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Hurricane Fly v Binocular
Hurricane Fly v Binocular
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Yeah that's a testament to Peddlers Cross and his never giving up, but Fly did go past on the bit, just had to battle it out up the hill after he did though. He would have gone by be it before or after the last. A protracted battle with Peddlers was most certainly not in the script.
Ruby said he never settled and he hit the front too soon, he was trying to hold him back but had to go. He didn't settle because they didn't go quick enough for him. |
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Jockeys sometimes just say they went too soon. McCoy said that on master Minded as an excuse. The Champion Chase just shows us that that's where the horse is.
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The tactic is always to go after the last on Hurricane Fly, he has more speed than anything he'll ever face. So before a horse has a chance to rally Fly is past and can't be pegged back before the line. Ruby was right with his assessment I had the same opinion of the race and he just confirmed it.
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hf fly won well, but he didnt have the defending champion in the race so theres always gonna be ? over this victory, but u can only beat whats in front of you
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Still think Dunguib is better than Hurricane Fly?
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CV why did you underestimate PC ? Is that because of his proximity to HF ?
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Binoculer may have come third in the CH the 2 in front are probably a fair bit better than him.
I considered PC an outstanding horse pre-race and though he isn't quite as good as I thought he was he'd still probably have won every CH there has been since Istabraq stopped winning. He's a very pacey 2m horse who had been winning 2 1/2 m races on class alone. If a specialist 2 1/2 m horse lines up at Aintree ( an AL ELLIE type) he will be beaten, if its a weak field he could just outclass them. A 100% Hurricane Fly would eat Binocler for breakfast on any ground and no matter what the pace over 2m. The best 2m horse since Istabraq, hurricane fly. |
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what a ridiculous post that is. Absolute tripe, im afraid.
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Thought Peddlers would have been tapped for toe but he actually burned everything off bar Hurricane, horse has got more pace than I thought...will make a smashing chaser next season...as for Binocular think he would have been 2nd/3rd on Tue, not convinced he would have gotten past Peddlers remember how he was outbattled by Captain CB & Punjabi/Celestial Halo
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Outbattled as a 4 year old yeah.
Chaps .. the stablemate of Binocular finished 3rd. Oscar Whiskey. Bino is a stone better than that thing make no mistake. |
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dont see why him being outbattled as a 4 & 5 yr old means he wouldnt be outbattled as a 7 yr old! So on your line with Oscar Whiskey Binoc would have beaten the Fly by 8 lengths on Tue...now that is a ridiculous thought...I knew we'd have the naysayers to crab the form after Binoc was pulled out...hope he turns up at Punchestown so we can put this to bed
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of course it does, he is not at his physical peak. That is basic logic.
You just ask McCoy and NJH who the better horse is and see what they tell you. Bino was upsides PC at Newbury After the last flight when he was half fit. He'd beat him next time, no doubt about it. |
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well I think its basic logic to suggest a horse can have mental issues with prolonged battles irrespective of the stage they are at in their careers...I hope Binocular takes on the Fly at Punchestown although I'm sure you'd find another excuse for him once he gets turned over by the Fly there!
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what have I posted which is an excuse ?
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It was this time last year I backed Hurricane Fly for the Champion Hurdle just gone, 14/1 with Paddy Power; best bet I ever done [:)] Straight after the race the Fly came into about 13/2
If these run against each other I wonder how it would effect the price for next year? For next year, the Fly is currently 7/2 and Bino is 6. If Bino wins I think his price would go to about 4, and if the Fly wins probably about 3 maybe?? |
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The Fly keeps winning when he shows up whereas binocular doesn't.
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Bino is only ever campaigned for one race. They have always said that.
for the record, I hope they both meet in Ireland .. provided the ground is not soft/heavy |
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Binocular is likely to go to Aintree so I doubt they are going to meet.
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Might get a form line through Peddlar's though although it's over a different distance!?
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If they trained bino to win more than one race a season you'd hear him rattle.
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Henderson saying in RP column today it's possible both Bino and OW will go to Aintree for Aintree Hurdle - if PC and Solwhit also show up will be a race to savour.
I'd prefer Bino to go to Punchestown to take on HF though. |
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Lads, are we overlooking the fact that Ruby said Hurricane Fly never settled, in which case isn't he much better than the winning margin?
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Hope Binocular turns up in Aintree is Henderson is afraid to send him to Punchestown.
He'll be beaten there by Solwhit  |
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Sint I underestimated the thread Peddlers posed in the Champion hurdle, Menorah was the unknown danger in my eyes, he was impressive visually in the bula but I'd no idea if Cue Card was a good horse or not. Once he was stuffed in the Supreme I thought Fly became a certainty and went in again at the track. I didn't think Peddlers 1l defeat to Starluck amounted to much. But what I was wrong about was Peddlers keeps finding more and more and more, he's a fantastic horse.
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Fly never settled at all in that race and it wasn't his best performance at all. Yes he won but he's a lot better than that run, he needs them to go quicker to settle. Mullins has said that all season.
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so hes better than the winning margain then and has more in hand on Peddlers, Peddlers Arkle winner imo btw
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Peddlers defo will go chasing I'd say.
Hurricane Fly is much better than his Champion hurdle run, I'm sure of it. If they went quicker he'd have settled and he could have waited to nail them after the last. He's never going to win races by 10l because he's got the devastating turn of foot which means he can always nail horses at the end. What I love most about him is his consistency, no matter the ground or how the race is run or the distance for that matter he gives his all. |
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Hurricane Fly very impressive. Doesn't matter what course, country, track, going, competition, time between races, he keeps winning. Hope he stays sound next season. Like others went off Menorah when Cue Card proved himself a stayer like the other horse beaten in the Bula. This year's champion looked a much better race than last year's.
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Yeah defo better race than last year especially given Go Native got injured and Solwhit was sick, the rest of and the field aren't much.
Fly is now 9/10 in his runs in Ireland and England. Proper Champion. Just a pity he might only win 1 more champion before age catches up. He's good enough to win last years race and he was entered in the champion hurdle at a novice in 08 as Cousin Vinny was fav for the Supreme. |
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Definitely a better champion than Binocular who seems to need an army of vets (struck off or otherwise), chiropractors, blood testers and faith healers to get him right on the day.
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yep.its good to have a champion that wins his races during the season.
Very impressive horse. |
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The muttering after the Stayers' was that Big Bucks wouldn't be far away in a Champion Hurdle. Well, given that Hurricane Fly has never shown any sign of stopping after two and a half miles, I think there's more chance that he'd win a Stayer's than Big Bucks win a Champion !
A great champion, and I think speculation about Binocular is pointless. Those who were on Binocular will feel robbed, while HF fans are most unlikely lose much sleep over his absence. However, if Binocular finishes his season with a convincing win at Aintree, what a showdown we could anticipate next year. Other than, perhaps, Zarkander, I can hardly see a single horse quoted in the betting that could be in the same league as these two and, with neither likely to cross the Irish sea before Cheltenham, we can anticipate an Anglo/Irish clash the likes of which you have to go back to Sea Pigeon/Monksfield to compare. |
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HURRICANE FLY WOULD HAMMER BINOCULAR - END OF!
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