Pretty much agree with all of that,think the horse has had undeserved criticism.
Whether he proves to be top class over fences is open to doubt of course,but his only chase to date was good i thought,till the last,and will be very interested to watch him next time.

I explained in my post that in my opinion there were very good reasons to believe the two pieces of form that people thought entitled Menorah to be short in the betting were in fact very weak. The Greatwood 2010 never worked out, barely another horse done anything out of that and he won off a mark of 151 which is more relevant than 11 stone 12... and he won by a neck. Beating Cue Card who was a novice turned out to be worth even less and I stated that he was 5th in the Topspeed ratings. All the clues were there. I did not base anything on form after the Bula and did not crab the horse in any way.

Plenty of people said "Menorah deserves to be favourite based on form" well I said I thought the form was no good and that the horse would not even reach the frame. I did not get lucky, I did not guess, I made an assessment of the relative strength of the form and came to a conclusion which turned out to be pretty accurate.

and as for people taking the piss and saying "enough is enough" well fck you. Who do you think you are? The fecking headmaster telling the kids how to behave? I will say what I want and I wont be told to **** up by you ta very mu

Then some **** says "tell that to Katchit" as if that freak win (when SE was trading ODDS ON in running before going lame) disproves the stat. What are we supposed to forget how many 5 year olds have run in the CH and got beaten just coz one of them fluked a win?

and then the classic "thanks, I've been at the game for years and know all the stats backwards" - so you have nothing to learn then clever clogs, you know all there is and can't learn from anyone else? So why you on a forum then if you dont need to share and learn.

You guys ought to go spend a few months on the OLBG forum and see how they work together to improve their knowledge rather than attacking fellow FMs. You might learn something

sheesh

Well I think the Greatwood in which Bothy running off of 127 and had had a prep race is good form, who then followed up with seconds in the totegold trophy off of 138 and then second to a very well handicapped horse in the Coral cup off of 140 is top stuff..

Any Given Day who was beaten 6 1/2 lengths was second to Karabak in a Grade 2 next time and has shown to be decent and won a handicap this year off 155, so thats good..

Olofi beaten 7 lengths was second again this year..

Get me out of here was thrashed..although he wasn't trying..

Orssippus was thrashed and was third in Coral Cup..

General Miller has run well in good races thrashed..Sanctuaire won a Scottish Champ hurdle off of a 4lb higher mark..all these horses he gave weight and a beating...are they all bad???


You talk so much Garbage Judorick and get all your info by reading Paul Jones book and then decide which horse fits the criteria..you don't actually read form...

And as to your argument about 5 year olds in the Champion Hurdle just tell us all how many have tried and how many had any chance going into the race??

I don't need you to tell me, cause I know, which flaws your pathetic argument..

And if you are a follower of top speed ratings you are also a mug they are garbage....they are just plucked from the air along with most of your dialogue...

Just answer me one question Judorick??? How many 5 year olds have tried to win the Champion Hurdle down the years?? How many had a chance?? being a Trends man you will know this straight off the cuff...

Judo.
Trouble is you come across as rather condescending in your posts,and talk to people as if by reading a fecking book you know more than anyone else.
You keep chucking stats and trends around as if we dont know about them.
Most people do know,just dont use them so matter of factly as you seem to,and dont want it shoved at them all the time.

Then some **** says "tell that to Katchit"

Judorick was there any need to call me that christ it was a light hearted comment. I'm afraid that is out of order and sadly I have banned you as I feel swearing at a total stranger marks you down as a troubled indivual for me.

he ain't T O F T Y IS HE....THAT WOULD BE A BLAST FROM THE PAST.

its not good think of the most hated figure from past years...

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judorick     11 Dec 11 14:11 
actually fellas in last years Arkle my bet was a maximum lay in win and place of Ghizao precisely because his hurdle form was way out of line with the others (was rated 135 or something) and was 4/1 SP which was way too short. I often use such the trends to do lays like that rather than backing 1 or two to win.

first of many i believe. 


he's all over aftertimers thread.

youve guessed it celtic son has a double account

Well no talk of Menorah on here which is surprising??

Have to say I was slightly more taken by his performance on saturday than I was at Taunton...

Thought Will Hills reaction to push him out to 16's after the race was a huge blunder for me not saying the horse is going to win but he jumped much better and is now starting to go in the right direction again...still think he will be a big danger with a decent lead to keep him interested and better ground in the Arkle...Also think he is going to be better going left handed...Be interesting if he goes to Warwick because I'd say he would meet Sprinter...Just wonder whether he would dodge that just to get another confidence booster??

I have to say tom he is annoying me this thing...am very tempted to load the trigger but have same reservations...just think he will jump better against better company, just whether he still has the class...would like to see him out soon then freshened up for the festival...right handed again then we can look forward to the real horse in the one that matters...he can certainly jump and is tough which will stand him in good stead...

You maybe right though, is he just smart? or can he step up again and be top class like he was as a progressive hurdler not 1 season ago?

Ye the same tom...

Well for me this sprinter is going to have to do it in the ruck and has learnt nothing yet on that front...Peddlers at 6's is still big after he pulled muscles and although his banger run against the henderson horse didn't look much at the time minella was going strongly (4 out admittedly) against cue card to make the form look better than at first glance, but I have to say have a huge amount of respect for cue card and think he has the best form on show so far..others will argue but he is looking tougher and should be respected despite the man on top..and the head carriage...the more you go through the race the more questions occur...starting to not like for a betting medium as much as i try...maybe a race to play in running after they have jumped a couple??

Annoying

gonna add this fella to my arkle portfolio ! been thinking about this one for a few weeks now and there are  doubts around his jumping but he is a classy animal and had very good hurdles form beating cue card, silviniaco conte, stays well  and one you would want  to have in the trenches with you . shortish price for the champion hurdle last year and with a fast pace guaranteed in the arkle he could get into a rhythm behind the leaders and battle on up the hill and although he has been tipped by pricewise he is still a decent price due to concerns over his jumping .
im going for a positive veiw on his jumping ,had briesner around and may have sorted him out and at the prices a bit of meat still left on the bone .