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25 Sep 11
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i dont think grandouet would have won, i just think hes a strong traveller (not too desimilar to finians rainbow).
on that point, i wouldnt take much notice of the aintree race! also i think sam winner and unaccompanied could be good enough. time will tell i suppose!
i dont think any other trainer has a hope in hell either, i suppose that goes without saying?
on that point, i wouldnt take much notice of the aintree race! also i think sam winner and unaccompanied could be good enough. time will tell i suppose!
i dont think any other trainer has a hope in hell either, i suppose that goes without saying?
Spirit Son is better than that run in the Supreme. He will be the Fly's main danger this year if there is one.
we will see in the not too distant future
Not too sure. Maybe Christmas Hurdle? I think Spirit Son's quite likely to turn up for Fighting Fifth
itll be an interesting years racing as ever anyhow! nicky is always good with the hurdlers!
Bula yes, and Spirit will not have to work for it IMO, unless he puts Binocular in it. Be interesting to see if Huricane comes - besides him, and with a question mark against Binocular, most are going over fences - Menorah, Peddlars, Cue Card (I think), Al F, Sprinter, Solwhit, and Oscar over further. I am bound to have missed a few out there. Sam Winner's last couple of runs looked bad. The Triumph suggested he wanted a trip, Aintree suggest he was OTT. I think fences and a trip will help.
nicholls reckons hes an arkle horse, looks like further would suit sam winner too
Add Jump City to the list of Nicholls' horses. Seems quite sweet on it (with cut in the ground).
I will be following it closely, hopefully it's not another Brampour.
I will be following it closely, hopefully it's not another Brampour.
You're correct on the jockeys issue reve in hindsight.
Very strange that in 6 months Binocular has gone from 3-1 fav for Champion hurdle to the forgotten horse.
He is a flat bred by Enrique, he isn't really supposed to last to be fair.
binocular is incredibly frustrating, maybe hes no good when his system is clean, if you get my drift
aye, he could well be just on the way down now though, in fact, I'd say its more likey than not that he is, but there isn't much depth in the 2 mile hurdling division in England so he might still nick a few races.
paul nicholls is evens with paddy powers, its hard to get excited about a price like that but its better value than 5/4 njh anyhow i think
I agree, Nicholls is fiercely competitive and he will have stockpiled the best prospects around last summer, he knows his stable stars are on the wain, I don't think henderson has that same ruthless streak, Nicholls fought like a scabby dog who hadn't eaten in weeks to win the title and he will not give it up without one hell of a fight.
Does it go on number of winners or prize money?
Prize money, thankfully. If it had been the other, Henderson would have won last yr I think.
Very interesting thread this one - for what it's worth I am very much in the Spirit Son rather than with Zarkandar, although I suspect neither will be a match for the Hurricane.
However, as we know he has had a history of problems and although he looks (fingers crossed) to be over them, it would not be that surprising to see him miss the Festival again. Given that Peddlers is going chasing, as are a lot of last season's better novices, I would be surprised if Oscar Whisky is not targeted at the Champion - at least until we have seen more of the other contenders. Very high cruising speed, probably still open to a little improvement, and not much to find to win a Champion (if the Hurricane were to miss out).
However, as we know he has had a history of problems and although he looks (fingers crossed) to be over them, it would not be that surprising to see him miss the Festival again. Given that Peddlers is going chasing, as are a lot of last season's better novices, I would be surprised if Oscar Whisky is not targeted at the Champion - at least until we have seen more of the other contenders. Very high cruising speed, probably still open to a little improvement, and not much to find to win a Champion (if the Hurricane were to miss out).
spirit son beating zarkander wont settle the trainers title 
What if he beats him (and wins) the Bula, Christmas Hurdle, Champion Hurdle, and Aintree Hurdle? (I'm joking, of course, though not about him finishing in front of Zarkander!).
nicholls will know where he is with him, and i very much doubt al ferof is better than zarkandar. if he was then hed be going for the champion hurdle surely!
Finians Rainbow has had the better of Ghizao so far.
Spirit Son i am confident will have a better season than Zarkander.
Sprinter Sacre and Al Ferof is hard to judge till they have jumped a fence.
Oscar Whiskey will imo prove to be the best horse that Big Bucks has faced over 3m hurdles.
Long Run is better than any 3m chaser that Nicholls has.
Not sure how much all of that will affect the trainers championship,but if i had to bet it would be Henderson.
Wont be betting though.
Spirit Son i am confident will have a better season than Zarkander.
Sprinter Sacre and Al Ferof is hard to judge till they have jumped a fence.
Oscar Whiskey will imo prove to be the best horse that Big Bucks has faced over 3m hurdles.
Long Run is better than any 3m chaser that Nicholls has.
Not sure how much all of that will affect the trainers championship,but if i had to bet it would be Henderson.
