Sprinter Sacre - Arkle Winner 2012

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i had a dream that it fell, what are the odds it doesnt get round????

He's the best jumper in the field alleged but every chance that Menorah might bring him down.........

It's jump racing - anything can happen.

its strange you say menorah, because in my dream menorah won

**** offer money back if your horse finishes second in one of the first 4 races on day 1 is better

I really can't have Sprinter beaten at all but I certainly can't have two horses beat him (barring accidents of course)

only problem is the maximum is only £200

Hibore     08 Mar 12 21:56 
Here is last years Supreme.

I think it is interesting viewing...stop the race 2 out he looks an aeroplane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANps0jY2pI

Till he gets up the hill 9/1 E/W Cue Card is the value in my opinion.

Watch the race again. People cant have this that SS doesnt get up the hill and CC does. I'm sorry they both being pushed at the same time in the straight and SS stays on better

The ORISH in the Arkle....



3 Blackstairmountain, W P Mullins
6 Foildubh, John Patrick Ryan
9 Nearest The Pin, A J Martin

You don't have opinions you say he's beat nothing yet you won't be surprised if he wins 20 lengths make ur mind up

I dont have opinions? How do you work that out?

My point, which you laught at, is perfectly valid. You appear to be missing the point, probably because you have your SS blinkers on.

sj - Cue Card has won up the hill in the festival and so has Al Ferof.

SS hasn't yet so your guessing he does.

If you watch the Supreme again Cue Card pulls in behind the leaders most of the way, while SS sits quietly on the inside. The fact is Al Ferof went past him as if he was standing still and SS didn't pull away even from Cue Card would worry me taking short odds. Breathing op or not it has to be a concern...

I just think Cue Card from the front is value IF he jumps round rather than Evens on SS.

anyone who knows a wee bit about the game will surely be on before it went evens, and as for not staying up the hill, does the horse not look as if it has improved immensely, to my eye, it seems to be stronger from 2 out in every race, i feel the knockers are just taking the pish now. cheers.

anyone who knows a wee bit about the game will surely be on before it went evens

Anyone who knows about the game knows the hill has dented some big reputations in the past.

Aren't we just discussing the race from a betting point of view ? If SS wins by 40 lengths and CC finishes 3rd we both are happy betting wise.

Bairn - just interested.. would you advise backing at Evens or just watch and enjoy a potential superstar ?

The Bairn

anyone who knows a wee bit about the game will surely be on before it went evens,


Not strictly true plenty of racing brains will not get involved until 2 mins before the start. Some would rather double up there stake and back at evens than take 2/1  weeks before.

Sure some may have 8/1 or whatever but that does not make then any wiser. Depends how you like yo lay it down.

Hibore     10 Mar 12 16:21 
sj - Cue Card has won up the hill in the festival and so has Al Ferof.

SS hasn't yet so your guessing he does.

If you watch the Supreme again Cue Card pulls in behind the leaders most of the way, while SS sits quietly on the inside. The fact is Al Ferof went past him as if he was standing still and SS didn't pull away even from Cue Card would worry me taking short odds. Breathing op or not it has to be a concern...

I just think Cue Card from the front is value IF he jumps round rather than Evens on SS.

We will just have to beg to differ mate. I think they are both being rousted along in the straight level with each other and SS finishes in front of him, I'm just not buying into he wont come up the hill. Sure Spirit Son and Al Ferof came up it better but they were the only two

Sprinter Sacre (10/11) , Al Ferof (5/2) , Cue Card (6) , Menorah (9) , Blackstairmountain (16) , Cristal Bonus (20) , Kid Cassidy (33) , Astracad (66) , Foildubh (80) , Nearest The Pin (80)

after watching last years Supreme, I made my mind up that I   would bet Al Ferof in every race it ran this season, I even bet it to win the Champion Hurdle, I was shocked to see it was going novice chasing, it was 12/1 for the Arkle at the time, i waited to see how it would perform before parting with more cash, I was hugely impressed, so i bet it at 8/1 and kept betting it, even after it's narrow second win, which i thought was even more impressive, i was very happy to keep betting it, I hadn't taken a lot of notice about other potential dangers at that time because I was convinced Al Ferof was the real deal, I then looked for a danger to it to back as a saver, i checked out Sprinter, so on Dec 6 I bet Sprinter with Bl Sq 10/1, watched it's first run over fences and it blew me away, so I kept on betting it too all prices down to 3/1, so I now have the two most fancied running for me and have bet the rest as savers, but my opinion now is Sprinter looks good, even although Al Ferof would be better for me, if I didn't already have a bet, I would say Sprinter is the banker of the meeting and at evens it's still a bet, cheers.

why not lay them for a bit and have the whole field winning then sit back and enjoy? If you have 12s, 10s and what not you can lay your stakes on Sprinter at evens then lay a little Al Ferof for the same liability. Be lovely green everywhere

Nice one Bairn,i did the same thing with AF but unfortunately did not with SS.
My position on the race means i have to let SS run,and have only put him in my cover Accas,which basically gives me the favs against my biggest winners, ie SS v AF,HF v Bino,BB v OW and LR v KS.
I have got some of the others in those races at reasonable prices in case,so covered quiet well.

