than the winner there was no money for anything), but it's hard to gauge the actual quality with so many first time out horses. The winner travelled very sweetly, quic
some people need to get there information right before you write on this
1/ the jockey has raced along with ruby and davy and Mccoy e.gs before and he has beat them!!he beat ruby and davy a few weeks go at down royal!!
2/ the jockey all so has raced at cheltenham last year
3/ br hamilton has been training for over ten years so i wouldnt call that inexperience also ruby,davy,mccoy all had to start some where as well so y shouldnt the jockey get to ride him hes done well so far!!the trainer has faith in him its not all to do with loyalty
some people need to get there information right before you write on this1/ the jockey has raced along with ruby and davy and Mccoy e.gs before and he has beat them!!he beat ruby and davy a few weeks go at down royal!!2/ the jockey all so has raced at
Ok so just like previously predicted it has been confirmed:- Moscow Mannon, it's trainer and jockey are ALL expecting kittens - congrats to them all!!! Seriously though everyone has to start somewhere guys!!!! And as for racing against the big guns - well they dont always win either!!!!! Remind me again where they all were placed last year???????? exactly!!! Give the bloody guy a chance!!! Besides if you aint happy with the horse, trainer or jockey then DONT bet on it!!!!!! But i will say ive had my good share of winnings from Moscow Mannon! Oh and as for the jockey besides winning on moscow mannon my research has shown he's had 66-1, 50-1 and 33-1 winners - guy must be doing something right!! Anyhow good luck to all you who place a wager on the bumper and if moscow is Ireland's best hope of winning then the bes of Irish luck to it!!!!!!!!!!
Ok so just like previously predicted it has been confirmed:-Moscow Mannon, it's trainer and jockey are ALL expecting kittens - congrats to them all!!!Seriously though everyone has to start somewhere guys!!!! And as for racing against the big guns -
Form Horse Age Owner Trainer 120 ACE FIGHTER PILOT 6 Odds On Racing Jim Best 2-11 ASHES HOUSE (IRE) 6 Diamond Racing Ltd Tim Vaughan 11AT FISHERS CROSS (IRE) 5 Gearoid Costelloe Rebecca Curtis 22B HAKTI (IRE) 5 Mark Rimell Mark Rimell 1 CHAIN REACTOR 6 The Leaflet Company Ltd Warren Greatrex 21 CHAMPAGNE FEVER (IRE) 5 Susannah Ricci Willie Mullins IRE 1 CIRCULAR QUAY 5 Malcolm Denmark Warren Greatrex 11 CLONBANAN LAD (IRE) 6 Edward Walsh Michael O'Connor IRE 1 COOL GEORGE 4 R J Reip Jackie du Plessis 1 FICKLE FORTUNE (IRE) 4 Mr E Banville Noel Meade IRE 0P0(3) GLENWOOD PRESENT (IRE) 5 Nick Elliott Bob Buckler 21 GOD OF THE KOP (IRE) 5 Gearoid Costelloe Rebecca Curtis 3 HORATIO HORNBLOWER (IRE) 4 Huw & Richard Davies Nick Williams 0314 IFANDBUTWHYNOT (IRE) 6 Claire Hollowood & Henry Dean David O'Meara 1 IL PRESIDENTE (GER) 5 Paul Vogt Ian Williams 1 JEZKI (IRE) 4 G M McGrath Jessica Harrington IRE 1 MANY CLOUDS (IRE) 5 Trevor Hemmings Oliver Sherwood 3111 MOSCOW MANNON (IRE) 6 J M Flanagan Brian Hamilton IRE 2-12 MOZOLTOV 6 Martin Lynch Willie Mullins IRE 11 MY INHERITANCE (IRE) 4 Julie Hoskins Tom George 1 MY TENT OR YOURS (IRE) 5 The Happy Campers Nicky Henderson 11 NEW YEAR'S EVE 4 Bloomfields John Ferguson (3)30 PIANO CONCERTO (USA) 5 Buckle, Deal, Garner, Inverdale, Thorner Andy Turnell 31 PIQUE SOUS (FR) 5 Supreme Horse Racing Club Willie Mullins IRE 11 