Wont be betting though.
shi1t odds on it, definately not worth betting.
i think ghizao is better than fr, having said that im judging by their aintree run where form isnt always reliable. youll remember ruby tried to deck ghizao when coming with what looked like a winning challenge!
i think theres no reason to believe spirits son is better than zarkandar, and al ferof was a better hurdler than sprinter sacre. theyre both bred for chasing and nicholls chasers tend to improve a bit on their hurdling form, so i think it will be very hard for sprinter to surpass al ferof at chasing!
i think oscar whiskey will stay 3 miles, but im not sure the henderson camp think so. ive heard he might go for the champion hurdle again. wherever he goes i think hes unlikely to win tbh!
long run will obviously go well, but il be opposing him. master minded round kempton could be savage
we wont know until we see them race. exciting times!!
i think ghizao is better than fr, having said that im judging by their aintree run where form isnt always reliable. youll remember ruby tried to deck ghizao when coming with what looked like a winning challenge!
i think theres no reason to believe spirits son is better than zarkandar, and al ferof was a better hurdler than sprinter sacre. theyre both bred for chasing and nicholls chasers tend to improve a bit on their hurdling form, so i think it will be very hard for sprinter to surpass al ferof at chasing!
i think oscar whiskey will stay 3 miles, but im not sure the henderson camp think so. ive heard he might go for the champion hurdle again. wherever he goes i think hes unlikely to win tbh!
long run will obviously go well, but il be opposing him. master minded round kempton could be savage
we wont know until we see them race. exciting times!!
Reve,
Oscar runs over further this season,and will take on Big Bucks,thats what i have been told by the stable.
Master Minded could well be savage round Kempton,but on all evidence we have Long Run is the better 3m chaser.
Al Ferof was the better hurdler in the supreme,but by no means a given he will be the better chaser.
I think Spirit Son being older will be to his advantage,and think hes a better horse anyway,but i accept i could be proved wrong.
FR has faced Ghizao a few times now,and yet to be beaten by him.
Exciting times indeed!! And you are right,we wont know for definite till we see them race.
Oscar runs over further this season,and will take on Big Bucks,thats what i have been told by the stable.
Master Minded could well be savage round Kempton,but on all evidence we have Long Run is the better 3m chaser.
Al Ferof was the better hurdler in the supreme,but by no means a given he will be the better chaser.
I think Spirit Son being older will be to his advantage,and think hes a better horse anyway,but i accept i could be proved wrong.
FR has faced Ghizao a few times now,and yet to be beaten by him.
Exciting times indeed!! And you are right,we wont know for definite till we see them race.
NJH VS PN Top 100 by RPR 2010/11
HORSE RPR EARNINGS HORSE RPR EARNINGS
Long Run 183 £403,733 Denman 181 £129,698
Riverside Theatre 172 £138,817 Big Buck's 178 £256,379
Burton Port 171 £37,433 Master Minded 176 £220,902
Petit Robin 167 £12,834 Twist Magic 174 £14,973
Binocular 166 £70,030 Kauto Star 174 £72,828
Oscar Whisky 165 £170,762 Poquelin 172 £139,843
Finian's Rainbow 163 £112,527 What A Friend 172 £38,437
French Opera 162 £54,569 Woolcombe Folly 170 £31,124
Punchestowns 161 £30,321 Neptune Collonges 169 £53,721
Spirit Son 160 £63,185 Silviniaco Conti 163 £89,631
Voy Por Ustedes 160 £7,282 Celestial Halo 163 £42,002
Zaynar 160 £6,648 Mon Parrain 162 £27,725
Mad Max 159 £23,499 Tataniano 162 £5,965
Carole's Legacy 158 £82,223 Tchico Polos 161 £52,325
Dave's Dream 154 £25,048 Ghizao 161 £50,673
Bobs Worth 153 £80,127 Aiteen Thirtythree 158 £24,302
Soldatino 153 £2,144 Pride Of Dulcote 158 £16,263
Radium 152 £19,374 The Tother One 158 £35,541
Sprinter Sacre 151 £21,054 Organisateur 157 £24,283
Solix 151 £1,876 Take The Breeze 156 £23,980
Mr Gardner 150 £8,628 Al Ferof 155 £69,388
Mossley 149 £40,766 Breedsbreeze 155 £14,027
