Peddlers Cross - Possible champion chase target next year?

no chance wot so ever very impressed with him think he could well turn over HF next year stays over hurdles

50/1 arkle
1000 qm

hope this helps

Have had similar thoughts COH, Next year's QM looks like being weaker (don't rate this year's Arkle, first three in this year's QM will be knocking on a bit)

Next year's Arkle is potentially read hot (Peddler, Oscar Whisky, Sprinter Sacre, Cue Card, Menorah, Dunguib) all possibles to go chasing

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if a novice won the QM

read hot

ffs

i agree fft, if peddlers goes chasing which might be doubtful, if he jumps well theres every chance he will be in the mix. if i was going to back anything for the champion chase now it would be either peddlers or ghizao

ghizao???

Surely you have been watching the whole of the season, and previous seasons, where it has been shown time and time again that novices need their novice education before being moved up to the seniors.

Mikael D'Haguenet - Gold Cup

Time For Rupert - Gold Cup

Cue Card - Champion Chase

Why do people still raise this question, because they have 5 quid at 100 on here, tiresome tiresome rubbish.

Agree,if PC goes chasing it will be the Arkle or RSA.personally think it should be the Arkle.
He may stay 3m in time,but he has plenty of speed.

Sizing Europe wins again, still had another gear left.

Hard to argue with that,he may be 10 next year,but that was one of the most impressive QM displays i have seen.

not tiresome at all Eric surely everyone can make their own mind up

wasn't saying for a second that Peddler (or any other novice for that matter) should be pitched in at the deep end, just that the QM has a weak look about it next year and if a top novice were to go down that route, they could hold a lively chance in it

There's the not too small matter of learning to jump, then jump at pace, then do it amongst the best novices at it before you even think of taking on experienced chasers at the highest level. How about the Arkle first before asking a horse to go even faster than that in a literally break neck Queen Mother against Sizing Europe, Big Zeb and Finians Rainbow. By the time Finians runs in a Queen Mother he will have a few more races under his belt and will be ready.

Far be it from me to question a novice who hasnt learned to jump at the highest speed required in the game yet be asked to potentially pay the ultimate price before he is ready to satisfy chancers with 10 quid stupid bets on them on here to be thrown in at the deep end before they are ready.

Have a bet at an honest price you tight g1t OP.

am i missing something. a horse that was a brilliant second in champion hurdle, beat by a previously fragile horse that missed the last two festivals. why not keep hurdling, about 50% chance hurricane is injured and u have a champions hurdle favorite.

Agree with FFT, and Peddlers has won a p2p so we know he can jump fences.

Mullins has realised why Fly kept getting injured as he gives 100% in work at home, so this season he has only done half speed work at home meaning future injuries are less likely.

I think someone said that Peddlers will go to Punchestown for a rematch with Fly I suppose if they are beaten again it will mean they go chasing.

cv - my biggest ap bet at festival was peddlars ew, and i have to admit i was delighted with performance. it did not fail as such, just beat by better horse on day. On ratings ran it's best ever race. However when you look at time for rupert, should it have stayed in grade 1 staying hurdles, time will tell. Sizing europe is last champion hurdle horse that has improved on to chases, but i would argue 20% chance. Surely much better chance of soft ground to give hurricane a close race again or hurricane being injured again then peddlars being a top class chaser. Think of pipes horse that went to ireland, straw beare etc. and loads more i am sure.

2010 - Neptune Investment Hurdle (5yo)
2011 - Champion Hurdle (6yo)
2012 - Arkle (7yo)
2013 - Champion Chase (8yo)
2014 - Gold Cup (9yo)
2015 - Gold Cup (10yo)

peddlers is going to aintree not punchestown

Asuming PC goes chasing it's not in Donald McCain's make up to be sooting at the moon knowing if he misses he might hit a cloud.

He would most likely keep the novice PC to novice races and go for the Arkle if he proves to b good enough

Don't forget this horse gets further than 2 miles and you shouldn't assume just because he finished 2nd in a Champion Hurdle he'd automatically be fast enough over fences to compete with Sizing Europe and co.

Even if he won the Arkle I can't see PC reaiining his speed at 8 to go for the QMCC. His make-up is surely that of a staying chaser in the long term and races like the Ryanair or Gold Cup are more likely future targets?