What Judo says makes sense Bairn,and you could also just use some of your potential winnings to back the others with Paddy and get yer money back if SS wins.
Really you cannot lose mate.

thanks guys but i'm happy with my lot, I always take a view with ante-post betting, follow it through until I see good savers, then bet them to try and get my money back, Special Duty was one that worked, but Havant was a big let down last year,I only pick out certain races for my ante-post bets, races like the Grand National, Lincoln or the Ayr Gold Cup are a big no no for me, i've already taken a view on the 1000gns, Lyric of Light and Wading are my two against the field so far. cheers.

^

'until you see good savers?'. sounds like youve backed every horse in the race and god knows how many more with all of the defections. lol.

all of this whilst aftertiming his entire book so that he now wins the most if the fav or secons fav win. nice one mug

nobody has won anything yet, so, aftertiming before the race, how thick are you. cheers.

even if sprinter roars up the hill and wins by 20 lengths u wont be winning youve so many feckin 'savers'. u must be so accustomed to aftertiming that youve forgotten what it is. CLAIMING to have sprinter sacre at 10/1 when his current odds are a shade of odds on is some of the worst aftertiming ive seen on here today and this place is full of mug after timers, likewise with your al ferof so i dont know what your boyfriend is laughing at u too b umming each other all over the forum ffs. youve backed every horse entered for the race since last year but theyre just 'savers', pmsl

good luck tomorrow, youre doen even if sprinter sacre wins ffs. feckin aftertiming wally.

relax there moneyforoldrope - your bitterness is seeming through my keyboard... get a life

*seeping

*seeping

seething, perhaps?

I do not think moneyforoldrope has any idea of what bookmaking actually is imo the only wally on here is YOU!

I too have backed every runner bar the 100/1er e.w in the Arkle and have 3 places also! I have a 65% book of back bets and so cannot lose barring the rag does not win! I can afford to include him too as only adds 1% to the book but i wont as i do not expect it to be anywhere near them down the back.

Heres another for you fool, i have 12 backed in the supreme, the WORST price i have is 12/1, but these include 2 non runners. This gives me a book of close to 99% but as they are all e/way i have that added bonus of the places also reducing the book to a massive underround thus ensuring nice profit as long as a rag doesn't win.

See a bookmaker wants a rag winning, but a bettor does not, it is basically bookmaking reversed if you get my meaning. Nothing at all wrong with it and i make a killing from it every single year in the grade 1s and championship races!

Gl for the week with your single bets and 2 places in the arkle, i hope you don't do too much doe in!

Oh one more thing, i do not have any non runners backed in the Arkle either !

seething through my keyboard judorick? eh NAH

nicely played seasthestars

the WORST price i have is 12/1, but these include 2 non runners. This gives me a book of close to 99%

Actually it doesn't as i said the worst is 12/1 but i also have 14/1, 16/1, 20/1 and 2 at 33/1 so book without working it out but a re-guess is probably closer to 75-80%

ffs youve backed 12 for one race??? ive backed 12 for the whole meeting, no non runners no short priced favourites either

each to their own,we all have our different ways of making a profit.
personally like to have a few on my side in each race when possible,getting on early prices can enable me to do that.

i kinda stick to my guns and it works well for me, i just hope for his pockets sake that one wins

hope it works for you this week mate

good luck

Yeah when you miss, it is usually because an outsider wins, one that is relatively unfancied or your judgment has failed on one and you not backed it for whatever reason. It can be expensive though even if i have missed the winner in the first i would hope to get the 2 places and with having 3/1 minimum each place i am looking at a small loss but not as bad as it first looks.

good luck may the cheltenham gods smile favourably on you all

WOW

Brilliant thread, kept everyone warm over winter, with great debate.

Go collect OP

Special horse

Sizing stil the daddy though

OI OI OI

monster

What a performance. No win/loss in the race for me but cant help but be impressed with that. Al ferof not made finians et al look too great IMO. Although the mistake clearly cost it a lot.