Surfing 149 £1,576 Niche Market 153 £29,960
Master Of The Hall 148 £28,562 Pasco 152 £12,488
Giorgio Quercus 148 £17,204 Taranis 151 £0
Working Title 148 £16,170 Free World 151 £4,625
Peveril 148 £10,430 Sanctuaire 150 £30,355
Quantitativeeasing 147 £19,319 Noland 150 £17,867
Eradicate 146 £45,750 Rock On Ruby 150 £44,479
Aegean Dawn 146 £13,776 Escort'men 149 £17,268
Tanks For That 146 £7,758 Gullible Gordon 148 £10,854
Duc De Regniere 144 £12,431 Aerial 148 £8,355
Minella Class 143 £25,211 Zarkandar 147 £125,728
Aigle D'Or 143 £18,786 Pepe Simo 147 £29,804
Grandouet 143 £25,722 Royal Charm 147 £29,093
Sentry Duty 143 £0 Rebel Du Maquis 146 £21,253
First Point 143 £9,557 Fistral Beach 146 £12,524
Afsoun 142 £2,246 Robinson Collonges 146 £11,774
Kerada 141 £13,597 The Minack 146 £13,063
Osric 141 £14,826 Picture This 145 £18,430
Be There In Five 141 £15,917 Watamu Bay 144 £18,304
Nadiya De La Vega 140 £18,363 Qozak 144 £16,490
Shakalakaboomboom 140 £14,225 There's No Panic 144 £18,134
Lush Life 140 £9,393 Classic Swain 143 £25,576
Ghimaar 140 £5,668 Rivaliste 143 £6,231
Polyfast 139 £13,218 Gwanako 142 £695
Ruthenoise 139 £6,287 Chapoturgeon 142 £2,313
You're The Top 139 £3,119 Meanus Dandy 141 £40,949
Gibb River 138 £8,776 Sam Winner 141 £30,339
Kid Cassidy 137 £7,359 Sonofvic 141 £8,449
Molotof 137 £4,535 Definity 141 £8,718
Veiled 136 £14,004 Five Dream 140 £13,876
Cucumber Run 136 £5,991 Massasoit 140 £2,457
Chablais 136 £4,554 Poungach 139 £7,376
Wogan 136 £4,292 Join Together 139 £7,985
Line Freedom 135 £24,215 Bold Addition 138 £12,334
Anquetta 135 £15,319 Toubab 138 £18,763
Higgy's Ragazzo 135 £6,404 Earth Dream 137 £14,535
Rackham Lerouge 135 £6,194 Royal Mix 137 £9,250
Bai Zhu 134 £8,496 King's Legacy 136 £4,348
Skint 133 £35,815 Promising Anshan 135 £8,871
Problema Tic 132 £6,604 Brampour 135 £3,903
Bellvano 132 £848 Tito Bustillo 135 £14,333
Whoops A Daisy 131 £8,275 Sir Du Bearn 134 £1,719
A Media Luz 131 £7,938 American Trilogy 133 £6,523
Owen Glendower 130 £10,767 King Of The Night 132 £11,583
Monetary Fund 130 £7,014 Pistolet Noir 132 £0
Great Reason 130 £382 Rebel Rebellion 131 £5,855
Remember Now 128 £10,682 Our Bomber Harris 131 £2,984
The Shoe 128 £7,304 Aldertune 131 £5,104
Higgy's Boy 128 £1,341 Indian Daudaie 131 £4,493
Larks Lad 128 £1,872 Valentine Vic 130 £4,944
Tasheba 127 £1,388 Current Event 130 £4,178
Scots Dragoon 127 £2,303 That'Ll Do 130 £3,392
Erzen 127 £0 Dolatulo 129 £6,101
Secret World 126 £3,548 Sire Collonges 129 £1,110
Busker Royal 126 £5,519 Tonic Mellysse 128 £6,011
Ericht 125 £8,483 The Reformer 128 £5,778
Bear's Affair 125 £6,115 Red Harbour 128 £0
Miss Sarenne 125 £5,976 Jump City 128 £716
Master Fiddle 125 £5,824 Like Minded 127 £1,836
Zemsky 125 £1,198 Pennellis 126 £4,959
Lord Ragnar 125 £1,957 San Remo Bello 126 £3,242
Lifestyle 124 £10,062 Violin Davis 125 £15,663
Loose Preformer 124 £790 Takeroc 125 £291
Fourth Estate 123 £4,794 Lady An Co 125 £802
Joker Choker 123 £4,933 Mr Hudson 124 £6,357
Kells Belle 123 £4,913 Advisor 124 £2,277
Front Of House 122 £4,753 Earth Planet 124 £4,857
Cavite Beta 121 £4,889 Polisky 124 £1,850
Lets Get Serious 121 £3,903 Vertige Dore 123 £8,496
Oedipe 121 £5,427 Just Amazing 123 £6,350
Hit The Headlines 121 £1,370 Empire Levant 123 £9,336
Super Kenny 121 £740 Cedre Bleu 123 £5,422
Moghaayer 120 £10,313 Hell's Bay 123 £0
Mono Man 120 £6,505 Ornais 122 £304
Prince Of Pirates 120 £6,262 Mizen Raven 122 £842
Victrix Gale 120 £2,792 Quell The Storm 121 £4,438
Speed Master 120 £1,981 Carlicue 121 £2,295
HORSE RPR EARNINGS HORSE RPR EARNINGS
Long Run 183 £403,733 Denman 181 £129,698
Riverside Theatre 172 £138,817 Big Buck's 178 £256,379
Burton Port 171 £37,433 Master Minded 176 £220,902
Petit Robin 167 £12,834 Twist Magic 174 £14,973
Binocular 166 £70,030 Kauto Star 174 £72,828
Oscar Whisky 165 £170,762 Poquelin 172 £139,843
Finian's Rainbow 163 £112,527 What A Friend 172 £38,437
French Opera 162 £54,569 Woolcombe Folly 170 £31,124
Punchestowns 161 £30,321 Neptune Collonges 169 £53,721
Spirit Son 160 £63,185 Silviniaco Conti 163 £89,631
Voy Por Ustedes 160 £7,282 Celestial Halo 163 £42,002
