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Just a bit of fun thread for people to discuss or even guess what these may be for the 2012 festival.As the season goes on we can hopefully unearth 1 or 2 "dark uns" that might be worth a tickle at tasty prices.
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Noble alan, if he can sort out his jumping, will surely win a good race over 2m4f.
Pipey doesn't plot that won Steaky, he just comes alive every year at the Festival for some reason unbeknown to him 
Barbatos for Ian Williams.Think this horse will fulfill his potential this year.Whether it will be at cheltenham is another story but can see him going close in a few of the major handicap hurdles this year.
i'll give you one for later on...fishoutofwater...fell first time up when being trotted round out the back.....today it was practically tailed off after the first fence....trotted round to finish last ....could be because it's useless...but i doubt it and it is a mcmanus horse after all
Daves dream for the Johnny Henderson Grand Annual Chase.Has an exceptional record fresh so will not be suprised if he is put away for the festival after a highly eyecatching reappearence in saturdays Paddy Power Gold Cup.After travelling into the race like a serious horse he patently failed to see out the distance(has attempted the trip on four occasions before and been beaten a total of 184 lengths in the four runs) when dropped back to the minimum i'm convinced he has a major race within him.N J Henderson lays one out for this every year i believe this could be his one for 2012
Probably Magic Carpet, but its about as Dark as a Polar Bear with a pot of Dulux thats giving an Iceberg a lick of paint
Bellvano & also have a feeling Aigle Dor may win a nice pot when he comes out
Oscar Dan Dan Nap
Prob win the Irish National tho rather than at the festival
Prob win the Irish National tho rather than at the festival
Notus De La Tour for the Old Jewson if they can look after his h/cap mark
Im sure they will FFT, hes on for the Plumpton bonus too.
SUNNYHILL BOY is a winner waiting to happen that i have no doubt,if there's a horse in jonjo's going to be plotted up this is it YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED !!!
So could sunnyhill win tomorrow with the 10lb claimer on?
Quantitiveasing for the 3m handicap chase at the festival. Daves Dream for the Grand annual.
St Nick
I thought Sunnyhill Boy was THE Jonjo handicap plot horse at this year's festival and bet accordingly - we all know what happened
I thought Sunnyhill Boy was THE Jonjo handicap plot horse at this year's festival and bet accordingly - we all know what happened
I think we all thought Sunnyhill was the plot horse last year!
He must win something decent soon!
He must win something decent soon!
the jigger 31 Oct 11 00:44
Barbatos for Ian Williams.Think this horse will fulfill his potential this year.Whether it will be at cheltenham is another story but can see him going close in a few of the major handicap hurdles this year.
I was under the impression that Ian Williams was supposed to be a shrewd trainer.Well he has absolutely destroyed this horses handicap mark by finishing 2nd to Fingal Bay and has got a 12lb rise for doing so.He could easily have won a big handicap off of his previous mark of 125.What a ****in clown.
Barbatos for Ian Williams.Think this horse will fulfill his potential this year.Whether it will be at cheltenham is another story but can see him going close in a few of the major handicap hurdles this year.
I was under the impression that Ian Williams was supposed to be a shrewd trainer.Well he has absolutely destroyed this horses handicap mark by finishing 2nd to Fingal Bay and has got a 12lb rise for doing so.He could easily have won a big handicap off of his previous mark of 125.What a ****in clown.
Aachen ran reasonably well yesterday and was well fancied at the last festival,could run well at huge odds i reckon
Must be some more eyecatchers guys,come on now
agree with Ben, Gilbarry is being plotted. sure they paid 100k for it end of last season. Dave's Dream has a big race in him, fresh over 2m, so maybe grand annual. and notus de la tour probably being plotted as just off very top class and with that plumpton bonus in mind it would be worth it!
Im not going to stop backing Gilbarry until it wins.
I thought the 70k 1st place prize money LTO was enough to tempt a proper run but he was dropped out the back again.