POPULATION 5 Bloomfields John Ferguson (1) REGAL ENCORE (IRE) 4 James Burley & Anthony Honeyball Anthony Honeyball 0(2) RON 4 Russell Trew Ltd Mark Tompkins 1-41 ROYAL GUARDSMAN (IRE) 5 Camilla & Rosie Nock Colin Tizzard 3 SILVER CONCORDE 4 Dr Ronan Lambe Dermot Weld IRE 1111 SIR JOHNSON 6 Steve & Jackie Fleetham Peter Bowen 11 THE NEW ONE (IRE) 4 Mrs S Such Nigel Twiston-Davies 12 THE PAPARRAZI KID (IRE) 5 Byerley Thoroughbred Racing Willie Mullins IRE 22 THE ROMFORD PELE (IRE) 5 Gearoid Costelloe Rebecca Curtis 511 TISTORY (FR) 5 Judy Wilson Nicky Henderson 11 UP TO SOMETHING (FR) 4 E M G Roberts Charlie Longsdon 1-(1) VALDEZ 5 Riverdee Stable Alan King 12 VILLAGE VIC (IRE) 5 Alan Peterson Philip Hobbs 31 VIRGINIA ASH (IRE) 4 J P Romans Colin Tizzard 1 YES WAY HOSAY (IRE) 6 The Casey Partnership Roy Wilson IRE 39 entries 10 Irish-trained
Form Horse Age Owner Trainer120 ACE FIGHTER PILOT 6 Odds On Racing Jim Best2-11 ASHES HOUSE (IRE) 6 Diamond Racing Ltd Tim Vaughan11AT FISHERS CROSS (IRE) 5 Gearoid Costelloe Rebecca Curtis22B HAKTI (IRE) 5 Mark Rimell Mark Rimell1 CHAIN REACTOR 6 Th
Cheltenhams a dream factory. But Moscow mannon is truely up against it!!! against the big boys, the cream always rises to the top, its 13-2 wit b365 too short 4 me, unproven Jockey n trainer I ll pass. Champagne fever is progressive n Willie will hav him firing on all cylinders n charge up the cheltenham hill!!!!
Cheltenhams a dream factory. But Moscow mannon is truely up against it!!! against the big boys, the cream always rises to the top, its 13-2 wit b365 too short 4 me, unproven Jockey n trainer I ll pass. Champagne fever is progressive n Willie will hav
I know this is not an easy race as i should know. as for fav moscow mannon at this price is a no way for me Champagne fever is a far better horse and a far better bet good trainer good jockey good stable so good luck ,as for moscow mannon he has none of these,so my money is on Champagne fever
I know this is not an easy race as i should know. as for fav moscow mannon at this price is a no way for me Champagne fever is a far better horse and a far better bet good trainer good jockey good stable so good luck ,as for moscow mannon he has none
These so called good jockeys (ruby, russell etc) dont ALWAYS win either!!!!!!!! Think Moscow Mannon has a good of chance as any of these big horses you are all naming!!!!!!!! If anyone knows this horse surely its youn lavery as he has ridden to 3 wins!!!!!!!! Its a great opportunity for the young lad and for the Hamilton stables - hope they do well! its an experience for both jockey and trainer and good luck to them!!!!! Even Willie Mullins doesnt always get it right!!!
These so called good jockeys (ruby, russell etc) dont ALWAYS win either!!!!!!!! Think Moscow Mannon has a good of chance as any of these big horses you are all naming!!!!!!!! If anyone knows this horse surely its youn lavery as he has ridden to 3 w
Jezki travelled really well yesterday carrying his winners penalty and did it really well,going was good yesterday which would be a positive at Prestbury Park but I'd have thought they wouldn't have run yesterday if they were going to travel with this horse?
Jezki travelled really well yesterday carrying his winners penalty and did it really well,going was good yesterday which would be a positive at Prestbury Park but I'd have thought they wouldn't have run yesterday if they were going to travel with thi