Zaynar 160 £6,648 Mon Parrain 162 £27,725
Mad Max 159 £23,499 Tataniano 162 £5,965
Carole's Legacy 158 £82,223 Tchico Polos 161 £52,325
Dave's Dream 154 £25,048 Ghizao 161 £50,673
Bobs Worth 153 £80,127 Aiteen Thirtythree 158 £24,302
Soldatino 153 £2,144 Pride Of Dulcote 158 £16,263
Radium 152 £19,374 The Tother One 158 £35,541
Sprinter Sacre 151 £21,054 Organisateur 157 £24,283
Solix 151 £1,876 Take The Breeze 156 £23,980
Mr Gardner 150 £8,628 Al Ferof 155 £69,388
Mossley 149 £40,766 Breedsbreeze 155 £14,027
Surfing 149 £1,576 Niche Market 153 £29,960
Master Of The Hall 148 £28,562 Pasco 152 £12,488
Giorgio Quercus 148 £17,204 Taranis 151 £0
Working Title 148 £16,170 Free World 151 £4,625
Peveril 148 £10,430 Sanctuaire 150 £30,355
Quantitativeeasing 147 £19,319 Noland 150 £17,867
Eradicate 146 £45,750 Rock On Ruby 150 £44,479
Aegean Dawn 146 £13,776 Escort'men 149 £17,268
Tanks For That 146 £7,758 Gullible Gordon 148 £10,854
Duc De Regniere 144 £12,431 Aerial 148 £8,355
Minella Class 143 £25,211 Zarkandar 147 £125,728
Aigle D'Or 143 £18,786 Pepe Simo 147 £29,804
Grandouet 143 £25,722 Royal Charm 147 £29,093
Sentry Duty 143 £0 Rebel Du Maquis 146 £21,253
First Point 143 £9,557 Fistral Beach 146 £12,524
Afsoun 142 £2,246 Robinson Collonges 146 £11,774
Kerada 141 £13,597 The Minack 146 £13,063
Osric 141 £14,826 Picture This 145 £18,430
Be There In Five 141 £15,917 Watamu Bay 144 £18,304
Nadiya De La Vega 140 £18,363 Qozak 144 £16,490
Shakalakaboomboom 140 £14,225 There's No Panic 144 £18,134
Lush Life 140 £9,393 Classic Swain 143 £25,576
Ghimaar 140 £5,668 Rivaliste 143 £6,231
Polyfast 139 £13,218 Gwanako 142 £695
Ruthenoise 139 £6,287 Chapoturgeon 142 £2,313
You're The Top 139 £3,119 Meanus Dandy 141 £40,949
Gibb River 138 £8,776 Sam Winner 141 £30,339
Kid Cassidy 137 £7,359 Sonofvic 141 £8,449
Molotof 137 £4,535 Definity 141 £8,718
Veiled 136 £14,004 Five Dream 140 £13,876
Cucumber Run 136 £5,991 Massasoit 140 £2,457
Chablais 136 £4,554 Poungach 139 £7,376
Wogan 136 £4,292 Join Together 139 £7,985
Line Freedom 135 £24,215 Bold Addition 138 £12,334
Anquetta 135 £15,319 Toubab 138 £18,763
Higgy's Ragazzo 135 £6,404 Earth Dream 137 £14,535
Rackham Lerouge 135 £6,194 Royal Mix 137 £9,250
Bai Zhu 134 £8,496 King's Legacy 136 £4,348
Skint 133 £35,815 Promising Anshan 135 £8,871
Problema Tic 132 £6,604 Brampour 135 £3,903
Bellvano 132 £848 Tito Bustillo 135 £14,333
Whoops A Daisy 131 £8,275 Sir Du Bearn 134 £1,719
A Media Luz 131 £7,938 American Trilogy 133 £6,523
Owen Glendower 130 £10,767 King Of The Night 132 £11,583
Monetary Fund 130 £7,014 Pistolet Noir 132 £0
Great Reason 130 £382 Rebel Rebellion 131 £5,855
Remember Now 128 £10,682 Our Bomber Harris 131 £2,984
The Shoe 128 £7,304 Aldertune 131 £5,104
Higgy's Boy 128 £1,341 Indian Daudaie 131 £4,493
Larks Lad 128 £1,872 Valentine Vic 130 £4,944
Tasheba 127 £1,388 Current Event 130 £4,178
Scots Dragoon 127 £2,303 That'Ll Do 130 £3,392
Erzen 127 £0 Dolatulo 129 £6,101
Secret World 126 £3,548 Sire Collonges 129 £1,110
Busker Royal 126 £5,519 Tonic Mellysse 128 £6,011
Ericht 125 £8,483 The Reformer 128 £5,778
Bear's Affair 125 £6,115 Red Harbour 128 £0
Miss Sarenne 125 £5,976 Jump City 128 £716
Master Fiddle 125 £5,824 Like Minded 127 £1,836
Zemsky 125 £1,198 Pennellis 126 £4,959
Lord Ragnar 125 £1,957 San Remo Bello 126 £3,242
Lifestyle 124 £10,062 Violin Davis 125 £15,663
Loose Preformer 124 £790 Takeroc 125 £291
Fourth Estate 123 £4,794 Lady An Co 125 £802
Joker Choker 123 £4,933 Mr Hudson 124 £6,357
Kells Belle 123 £4,913 Advisor 124 £2,277
Front Of House 122 £4,753 Earth Planet 124 £4,857
Cavite Beta 121 £4,889 Polisky 124 £1,850
Lets Get Serious 121 £3,903 Vertige Dore 123 £8,496
Oedipe 121 £5,427 Just Amazing 123 £6,350
Hit The Headlines 121 £1,370 Empire Levant 123 £9,336
Super Kenny 121 £740 Cedre Bleu 123 £5,422
Moghaayer 120 £10,313 Hell's Bay 123 £0
Mono Man 120 £6,505 Ornais 122 £304
Prince Of Pirates 120 £6,262 Mizen Raven 122 £842
Victrix Gale 120 £2,792 Quell The Storm 121 £4,438
Speed Master 120 £1,981 Carlicue 121 £2,295
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Spirit Son> Zarkander imo, Z will make a better chaser.