Time to get this back near the top.Anymore for anymore???
Crack Away Jack for me in the Grand Annual.....came back well in his first race for Nicholls....finishing well after clouting the 3rd last at Cheltenham.....nice price at 20s
Did you see Consiglieri today, I though Pipe was going to mess about with him till the festival then out of the blue he does that beating things he was struggling against a few weeks ago by 20 lengths come on! We don't stand a chance.
recession Proof will have a chance in the Coral Cup especially if the ground is on the soft side.He won the Totesport last year on his 4th start over hurdles after looking likely to win easily but not doing much when hitting the front against seasoned handicappers.He is a 2 miler on the flat and probaly needs closer to 3 miles over hurdles having already won over 2 and a half on heavy at Lingfield.We ran him in the supreme last year when he got outpaced from the top of the hill then finished best of them all only beaten 8 lenghts and would have been much closer over a furlong further.
He will reappear in a handicap in february but has had a tendon problem and should likley get beaten and keep his handicap mark for Cheltenham. if he wins in february he will probably go for the world hurdle but more likely he will still be off 146 or so and go for the Coral where he will be fancied by connections.A strong gallop sitting just off the pace will suit him very well.
He will reappear in a handicap in february but has had a tendon problem and should likley get beaten and keep his handicap mark for Cheltenham. if he wins in february he will probably go for the world hurdle but more likely he will still be off 146 or so and go for the Coral where he will be fancied by connections.A strong gallop sitting just off the pace will suit him very well.
STS, that's what I was thinking when I put him up, thought he was going to wait until Cheltenham. I bet him yesterday, but nothing major.
I bet him for The Plate before the race, but I get the feeling that ain't where he'll be going now, and his price didn't change much after the race anyway.
I bet him for The Plate before the race, but I get the feeling that ain't where he'll be going now, and his price didn't change much after the race anyway.
I'm sure that American Trilogy is being prepared for the Byrne Group Plate. He might need to win to get into the race, but he'd be running off just about bottom weight, and I think he'd have a good chance if he has a nice confidence booster first.
Pretty sure the Pipe's are d1cking about with Kazlian to get him in on a decent mark for the Fred Winter.
Think he'll have an educational run down the field somewhere next time out, a) to keep his price down b) to keep his handicap mark down and c) to sort out his jumping a bit more, then WALLOP......
Think he'll have an educational run down the field somewhere next time out, a) to keep his price down b) to keep his handicap mark down and c) to sort out his jumping a bit more, then WALLOP......
Keep an eye on Toner Doudaries for last years Coral Cup winning egg Gordan Elliot. Has a couple of interesting pieces of form this season behind the likes of Steps2Freedon and Unaccompanied. He didn't run too badly lto in 6th, and noticed he was a mover in the ante-post markets for the CC.
Kazlian runs in the first at Leicester today Roger ..
Barwell Bridge in Pertemps, ran ok last year behind Buena Vista no price quoted yet.
Declared for Warwick this w-end.
Declared for Warwick this w-end.
KAzlian hacked up there today Roger. Not even off the bridle.
Yeah
Still time for another run along the lines outlined.
Still time for another run along the lines outlined.
Reizovic is the one I have been watching very closely. Not sure what race they will aim him at, but he's got a big one in him imo.
I liked the look of Kazlian myself to complete the bonus by winning the imperial cup and the the Fred Winter!! Get Me Out Of Here... CORAL cup who else knows??
Todays 14.30 at Warwick may well provide a few more clues
6 Weeks and counting guys,come on,dont go keeping them all to yourselves
Approaching last orders folks,lets have some more please
Reizovic is either very lazy and untalented or a plot horse. Having said that, while watching his race at Leopardstown over Christmas, I had the feeling that none of the jockeys actually wanted to win. Has this happened before?
was looking at that one today bobby... jumps very nicely
Whats this thing of Nicholls' that they have apparantly kept in its stable to protect its handicap mark? Uck somat or other
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Bellvano's run the other day STUNK of plot.