CC ran a cracker and jumped well.

well done boys...what a jumper this lad is...

I did try to tell you Harry

Despite everything going perfectly for him (nice ground, settled better and jumped impeccably) he didn't find all that much from the home bend so he's not a formality for next year's QM.

On a flat track he's unbeatable though.

ive never seen a Horse Jump like this fellow,incredible

Best jumper of a fence since Best Mate.

you and 60 others punkle - its all in the price and he wasn't my kind...wish peddlers had turned up just for the race...but looks the real deal for sure

Best Mate was brilliant but more economical to my eyes Eric - SS will never win a Gold Cup thats for sure.

Of course he wont. Wouldnt get 3miles 2f in a horse box

Was on Al Ferof, don't mind losing to a horse of that quality though. Wd winners, especially those who were on ages back

UnclePUNCLE

Gold Cup is not his trip.

Just like to say Congrats to all SS fans and backers.

I was absolutely gutted when AF landed on that fence,but it happens spmetimes in racing and hopefully he will be back ok.

Very courteous of you Bud

Al Ferof will def need further in time, and the Dom Alco in him wants it softer same as Grand Crus.

Out of interest, what prices did everyone get on SS way back when this was started?
Couldn't find the prices easily...

Was running a big race though AG,but im pretty sure he will be over further in time like you say,not sure when that will be though,and the way he was travelling today they may keep him at 2m a bit longer.
Be interesting to see what happens with him for sure.

When you have the best jumper who is also the quickest horse in the race coupled with one of the 2 best steeeplechase jockeys riding, the outcome for me was inevitable.

Interestingly, I had a good look at him in the pre parade ring and he is still not fully furnished. Will be astonished if we see him again this season and he will be even better next year.

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Might take a back to lay view and back ROR for the CH then

Howdi
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ror wont be winning a champion hurdle


revedesivola
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^agreed


Howdi
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more chance of reve de sivola winning one imo


HEAD IN HANDS MAN.

wd sprinter backers and all at big prices and wd alverado.

otis never backed a loser then

yes bwell don sprinter backrs i was against the horse and said so on a few threads, happy to be proved wrong as it was a cracking performance and he may be the next superstar!

backed plenty, but i've sure never said something 'wont' win. Pure folly.

Jockey Barry Geraghty: "Going off too quick was the only way Sprinter Sacre was going to get beat so the main thing was to keep him relaxed. He settled better today and he wasn´t as extravagant early, which meant I could keep him back and not get competitive. I had an easier time today than I did at Newbury. He coasted in really"

Yeh he did,was a great performance by a real goodun.

Having given JT plenty of stick pre race, I'd like to point out that CC ran a super race and stuck on very gamely, albeit outclassed. He will be well suited by a step up in trip.

yep,did nothing wrong on cue card.

yes hang on to him and go Paddy Power/December Gold Cup in the winter round cheltenham - be perfect

That Al Ferof was ever gonna have the speed to give this horse a fright What an animal. Al Ferof is a lovely Gold Cup prospect next year.

Was really pleased with AF until the mistake.  Well done to those who got in early on SS!

10/1 on Dec 6 Bl
7/1 on Dec 9  Billys
6/1 on Dec 22 Freds
6/1 on Dec 27 Freds
3/1 on Dec 27 Freds
6.8 on Dec 20 B/fair

cheers

He got up the hill?




Go on Sprinter you absolute machine. Thanks guys

Rule number 1

Do not confuse lasts years hurdles form with this years chase form.

Nice to see a real star emerge. Can only be good for the game.

What OR would you give him?

My guess 177 + same as Sizing Europe

well done all SS backers, the only negative i can see is that perhaps for the next 2/3 years we are going to see a great horse in a lot of great races with absolutely no opposition up against him....what makes horses truely great is when there are a couple of real top notchers in it together....kauto denman.....moscow flyer, azerty...well chief....we aren't going to have the enjoyment of these battles so for the foreseeable the queen mother is going to be a walkover which is a bit of a shame....it ain't SS fault though.

nice one Bairn,thats what i like to see,brilliant stuff mate.

head is battered

only another 3 days!!

A lot of top horses are fluffing their lines against Sacre.

It cant be a coincidence.

He breaks their hearts or the other horses are aware of his aura.