All that and the poor beggar hasn't jumped a fence in public yet

Evra,Punch is a month after Aintree,maybe they will do both.
Doubt it, but its possible imo.

The Arkle is a special race, even more prestigious than the supreme novices or RSA imo, do people pass up winning Arkles? I can remember My Way De Solzen's Arkle better than Voy Por Ustedes Champion Chase.

yeah me too, but that's because Twist Magic and Dont Push It hit the deck at the same fence. Very fortunate winner was MWDS.

If ginger was still training he'd be aiming it at the Grand National. His son is a lot shrewder.
Given the horse is clearly the best 2m hurdler this side of the Irish sea it would be a strange
decision to send him chasing. Mullins isn't one for sending his horses across (except for cheltenham)
leaving PC to mop up all the 2m hurdles pre cheltenham.  A point to point win means nothing as their
usually very uncompetitive and run at a slow pace. His hurdling is good but by no means his greatest
asset and you need to be an excellent jumper at speed to win top level 2m chases.
I hope they stick to hurdles and are running the risk of souring the horse by sending him chasing.
Whatever they choose I wish the horse well.

Come to think of it, I thought Voy Por's Arkle battle with Monets was more memorable than his CC as well as I felt the race lost its sparkle when Well Chief crashed out.

Point is the Champion chase will be an easier race than the Arkle next year. Sizing Europe might have a crack at 3m again while there looks to be little else.

I think what makes the Arkle special is that it is usually the only point where future CC and GC horses come together before going down different paths.

Gotta love it Tinker "Given the horse is clearly the best 2m hurdler this side of the Irish sea"

And if Binocular beats him at Aintree which is highly likely. Only one place to go when you get to the top of a mountain and that's down.

PC was 100% spot  for Cheltenham and taking on Binocular is a bit different than what he had to do at Aintree last season.

He'll need every edge he has to be sharp to beat the Henderson horse who is still a class Act and PC does lack that little bit of toe as we saw in the CH.

I'd be hanging on to that statement until after the Aintree Hurdle matey.

Whilst there is every arguement that Binocular is a better horse and maybe better for missing Cheltenham the last place Id have him to beat Peddlers is the Aintree Hurdle. I think it plays more to PC's stengths than Binocular's. I'm yet to see how Binocular is anything like the same horse other half a mile further given his turn of foot

it's a real dilemma
i would make pc clear fave over binocular over 2 and a half 99 times out of 100, but what complicates it is is the unbelievably hard race pc had and how fresh bin will be....

Agree mate

Rondetto
Binoculer has very little chance of staying a well run 2 1/2m race. Peddlers Cross will probably beat him
at Aintree but he is also not running at his best trip and highly likely to be a under priced.
Binoculer may have nicked third place in the champion hurdle ,if he was on one of his going days.

Anyone who thinks PC will beat Bino at Aintree should take the 9s available for next years CH. DMcC said he was the best hurdler in this country and hadn't even jumped a fence at home yet. Surely if he wins he must stay hurdling.
Similarly anyone who thinks Bino wins should take the 6s because PC is likely to go chasing if he gets beaten.

Are there really people out there that still think Bino's main asset is a turn of foot??

What performance is it otherwise? I'd hardly call him a grinder

He's more of a grinder than a speedster imv

His main asset (other than his hurdling) is his unbelievable cruising speed. He needs a relentless gallop to show this and is why he comes unstuck in the small field trials. His best two performances to date imo have been last years champion obviously, and his International win at Ascot in 08 which Celestial Halo set up for him. He has been turned over in such races as the Fighting Fifth won by Go Native which turned into a 4 furlong dash, because he doesnt have much of a turn of foot.

Thats fair enough. Just stunned in the space of a year we've gone from not being able to get up the hill, to fancying him to beat Peddlers over 2m 4f

Only morons ever thought a horse 2nd in a supreme and 3rd in a champion hurdle after an interupted prep didnt think he got up the hill.

^ what an horrific sentence, apologies.

I agree with that mate as it goes, but what performance is it that makes anyone think he gets 2m 4f let alone beats a top horse at the trip is what I am asking cos I dont see it

That's fair enough. Suppose we won't know until he trys it, but he hasn't really looked a weak finisher to me. Wasn't stopping in last year's Champ Hurdle was he.

