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hurricane fly .............any ****s in his armour ?
hurricane fly .............any ****s in his armour ?
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What is interesting is that Mullins says that it is more a case of stopping HF from doing too much at home rather than getting the work into him. That would suggest to me that once he turns up in one piece he'd take beating......as you say time will tell
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" Emmett , there's that tommo off the morning line , go get him ta fyk "
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Well, he seems in decent order
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definitely the one to beat
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This is the biggest cert EVER
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After that today on soft ground with a decent pace I'd say he's pretty much unbeatable at 2m.
I wouldn't be backed him at evens Ante post because he's had problems in the past but if he turns up in the Champion Hurdle his true odds are probably around the 2/5 mark. He could have improved since last year and with no Peddlers Cross in the race it's diffcult to envisage anything but an easy victory. |
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Hurricane Fly will be evs - 4/5 the morning of the race imo, when hills/lads/365 get into a price war for extra publicity on the first banker of the festival!
So hold off backing him now imo! Your heard it here first  |
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POssibility of 11/10 even
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Evens on the day would look very large to me. One of the opposition would have to be nearly as good as
Istabraq to have a chance to beat him, possible as one or 2 are still relatively unexposed ,but unlikely. |
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Mark - you were right
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This an awesome animal, begs the question how good is Peddlars Cross ? who made this lads pull out all the stops in the Champion and was the only one anywhere near him ?
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He was awesome alright Strontium, just hope he makes it to CH in one piece now !! Zarkandar & Grandouet need to find an awful lot to trouble what must be the best hurdler since Istabraq....
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Markphisto - best 2m hurdler since Istabraq definitely, Big Bucks I think could retire the best hurdler of all time.
Peddlers Cross may yet turn up for the champion hurdle, he has two massive challengers in the Arkle in Al Ferof and Sprinter Sacre, what would you do ? |
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They always saw PC as a chaser so would be surprised if they went back hurdling yet, particularily after that performance from The Fly today ! Have to forgive him his last run IMO and remains a horse of huge potential. Would love to see HF take on BB over 2 1/2M at Aintree. Can't see it happening but think The Fly would murder him !!
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that would be some race big bucks ,hurricane fly .....how would you price that up .......throw in oscar whiskey and 1,000 stars ,binocular,
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I think HF would thrash him over 2m4f too.
BB is all about stamina. |
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Not sure about that CCM. BB does indeed have bags of stamina but he also has both great cruising speed and tactical speed. I'd back him to beat HF over 2 1/2 miles and I'd back him to beat most (maybe all) the top flat horses over that trip as well. I'd love to see him in the Ascot Gold Cup this summer.
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What a thought Stront,BB in the Ascot Gold Cup.Would love to see it too.Has nIcholls ever ran one his on the flat?
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Ascot Gold Cup - could probably have been won by a bunch of NH horses over the years, the problem is training horses for the race when their natural work season would be Sept to April, keeping a horse on the go until June would mean bypassing Autumn and effectively starting the season in Jan/Feb at a guess...
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Not sure but he has recently taken out a flat licence.
However, in his book he says an ambition is to train a 2 year old winner and I believe he also wants to train horses for his daughter to ride on the flat - so that could be why he got the flat licence. |
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Not sure but he has recently taken out a flat licence.
However, in his book he says an ambition is to train a 2 year old winner and I believe he also wants to train horses for his daughter to ride on the flat - so that could be why he got the flat licence. |
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Yes, true horse, but it would be an option for BB of he breaks the record at Chelt and Aintree. I can't really see it happening though.
On a similar theme, many of the big Frence races are in summer and the prize money is so huge I wonder why more UK owners/trainers don't try for them. Well I do, it's the absolute dominance of Cheltenham, but it's a shame. |
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Of course Rite of Passage did win the AGC a couple of years ago after placing in the Neptune.
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big bucks always does just enough and seems to have plenty left in the locker a good few times he has looked as though he will struggle and then he just cruises up and puts the race to bed ,so wouldnt be sure hurricane fly would beat him .
think the old boy is taking the p*ss to be honest ...........seems like hes saying to himself go on dynaste...........youve got me cooked here look im struggling, then he cruises past him. he used to hit a flat spot a feew years back ,dont even do that now . |
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It would be very interesting to know which Ruby thinks would win/would choose to ride.
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It'd be certainly be interesting if Big Bucks and Hurricane Fly met over 2m4f. I'd back the Fly if that happened I reckon. At evens I don't think he's an antepost bet yet, given his failure to make the festival twice. However, if I can get that price on the day, I reckon I'll be having my biggest bet ever. Surely he can't be beat.
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Rite of Passage did win it but he was a duel code horse anyway I think, he certainly won a Nov h'cap and I'm sure ran Fame and Glory quite close last Summer...
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RoP started in bumpers, was fav for the Cheltenham bumper but ran below form, then switched to the flat storming home in a fast time in the Irish Nov Hcp, before his brief hurdles career, then going on to glory at Ascot.
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Dunguib went by RoP in the Chelt bumper like RoP was a selling plater. WM said he did not want to run HF on the flat as it would buzz him up too much. There is not a chance in hell of getting evens on 13th March although the bookies are great at buzzing something up to get money on them against the hot-pots like in the case of Big Bucks.
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RoP isn't at his best at Cheltenham but also ran way, way below his subsequent flat form at Punchestown the next month. Pretty clear in retrospect that RoP wasn't the horse he was to become and Dunguib was very flattered.
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i couldn't even begin to think that BB would have any chance against HF over 2 1/2....BB outstays his rivals over 3 any drop in distance must compromise his performance, over 2 1/2 HF still possesses bags of speed.
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As HF has won over 2 and half,and is a Champion Hurdler,i dont think its a contest up against a staying hurdler over that distance.
Reckon Nicholls and co would know that anyway. Hes had the chance to run in the Aintree Hurdle past few years and each time they have chosen the far easier option of 3m,and lets face it,Big Bucks IS a staying hurdler. Dont think Royal Ascot would be a contest either. |
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Was a phenomenal performance and worth waiting half a season for. The horse just ate up the ground coming to two out and has demolished a grade 1 field. Grandouet and Zarkander are going to have to be rated 173+ for them to win at Cheltenham and I can't see it myself. Think HF will have 10 pounds in hand on the big day. Jumping was excellent as usual. Bring on 13th March.
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Love how this thread blured out C H I N K
But what a horse he is, the only thing that can stop him at Cheltenham is an actual hurricane trashing the course and it being called off....Hope the layers who made him 4/5 yesterday get stuck in again at Chelt..Holidays on the hurricaneeeeee, come fly with meeeeeeee |