I know budd

and

I know AG

saw it in the flesh awesome display, tonnes left in the tank, my argument he wouldnt get up the hill,USELESS!! he could have won pulling a cart

Cue Card ran a belter in defeat, think he's a probable Ryanair horse

Sprinter is amazing

My concern was always the undulations as a whole rather than the hill at the end! Certainly looked the same horse as on a flat track and jumped magnificently.   Yet again raceform times are going to say he is winning more slowly than topspeed does, 4 different tracks now that has happened which is weird, little doubt he could do a faster time if he needed too so not cribbing him.  Bit shocked at the RPRs given out here though.  SS 176 - he looks capable of that but they gave Cue Card 167 in order to give SS that rating?   That would have Cue Card winning pretty much any Arkle in the last three decades and about half the champion chases in that time.  Do we really believe that?

Well, no thieves. But CC would've won a fair few Arkles with that run. All agree that the key to him is getting him settled and putting in a clear round, nobody has ever doubted his engine and he is clearly top notch when it all comes together.
Menorah is a classy animal and put in a relatively good round and was a mile back. Ruby was already niggling when AF made his mistake and looked booked for 3rd at best to my eyes. I also didn't think his mistake was that huge, though acknowledge that the effect of any error in a breakneck 2m chase can be magnified.
Although they've put Cue Card up a chunk from his last win, he barely jumped a fence that day, while yesterday was very different. It would be hard to not give him a hike for that performance.

Ratings inflation is getting out of control IMO.  SS is going to end up rated 200 at this rate!

good luck with that surely lay off though now???

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good luck with that surely lay off though now???

You been on the sauce howdi?........

Odd to see this thread pop up. What a great thread it was though

FF, it was a message to me to tell me to lay my SS QMCC bet off, from the "Antepost bets so far" thread.

Masterminded, out of interest, did you take some of the big prices on Sprinter last year for the QMCC? (page 15 on this thread)  It was actually reading your posts ages ago that made me email the bookies, because you had big prices for his Arkle win before his Supreme Novices run.

Hi WC no I missed the boat totally for the QM big prices. I think I was offered 6 or 7/1 when he was still about 5/2 for the Arkle. It made more sense at the time to top up on him for the Arkle rather than tie up money. I have backed him to remain unbeaten and a single on him for QM before the Tingle Creek but not the tastiest of prices I have to admit. I believe you have a nice price I remember you posting about it?

Yeah mate, some decent prices were knocking about post Christmas, but as you say it means tying up money and then there's so many things that can go wrong in 15 months.

Have to admit I've backed Simonsig for next years King George and Gold Cup, and Grandouet for the Arkle.  No idea if Grandouet is going chasing but think he would make a great chaser, so that's a really speculative one.  If it comes off you look great next year, but then you can also end up looking like a spanner if they stay hurdling or flop as chasers.

I think next year, Hendo's chasers will be:

Gold Cup: Long Run, Bobs Worth, Simonsig (think he will be triple handed)
Ryanair: Finians and Riverside
Champion Chase: Sprinter
Arkle: Darlan and Grandouet (hopefully)
Jewson: Possibly Oscar Whisky.

captain conan- ryanair perhaps?

Good shout; completely forgot about him.

That's good stuff WC, I wish I had the patience and the foresight to look ahead and do a few of those bets, I never do though, i did think about backing rooster booster for the following years CH as he was crossing the line in the county hurdle in the post Istabraq era but didn't get round to backing him till october, got 20's then, that's about the longest ante-post bet I've ever done though

could any list the email addresses for some of the bookmakers in regards to ante post quotes. Can't seem to find any email addresses on there websites.

Brooksie, I'd concentrate on 365 and Patrick Power personally.  These are the two who usually have much better offer than others and always give the best quotes for me.

365: support-eng@customerservices365.com - Just put your username, and what selection you want and they normally get back to you in a couple of hours

PP: support@paddypower.com - as above

Of the big high steet bookies, Laddies are usually the best.  Go to "help" on the top right hand side, then contact us, and then select the email web form.

If you like a price they give you, you just have to ring them up and put it on over the phone.

From my experience Hills and VC very rarely give long term prices out, and Stan James never do.

It is interesting to see what prices they give though.  Because there's no oddschecker prices, so they can't compare prices with each other and they vary hugely.  For example, 365 offered me 6/1 on Grandouet but Paddy offered 33's.  With Sprinter, 365 originally came back with 28's and VC 6's.  Before last year's Neptune I asked for Simonsig Champ Hurdle prices and 365 offered 33's, whilst Paddy Power were 10's (didn't take that one thankfully).

Good luck, and post back if you get any tasty prices

cheers wellchief, will deffo post back some quotes

good stuff lads,would interest me as well.

Me too, perhaps we could appoint WC our official recon man!

Great stuff O P... they knew !