#justsaying
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Bellvano's run the other day STUNK of plot.
#justsaying
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Bellvano's run the other day STUNK of plot.
#justsaying
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Bellvano's run the other day STUNK of plot.
#justsaying
Masterminded 16 Nov 11 16:36
Bellvano & also have a feeling Aigle Dor may win a nice pot when he comes out
Beat you to it Dan ;)
Bellvano & also have a feeling Aigle Dor may win a nice pot when he comes out
Beat you to it Dan ;)
A few good winners here
Bellvano, Alfie Sherrin, Salut Flo, Teaforthree
WD
Bellvano, Alfie Sherrin, Salut Flo, Teaforthree
WD
Festival over and another great week of winners and great runs for money.
Having scoured this forum for months leading up to the week, it's been some effort from the folk on here.
Any mug could have spotted Sprinter as a star, or that Long Run was not the same horse as last year.
But to those who, among a long list of nuggets on this and other threads, spotted that...
The Package was a great ew shout coming back in the JLT before the gamble started.
That Simonsig was a superstar before he even stepped into Seven Barrows.
Salut Flo was being plotted us for the Plate when he was 20-1.
Divers the same at the identical price.
GMOOH would be going Coral Cup at a new ew price at that point.
That Alderwood's prep 'effort' was worth a second glance ahead of the Festival.
That Bellvano's plan was the Grand Annual and was being plotted up as such.
You could go on and with other superb little pieces of information throughout the winter for all of the races which could only have helped.
For those, for whatever reason, who cannot see the racing day-in and day-out and can't keep on top of every single thing, it's priceless.
For every simpleton who goes onto the forum and talks junk, there are two with genuine views and great advice.
I'm sure plenty of people had their coffers boosted with some of the clues.
Well done. Keep it up for 2013.
Having scoured this forum for months leading up to the week, it's been some effort from the folk on here.
Any mug could have spotted Sprinter as a star, or that Long Run was not the same horse as last year.
But to those who, among a long list of nuggets on this and other threads, spotted that...
The Package was a great ew shout coming back in the JLT before the gamble started.
That Simonsig was a superstar before he even stepped into Seven Barrows.
Salut Flo was being plotted us for the Plate when he was 20-1.
Divers the same at the identical price.
GMOOH would be going Coral Cup at a new ew price at that point.
That Alderwood's prep 'effort' was worth a second glance ahead of the Festival.
That Bellvano's plan was the Grand Annual and was being plotted up as such.
You could go on and with other superb little pieces of information throughout the winter for all of the races which could only have helped.
For those, for whatever reason, who cannot see the racing day-in and day-out and can't keep on top of every single thing, it's priceless.
For every simpleton who goes onto the forum and talks junk, there are two with genuine views and great advice.
I'm sure plenty of people had their coffers boosted with some of the clues.
Well done. Keep it up for 2013.
Echo that Gravy and well done and thanks for all contributions to everyone
Albion Dan
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Bellvano's run the other day STUNK of plot.
You knew,WD
16 Nov 11 18:29 Joined: 08 Apr 06 | Topic/replies: 685 | Blogger: Albion Dan's blog
Bellvano's run the other day STUNK of plot.
You knew,WD
As a (relative) newbie to horse racing, how does one successfully identify a plot horse?
Gravy - well said sir!
Some excellent suggestions on here, and I for one think it's hard enough for 'one of us' to pinpoint a target nowadays with the addition of many other handicaps, and to even get a run, and beat the on the day best prices is a big achievement!
Maybe I'm gonna have to alter my betting strategies in the future after reading this really informative thread.
I've always had an aversion for Jonjo's nags (which is idiotic as they bolt in at decent odds when the money's down) and constantly have me flapping!
As I mentioned on another thread...I noticed Alderwood's 'effort' on the day, even without a bet in the race, and I forgot about it
I mentioned Bellvano on another, and as someone told me he was missing Cheltenham for Aintree (and I subsequently heard something similar too) I was surprised to see him make the line up - he reminded me very much of Andreas who bolted up in the same race a few years ago for me at 20/1, though as everyone knows...a bit more quirky.