Long Run not invincible but i doubt MM will beat him, one decent 2m4f run has got everyone thinking hes back to his best again.
2m novice chasers is anyones guess, too many likely candidates at this stage
BB to win on the snaff all season long again, if this was over fences he'd be the most famous horse in history of jump racing.
Long Run not invincible but i doubt MM will beat him, one decent 2m4f run has got everyone thinking hes back to his best again.
2m novice chasers is anyones guess, too many likely candidates at this stage
BB to win on the snaff all season long again, if this was over fences he'd be the most famous horse in history of jump racing.
well as he cant jump fences he never will be that famous.Not sure he will beat Oscar Whiskey easily.
Spirit Son is a hurdler this season coming so is Zarkander.
Agree about MM but he will be hard to beat over 2m 4,if thats what they do with him.
Spirit Son is a hurdler this season coming so is Zarkander.
Agree about MM but he will be hard to beat over 2m 4,if thats what they do with him.
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I agree, Nicholls is fiercely competitive and he will have stockpiled the best prospects around last summer, he knows his stable stars are on the wain, I don't think henderson has that same ruthless streak, Nicholls fought like a scabby dog who hadn't eaten in weeks to win the title and he will not give it up without one hell of a fight.
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I agree, Nicholls is fiercely competitive and he will have stockpiled the best prospects around last summer, he knows his stable stars are on the wain, I don't think henderson has that same ruthless streak, Nicholls fought like a scabby dog who hadn't eaten in weeks to win the title and he will not give it up without one hell of a fight.
ffs
looks like he eats plenty every week imo ^^ [smiley:crazy]
Put up 3/1 Henderson so Reve if you want to put your money where your mouth is
I echo that Silverbuck. Nicholl always gets off to a faster start and Henderson rarely starts banging in winners till November.
yes silver, all intelligent punters lay at above the going odds when they have an opinion on something. get a grip
Tell you what Reve, I will put up 200 to back Nicky @ 5/2, if I was as confident as you are about your man I would have no problem laying that.
No sign of it being accepted, think Reve is getting a bit windy!
silverbuck, i dont think you read my first post. why would any punter, not just myself, lay a 5/4 shot at 5/2? i said earlier in the thread its hard to get excited about backing nicholls at evens. i rarely back at that price, why would i back at 2/5 for chemical nicky to lose. i posted the thread saying i wouldnt mind laying a bit of 5/4 on chemical nicky. i thought that was poor value. everything has a price. i didnt say id lay nicky at any price backers wanted did i? at 3/1 chances are id be a backer. does that clarify things?
Nov 6, 2011 -- 10:35PM, silverbuck wrote:
No sign of it being accepted, think Reve is getting a bit windy!
i apologise for going to bed
what do you want me to say?!! what you said doesnt make sense and im letting you know. didnt work the first time so had to hammer it home...........
I think Thousand Stars has a better chance of challenging Big Bucks than Oscar Whisky. He has proved himself at the tip in France too. Looks a decent e/w bet imo.
yeh,Thousand Stars has to be on my side.Been backing OW for a while now,and now i am backing TS,Litle bits here and there.By March i plan to have both as nice winners for me.Just a case of beating Big Bucks!!
Well,theres always a slight snag in this game!!!
Well,theres always a slight snag in this game!!!
the day big bucks does get beat ther will be many fingers burnt
rather a large snag here buddeliea in the name on the greatest.
yeh,well i like a challenge Howdi.
They do bring good CH form with them,not many of Bucksys opponents thus far have.
TS stays,and they are confident that OW will,i am hopeful one of them if not both can prove up to it,the class is there for sure.
They do bring good CH form with them,not many of Bucksys opponents thus far have.
TS stays,and they are confident that OW will,i am hopeful one of them if not both can prove up to it,the class is there for sure.
Nicholls now £350k in front. Where are Henderson's horses? Had nothing at the Paddy Power meet. If Long Run doesn't win next week then it's over already imo.
dont panic phalris its not a meeting he targets everyone knows hes a late starter usually gets going at hennessey meet nicholls has run all his best horses none of hendo top 50 been out yet new champion this year hes got too much strengh in depth this season in every department
Also re another post Spirit Son allegedly had setback while back, nice of Henderson to all informed?