Agree mate

I believe plan A for the McCain stable will be a chasing campaign next season. In the RP yesterday the trainer said he could be even better over further and once tackling fences. He'll be seven next year, and I don't think they plan to wait. There seemed no bad luck attached to his defeat in the Champion - a faster pace would arguably have suited HF just as much as he, and no real reason to expect a reversal next year. Besides that, there's Binocular, Zarkander and others around. I think the only thing that could sway them would be if he also took in Punchestown and beat the Fly (don't imagine he'll go there). A beating of Binocular over 2m4f would not enhance Champion Hurdle claims.
Things can change - an injury to HF, failing to school well - but the logic at present would be to go chasing. I've stuck £100 at 13 to back this feeling up, although I doubt they'll say much until Mr Leslie has decided which race to punt on for next year's Festival. If you recall, his price tumbled this season well before it was announced that he was to remain hurdling.

Wins the Arkle IMO, great cruiser and if he jumps fences 70% as well as he jumps hurdles, his superior engine WILL carry him home. THE ARCHETYPAL ARKLE HORSE.

Plans not yet announced

Pooh

They will keep him over hurdles to try and clean up in England however he has very little chance of reversing form with Hurricane Fly at Cheltenham.

Think Zarkandar could improve past him next season so even that plan may fail.

eric_morris
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They will keep him over hurdles to try and clean up in England however he has very little chance of reversing form with Hurricane Fly at Cheltenham.
he is going chasing next season,hope this helps

We will see.

Not the most obvious chaser I have seen, hope that helps. Think you might find him reverting back.

Will win the RSA nxt year

Not a chance he'll go for rsa.

Why's that?

Shortened everywhere for the Arkle today - happy with my 16's.

Will have a bet on Thousand Stars as well if he is still 20/1 in the Autumn

Cos he will run in the Arkle.
Hes just finished a close up 2nd in the CH.Why on earth would he run in the RSA??
He might even end up in the QM,whatever i am pretty confident he will be campaigned over 2m in decent races.

Going for the RSA now would be ridiculous.

It would destroy one of the best chasing prospects we have seen in a while.  Think he'd stay 3m in time but he'll only be 7 at the next Festival.  McCain adores Peddlers and would never send him to the RSA

What happens to the best hurdler in England over 2m after he hits a couple of fences lets say because he is fairly straight backed and perhaps not agile enough for fences a couple of novice chases in? Do they try for a 5th in the Arkle or go back hurdling?

Not sure he'll be as good over fences as over hurdles. One I am sure will be better over fences than hurdles is Sprinter Sacre

If Hurricane Fly didnt make the Champion Hurdle he WILL go back hurdling.

Basically a really sh1t bet at a short price the Arkle, especially after reading connections comments I think they will stay hurdling anyway and are throwing everyone a googly.

Time will tell,he certainly is good enough to stay hurdling.

Before his Aintree defeat:

On the possibility of going novice chasing next season, McCain said: "You'd be turning your back on being the best hurdler in the country.

"He doesn't look like a hurdler. He's a big, strong horse and we bought him as a chaser.

"We've got all summer to think about it and we'll get Aintree out of the way first. I haven't even schooled him over a fence since he's been here, but we will do at some stage I'm sure."

Obviously not a certainty to take to fences, but it is the long term plan.  He has all the attributes to be an Arkle winner, and he has more long term potential over fences than hurdling imo. 

Theres nothing wrong with starting him off in something like the Fighting Fifth again and go from there.  I'm sure he will be schooled in the summer anyway.

Was gobsmacked by how close this horse got to Hurricane Fly, always thought stamina would be his greatest asset but clearly he is not lacking for speed or a turn of foot. I would definitely send him chasing were he mine with nothing less than the Gold Cup as the longeterm objective. Perhaps the Arkle is the more natural target at this point but I don't doubt for a second that PC can stay 3m to 3m 2.
The only point of him remaining in the hurdling sphere would be a forlorn hope that Hurricane Fly gets injured or something, something I can't see happening in light of how that horse has toughened up the last year.

i maybe wrong but hasnt peddlers won a p2p?

indeed he has, liscarrol 09, a maiden point

thank you.

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