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Do we know if Somersby is being lined up for the Ryanir or the Gold Cup?
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it will probably be decided the day before declarations are due knowing henrietta.
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Depends which days the owner can attend doesn't it?
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Wasn't the owner suffering from a serious illness?
If so that's a bit uncalled for. |
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I didn't mean it to be unpleasant, though reading it back it could be taken that way, for which I apologise. You are right that the owner's medical treatment meant she could attend one day of the Festival but not another, which is why he ran where he did this year.
I.e. the owner has other considerations above which race the horse will run in, which mean it may not be aimed at a particular race in the conventional way. So the horse is a poor antepost bet because its plans have a big, extra uncertainty. |
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I still think Somersby is a two-mile horse. Just not quite a top notch one. Does not improve for 2m4
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Cheltenham will probably announce a 2 1/4 mile championship race soon, so all not lost yet.
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cant we have an all grey horse race at cheltenham. always good when you are pi55ed
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I still think we should have a race with alternating hurdles + fences, over two and a half miles, with the course heavily watered in some places and artificially dried in others. And instead of going just left handed, they do the first mile and a quarter right handed, do an about turn and finish as per normal
This would define the ultimate all round horse imo |
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^ No flaming hoops to jump through?
 Disappointing |
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Somersby's best form is right handed with victory in the King Henry V111 Novice Chase. I'd go to the Tingle Creek, King George, miss Cheltenham and take in Punchestown over 2 miles to round off his campaign.
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that henry V111 novice chase run takes high rank in my list of "races where you first thought that you had seen a budding new champion .....but didn't " race
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actually...this is an idea for a thread of it's own.
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I still think we should have a race with alternating hurdles + fences, over two and a half miles, with the course heavily watered in some places and artificially dried in others. And instead of going just left handed, they do the first mile and a quarter right handed, do an about turn and finish as per normal
This would define the ultimate all round horse imo Apart from the 2.5 miles bit, you've just defined the Velka Pardubicka that I had the pleasure of attending in the flesh a fortnight ago. It's just nuts! BTW There was flat racing there on the Saturday with the Czech St Leger the main race. Guess who is plying his trade out there these days? Only Gary Hind! |
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Somersby has no form to speak of around Cheltenham, other than his 2nd to Sizing Europe in the 2009 Arkle, but the winner aside the strength of that race can be questioned.
Not one i'll be giving any consideration to around Prestbury Park this season, and agree with 'booster', if you want to catch this horse then look at right handed tracks and small fields. Price is sure to be reflective however so you won't get rich following him. |
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king george written all over him.
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dwm767 Joined: 07 May 06
Replies: 555 26 Oct 11 11:43 Somersby has no form to speak of around Cheltenham, other than his 2nd to Sizing Europe in the 2009 Arkle, but the winner aside the strength of that race can be questioned. Sizing Europe beat him in 2010 |
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Would run him in the Ryannair myself,after a bash at the King George.
Did ok today,not sure how good 1833 is,but he beat him readily enough. |
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Ah yeah, cheers Howdi.
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No hope in the QM so boys (33's)
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I'd shoot this habitual loser..horse doesn't want to know.
He will never win a top prize this rechid beast.. Every time the gun is put to his head he makes a mistake.. Get the shot gun out..put those poor punters, who believe henrietta, can still train out of their misery.. |
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pr1ck
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Lol- needs trying at 3m atleast
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Very interesting horse for the KG in my opinion. Was at Sandown when he won the Henry VIII and right-handed (Sandown & Kempton) seems to suit.
Around 20/1 I think for Boxing Day. |
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Great opportunity for this horrible horse to win a good one tomorrow...
But will he find a way to lose it and throw it away??? These are the questions we have to ask ourselves... I'd say this habitual loser will find a way.... he always does... |
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harry it's clear being a habitual loser is a trait you and Somersby share in common.
He'll win tomorrow though |
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^
 They do say you can never hate the flaws of others as much as you can hate them in yourself!And yes, I think he wins here. Hardly the horse's fault that he's been running in Grade One races over the wrong trip for the past 18 months. |
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ooh dear what a poor show
what are they gonna do now? |
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watching that it ll be the 4 miler !! how he had the speed to run well in the 2m novice hurdles i ll never know. looks to me like a big, lumbering,gangly slow old boat now. ive always liked the horse and he is stunning to look at in the flesh but that didnt look great...the weather with the high winds dont help but im afraid he ll now be ticked off my punting list.
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Tomdeane and (you know your stuff Mr Mischief)...i will accept an apology mischief??
Well this rechid horse has found a way again... Awful awful horse this thing.. As soon as the pressure was applied 3 out, a mistake, he doesn't want to know... If there is a way to lose, this habitual failure will find a way... I pity those that still believe he is a good horse...a rogue this thing... Still if you a layer..thank you very much... |
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Well, what can I say? He was very disappointing. You're right - he went from tanking to nothing and then plugged on again when it was too late.
I had convinced myself he just couldn't go with the speedsters when they kicked over two miles and still don't believe he has that turn of foot that you need over that distance. But, no excuses today - he either didn't want to know or wasn't good enough. |
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I do not know what is wrong with this creature?
I agree he looks like a good horse, until he is put under the maximum pressure.. There is only one plausible thing I can say, either the horse is an absolute mut, which is likely or he runs to me like a horse with a breathing problem. Have seen it in many, they hit the flat spot then run on again.. Now if this proves to be the case and he proves to be the horse everyone thinks he is (except myself) then I will hold my hands up.. But for now, he is tripless, chucks it in when pressure is applied and is trained by a woman who shouldn't be training.. I would love to be proved wrong as I was with the rotting corpse that was Pigeon Island.. Keep believing.... |
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yup needs to be moved to a decent yard
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i dont think somersbys remotely ungenuine , ive always said hes a tripless one pacer but of a high grade.i would say that the nearest thing he has to a trip is 2 and a half miles but i think hes still gonna have just the single pace, hes not always the greatest of jumpers either is he.it probably doesnt help that hes been highly overated from day one.
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i dont think somersbys remotely ungenuine , ive always said hes a tripless one pacer but of a high grade.i would say that the nearest thing he has to a trip is 2 and a half miles but i think hes still gonna have just the single pace, hes not always the greatest of jumpers either is he.it probably doesnt help that hes been highly overated from day one.
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there is a chance that he is really an out and out stayer. He might want 3 miles 2 furlong plus up to 4miles. Hen is just such a scaredy cat and won't stress them
it was clear from the Arkle he needed a trip and he shoulda been running at 3 miles plus ever since. He might not be one paced at those distances |
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He did finish 2nd to one of the best 2m chasers i have ever seen,so he must have something.
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Never thought this horse needed more than 2 miles myself, just not up to the top level. Perhaps the Charity race on the Thursday is his best chance for victory
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