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Replies: 33 06 Nov 11 22:35
No sign of it being accepted, think Reve is getting a bit windy!
who is their right mind would lay bigger odds than the bookies and tie up money for a whole NH season ffs
i have this sh!te before, asking for inflated odds about an outcome and if the layer doesnt hes not putting his money where his mout is
ffs youd have to be fooking retarded to actually lay such a bet just to prove who has the bigger d!ck!
if u happen to find anyone so thick & gullible give me a shout, id like to do busness with them!
on that note, good night!
nichols for the title btw, already over 300k in front, and has as much firepower as hendo bar long run and even if he wins the KG & GC it still wouldnt be enough!
spirit son will get laughed at by hurricane fly forgodssake, and i dont see how hes better than his run in the supreme? how? how is he better than this? al ferof came from further back and powered past him!
hinterland looks a v nice prospect and zarkander and brampour will win plenty of races between them!
as for oscar whiskey beating big bucks? hey im not a fortune teller, and id never completely dismiss a horse but we're talking about big bucks here and i would say u are talking with a little too much optimism. a horse that hasnt been beaten in years and laughs at anything that comes along side and if oscar whisky has a chance to beat him then so does thousand stars who was beat a neck last time they met and then won a good staying race in france but i dont think we'll have to wonder who ruby will be riding on the day!
as far as juviniles are concerned nichols will mop up plenty of races and im sure the old brigade in kauto and denmn will prob earn him a few quid this season if he doesnt retire them after their seasonal debuts.
kauto stone looks a very nice prospect too and should win some good races!
nichols deserves to be a short price imo.
gl if u all have a bet, just giving my 2 cents that will no doubt annoy some of u, i have strong views, i cant help it, apologies!!
night night!
Replies: 33 06 Nov 11 22:35
No sign of it being accepted, think Reve is getting a bit windy!
who is their right mind would lay bigger odds than the bookies and tie up money for a whole NH season ffs
i have this sh!te before, asking for inflated odds about an outcome and if the layer doesnt hes not putting his money where his mout is
ffs youd have to be fooking retarded to actually lay such a bet just to prove who has the bigger d!ck!
if u happen to find anyone so thick & gullible give me a shout, id like to do busness with them!
on that note, good night!
nichols for the title btw, already over 300k in front, and has as much firepower as hendo bar long run and even if he wins the KG & GC it still wouldnt be enough!
spirit son will get laughed at by hurricane fly forgodssake, and i dont see how hes better than his run in the supreme? how? how is he better than this? al ferof came from further back and powered past him!
hinterland looks a v nice prospect and zarkander and brampour will win plenty of races between them!
as for oscar whiskey beating big bucks? hey im not a fortune teller, and id never completely dismiss a horse but we're talking about big bucks here and i would say u are talking with a little too much optimism. a horse that hasnt been beaten in years and laughs at anything that comes along side and if oscar whisky has a chance to beat him then so does thousand stars who was beat a neck last time they met and then won a good staying race in france but i dont think we'll have to wonder who ruby will be riding on the day!
as far as juviniles are concerned nichols will mop up plenty of races and im sure the old brigade in kauto and denmn will prob earn him a few quid this season if he doesnt retire them after their seasonal debuts.
kauto stone looks a very nice prospect too and should win some good races!
nichols deserves to be a short price imo.
gl if u all have a bet, just giving my 2 cents that will no doubt annoy some of u, i have strong views, i cant help it, apologies!!
night night!
its a marathon not a sprint henderson has hardly ran anything like his best horses wheras bar big bucks nicholls has had everything out its a very long season
nicky henderson has got a better string of horses this year
nicky henderson has got a better string of horses this year
better string of horses? gold cup maybe, im not sure what other division tbh
novice hurdlers
HENDERSON
darlan,simonsig,mono man,fourth estate,ericht,dandinoetc etc
NICHOLLS
prospect wells
HURDLERS
oscar whisky,binocular,grandouet,spirit son
big bucks,zarkander
CHASERS
long run,burton port,
kauto star/stone,master minded,denman,
NOVICE CHASERS
sprinter sacre,mossley,bobs worth,minella class
silvianico conti,al ferof
to me henderson has by far the stronger set of horses novice hurdlers hes diffrent clas to nicholls as are his novice chasers if oscar whisky topples big bucks then it will be henderosn by a long way
HENDERSON
darlan,simonsig,mono man,fourth estate,ericht,dandinoetc etc
NICHOLLS
prospect wells
HURDLERS
oscar whisky,binocular,grandouet,spirit son
big bucks,zarkander
CHASERS
long run,burton port,
kauto star/stone,master minded,denman,
NOVICE CHASERS
sprinter sacre,mossley,bobs worth,minella class
silvianico conti,al ferof
to me henderson has by far the stronger set of horses novice hurdlers hes diffrent clas to nicholls as are his novice chasers if oscar whisky topples big bucks then it will be henderosn by a long way
You are being slightly biased Alverado.
Henderson will always have a better string of novice hurdlers, mainly because he recruits from the flat more than Nicholls. The money up for grabs in that division however is relatively irrelevant in the context of this bet. The only significant haul is the supreme novice, in which currently Nicholls has Prospect Wells, a shorter price than any of the Henderson horses.