These trainers seem to be putting us away even more than they have done over the decades, and it's only because of the media under their hooters that it's becoming increasingly evident.
Next year...I'm gonna keep a close eye on these kind of threads and I'm gonna be backing & laying as soon as the markets get under way for the handicaps.
There have been some fantastic observations on here, and considering the vast majority actually suggested the right races (as well as the results) is well worth mentioning.
It's still gonna be really difficult for me to change my spots and BACK an O'Neill nag, but I will try to keep them on my side in future, in not laying them!
I've been into this game nearly as long as Henderson's been training, and until a couple of years ago, I naively figured he was as straight as any stable
He's got an impressive portfolio over the last few seasons that rivals Jonjo's for chicanery, and the evidence has become damning
One again...congrats to the many who helped out with their long-range observations, and it shouldn't be overlooked that the more information we have access to nowadays, the more difficult these conundrums become.
For me...the best of the lot was Salut Flo (O'Neill's & Henderson's are telegraphed) as it's impossible for me to price up one of these runners, and I always seem to be bitten by them as a layer
Some excellent suggestions on here, and I for one think it's hard enough for 'one of us' to pinpoint a target nowadays with the addition of many other handicaps, and to even get a run, and beat the on the day best prices is a big achievement!
Maybe I'm gonna have to alter my betting strategies in the future after reading this really informative thread.
I've always had an aversion for Jonjo's nags (which is idiotic as they bolt in at decent odds when the money's down) and constantly have me flapping!
As I mentioned on another thread...I noticed Alderwood's 'effort' on the day, even without a bet in the race, and I forgot about it
I mentioned Bellvano on another, and as someone told me he was missing Cheltenham for Aintree (and I subsequently heard something similar too) I was surprised to see him make the line up - he reminded me very much of Andreas who bolted up in the same race a few years ago for me at 20/1, though as everyone knows...a bit more quirky.
These trainers seem to be putting us away even more than they have done over the decades, and it's only because of the media under their hooters that it's becoming increasingly evident.
Next year...I'm gonna keep a close eye on these kind of threads and I'm gonna be backing & laying as soon as the markets get under way for the handicaps.
There have been some fantastic observations on here, and considering the vast majority actually suggested the right races (as well as the results) is well worth mentioning.
It's still gonna be really difficult for me to change my spots and BACK an O'Neill nag, but I will try to keep them on my side in future, in not laying them!
I've been into this game nearly as long as Henderson's been training, and until a couple of years ago, I naively figured he was as straight as any stable
He's got an impressive portfolio over the last few seasons that rivals Jonjo's for chicanery, and the evidence has become damning
One again...congrats to the many who helped out with their long-range observations, and it shouldn't be overlooked that the more information we have access to nowadays, the more difficult these conundrums become.
For me...the best of the lot was Salut Flo (O'Neill's & Henderson's are telegraphed) as it's impossible for me to price up one of these runners, and I always seem to be bitten by them as a layer
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Probably Magic Carpet, but its about as Dark as a Polar Bear with a pot of Dulux thats giving an Iceberg a lick of paint"
An appropriate metaphor more pertinent with one of Jonjo's
Anything you can help us with as regards this nag, who hasn't even been seen since September '08
Unraced over jumps too
16 Nov 11 15:46 Joined: 05 Oct 03 | Topic/replies: 9,043 | Blogger: zilzal1's blog
Probably Magic Carpet, but its about as Dark as a Polar Bear with a pot of Dulux thats giving an Iceberg a lick of paint"
An appropriate metaphor more pertinent with one of Jonjo's
Anything you can help us with as regards this nag, who hasn't even been seen since September '08
Unraced over jumps too
Magic Carpet was the name of the forumite that suggested Daves Dream
in the very reply above mine
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