Hurdlers, you appear to have omitted Celestial Halo, who may be getting on, but will pay his way this year. Nicholls also has Sanctuaire and Brampour, who is a very live outsider for the CH. Binocular is finished! Spirit Son has suffered at setback and is likely to be out beyond Christmas.
Chasers, ok, Nicky has Long Run. Burton Port? Where is he? What would his expected winnings be this season? I'd take even money he doesn't win more than £10k over the season. Nicholls has around twice as many Handicap chasers in training than Henderson. This is where the money is won, week in, week out. Its about 50 vs 25 at the moment. Nicholls has significantly more chasers rated 160+, 150+ and 140+ than Henderson. For races like the Hennessey, Henderson is completely unrepresented, while Nicholls has the favourite and 3rd/4th fav. This will be a similar story for all the major handicap chases throughout the season.
Novice Chasers, again, like the hurdlers, not a huge amount of money up for grabs here, but you can't really mention Mossley but not Sam Winner, given they are a similar price for all novice events at Cheltenham. Nicholls also has Join Together and doubtless many more ex P2P types on their way.
Essentially, Long Run has to win the Betfair Chase, KG and Gold Cup for Henderson to have any chance, and even then it wouldn't be guaranteed. Nicholls has beefed up this year and simply has more horses in training than Henderson. He has already built up a gap of £350k.
This is a big weekend for Henderson and he really needs wins from Long Run and Oscar Whisky to keep tabs for now.
I think that the market has possibly overreacted slightly in making Nicholls 1/2 in places, but he's built up a massive advantage already and I think people are slightly deluded in believing that Henderson has this massively superior top end team to Nicholls. Time will tell, but Henderson only needs a couple of results to go against him and it's all over (Kauto vs Long Run for example), whereas Nicholls is still in the running whatever Long Run does.
Henderson will always have a better string of novice hurdlers, mainly because he recruits from the flat more than Nicholls. The money up for grabs in that division however is relatively irrelevant in the context of this bet. The only significant haul is the supreme novice, in which currently Nicholls has Prospect Wells, a shorter price than any of the Henderson horses.
Hurdlers, you appear to have omitted Celestial Halo, who may be getting on, but will pay his way this year. Nicholls also has Sanctuaire and Brampour, who is a very live outsider for the CH. Binocular is finished! Spirit Son has suffered at setback and is likely to be out beyond Christmas.
Chasers, ok, Nicky has Long Run. Burton Port? Where is he? What would his expected winnings be this season? I'd take even money he doesn't win more than £10k over the season. Nicholls has around twice as many Handicap chasers in training than Henderson. This is where the money is won, week in, week out. Its about 50 vs 25 at the moment. Nicholls has significantly more chasers rated 160+, 150+ and 140+ than Henderson. For races like the Hennessey, Henderson is completely unrepresented, while Nicholls has the favourite and 3rd/4th fav. This will be a similar story for all the major handicap chases throughout the season.
Novice Chasers, again, like the hurdlers, not a huge amount of money up for grabs here, but you can't really mention Mossley but not Sam Winner, given they are a similar price for all novice events at Cheltenham. Nicholls also has Join Together and doubtless many more ex P2P types on their way.
Essentially, Long Run has to win the Betfair Chase, KG and Gold Cup for Henderson to have any chance, and even then it wouldn't be guaranteed. Nicholls has beefed up this year and simply has more horses in training than Henderson. He has already built up a gap of £350k.
This is a big weekend for Henderson and he really needs wins from Long Run and Oscar Whisky to keep tabs for now.
I think that the market has possibly overreacted slightly in making Nicholls 1/2 in places, but he's built up a massive advantage already and I think people are slightly deluded in believing that Henderson has this massively superior top end team to Nicholls. Time will tell, but Henderson only needs a couple of results to go against him and it's all over (Kauto vs Long Run for example), whereas Nicholls is still in the running whatever Long Run does.
slightly biased there alvo, just slightly! phalaris sums things up better. chemical nickys hopes are pinned to long run winning everything he runs in i think. im not going to name every horse, but if you think nicholls only decent novice isprospect wells then youre mistaken. he got 60 new horses that he hadnt got last season and we havent seen the half of them out yet.
And btw, Henderson is currently running at a 30% strike rate wins to runs ratio so to suggest he has not going yet is b0llocks, we have just not seen his best horses, but the same can be said for Nicholls.
Finians Rainbow vs Tataniano for the Tingle Creek, both horse likely to be short in the betting behind Sizing Europe.
Phalaris, how do you know Binocular is finished ? Henderson might have Master of the Hall for the Hennessy ..
Phalaris, how do you know Binocular is finished ? Henderson might have Master of the Hall for the Hennessy ..
i liked the look of tataniano lto, albeit against lesser opposition. sandown might not suit finians rainbow seeing as the fences are stiff and the hill finds quite a few out, and hes a weak finisher! should be a crackin race though
the handicap he won has worked out poorly. That said, Tataniano is bound to improve for the run and is still lightly raced.
couldnt have won easier tho and nicholls horses werent firing at the time
phalaris binocular will will win treble the amount celestial halo will so too say hes finished youre deluded and SAMWINNER do me a favour he was tailed off at exeter and brampour for the champion hurdle as if.nicholls might have brought 60 new ones but i doubt henderson will be standing still do u
the cannons are now being wheeled into position on the lawn
absolutely right ftm
simonsig/solix tommorow oscar whisky and long run on sat and then a host of exciting novices over fences and hurdles all entered up next week with a rejuvnted BINOCULAR back too this is were the season starts
come on henderson time to eat into pumpkin heads lead
simonsig/solix tommorow oscar whisky and long run on sat and then a host of exciting novices over fences and hurdles all entered up next week with a rejuvnted BINOCULAR back too this is were the season starts
come on henderson time to eat into pumpkin heads lead
nicholls has horses running at the weekend too! if henderson had a 300k lead id still expect him to win
nicky supporters talking like nichols has no good horses... good grief!
hinterland is his best novice and barely been mentioned! if he has a good weekend the title race is over!
hinterland is his best novice and barely been mentioned! if he has a good weekend the title race is over!
5 winners today for NJH and about £30k in prize money
Nicholls wins the two biggest prize of the weekend with Master Minded and Kauto. Chasers is where the money is at.
game over for chemical nicky. id expect long run to win his share this season but id say he needed to win em all
silverbuck
06 Nov 11 21:32 Joined: 01 Feb 05 | Topic/replies: 33 | Blogger: silverbuck's blog
Tell you what Reve, I will put up 200 to back Nicky @ 5/2, if I was as confident as you are about your man I would have no problem laying that.
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Tell you what Silverbuck, get your clueless ass down to a Coral shop, they are laying the 5/2 now!!!
06 Nov 11 21:32 Joined: 01 Feb 05 | Topic/replies: 33 | Blogger: silverbuck's blog
Tell you what Reve, I will put up 200 to back Nicky @ 5/2, if I was as confident as you are about your man I would have no problem laying that.
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Tell you what Silverbuck, get your clueless ass down to a Coral shop, they are laying the 5/2 now!!!
as much as im a henderson man,that was a massive weekend for nicholls.
dont go taking 5/2 yet... he will be 3/1 in less than a fortnight
im still here. brillant training performance from fatty to get kauto back all credit to him but he wont get near winning another race again he was trained for the minute long run ran a blinder and will defo win the gold cup and king george still a long long way to go and u dont win championships in november do you phalris as newcastle and chelsea found out in prem league
Nobody seems to mention the possibility that neither of the top 2 trainers will win all of the top races. David Pipe, Mullins, McCain to name but three who will win a few of them. Paul Nicholls should be about 2/5 to win it now though unless he gets a really horrible infection in the yard. Anyone know why Overturn is not one of the top 4 in the betting for the CH by the way? Very impressive yesterday I thought.
will defo win the gold cup and king george another slight exaggeration definately? are bookies paying out already?
definately? are bookies paying out already?
henderson 7 timer
one for each burrow!
still only 2.15
not sure how much it amounts to a great deal but hes racking them up!
one for each burrow!
still only 2.15
not sure how much it amounts to a great deal but hes racking them up!
As someone correctly point out earlier, he would be 3/1 in a fortnight, and now is. Any hope for Henderson? Has nothing on the big Saturdays. Nicholls string just bigger and better. Ok Henderson has a fair few big guns waiting to come out, but they keep having setbacks and it's already December. We are waiting Nicky!!!...
nicky is nothing without his vet (who is now gone)
few for nicky today, not sure if they were worth much tho!
sprinter
arctic actress
boomshakalacka (spelling) this was prob his biggest earner today! still plenty to do!
sprinter
arctic actress
boomshakalacka (spelling
) this was prob his biggest earner today! still plenty to do!
pumpkin head rackin up the winners tday!
chemical nicky toiling again!! still has randouet for a decent payout but nichols getting the money in steadly!
chemical nicky toiling again!! still has randouet for a decent payout but nichols getting the money in steadly!
still think its all over ?
i told ya be patient henderson dont start till after xmas who ever wins the king george wins the title
i told ya be patient henderson dont start till after xmas who ever wins the king george wins the title
nichols still wins, good day for hendo but nichols still well clear and racked up a nice little stack today too, brampour got place money of 13k, harry the viking, the staying hurdler that won (was lucky) still ticking along!
obviously hendos day but nichols will win hard held imo!
if long run won the kg & gc hendo still wouldnt win!
gl tho!
obviously hendos day but nichols will win hard held imo!
if long run won the kg & gc hendo still wouldnt win!
gl tho!
Dec 10, 2011 -- 5:05PM, Alvarado wrote:
still think its all over ?i told ya be patient henderson dont start till after xmas who ever wins the king george wins the title
i still think its all over anyhow...
why has this gone so quiet?
come on!!
kauto wins the king george. still cant see hendo making up the ground!
what a prospect sprinter sacre is tho!! wont be as good at chelt imo, will prob win anyway, super jumper, will be much tougher tho!! ill prob be against him!! peddlers not out of it round chelt!!
nichols maintains a comfortable lead.
come on!!
kauto wins the king george. still cant see hendo making up the ground!
what a prospect sprinter sacre is tho!! wont be as good at chelt imo, will prob win anyway, super jumper, will be much tougher tho!! ill prob be against him!! peddlers not out of it round chelt!!
nichols maintains a comfortable lead.
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