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I saw that Laddies had said their turnover for the Festival is down last week.
Think one of the reasons they withdrew from oddschecker was because they went NRNB early on the big 4 races. This means your prices are shorter ultimately and they wouldnt have looked good side by side with those not going NRNB.
Early NRNB is very bad for punters because even though they get their stake back if the horse doesnt make the race, the horse could be in worse for come the race and the ground conditions could be bad for the horse yet the punter is taking shorter prices well in advance of a race allowing bookmakers to squeeze the value out of antepost.
DO NOT think they are doing you a favour with this early offer ... they are doing it to squeeze the value when you are still taking on the disadvantages of backing a horse well in advance of a race when it makes the race and it could be in worse form come the day and drift or the ground play a big part. You get shorter odds backing on the day because you know these factors so why take cr@p odds well in advance when you dont know them?
Think one of the reasons they withdrew from oddschecker was because they went NRNB early on the big 4 races. This means your prices are shorter ultimately and they wouldnt have looked good side by side with those not going NRNB.
Early NRNB is very bad for punters because even though they get their stake back if the horse doesnt make the race, the horse could be in worse for come the race and the ground conditions could be bad for the horse yet the punter is taking shorter prices well in advance of a race allowing bookmakers to squeeze the value out of antepost.
DO NOT think they are doing you a favour with this early offer ... they are doing it to squeeze the value when you are still taking on the disadvantages of backing a horse well in advance of a race when it makes the race and it could be in worse form come the day and drift or the ground play a big part. You get shorter odds backing on the day because you know these factors so why take cr@p odds well in advance when you dont know them?
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See what you are saying,but i only did one NRNB with lads,Big Zeb at 4,guess i got lucky!!
When saying Early NRNB I am talking a month or two in advance not the week before of course when the prices have shortened and most value normally gone anyway.
I think it depends on your point on view! For me, ive thrown too many ante post tickets away to worry about pinching the odd point or two in price; I want a run for my money so NRMB works for me!
I think it was sporting to offer the concession; ask people who backed Diamond Harry for the Gold Cup, I think they'd disagree with you!
I think it was sporting to offer the concession; ask people who backed Diamond Harry for the Gold Cup, I think they'd disagree with you!
I took advantage of Laddies early nrnb wi Zeb at 7/2 & the Commander at 4s. It was the best price int village & nrnb to boot. It's just another option & if the price ain't right nobodys forced to take it anyway.The proverbial win win!(from a value perspective).
You'll be forced to take it if all bookies do the same and it is all NRNB ... and if this happens the value will disappear and the antepost markets and forum may as well close if that happens.
It would kill antepost turnover for bookies eventually. The only people gaining are layers on here taking NRNB and hoping to cop the lot laying it back on here if it out or horses in 2 races nothing lost in arbing both nrnb prices onto here.
What's killing ante post punting (at Cheltenham) is the new dilluted festival, fantastic as it is the additional 9 races (from original 18) has created a number of options for trainers so virtually every horses carries multiple entries, in the good old days a 2m chaser would go for the QM, these days if stamina isn't an issue they'll hold a Ryanair entry as well.
I stopped punting AP years ago, I wouldn't be surprised if most regular punters kept their powder dry until the, when (as the OP says above) you could get a bigger price anyway
I stopped punting AP years ago, I wouldn't be surprised if most regular punters kept their powder dry until the, when (as the OP says above) you could get a bigger price anyway
You also dont know the opposition backing well in advance which you do know on the day so why take shorter prices NRNB well in advance when a hotpot may make the race and make your price look silly come the day.
Tell you what why not just place the bet then ask for your money back the same day if you dont want risk but dont give me sh1t odds for that risk which is still there if my horse makes the race.
Tell you what why not just place the bet then ask for your money back the same day if you dont want risk but dont give me sh1t odds for that risk which is still there if my horse makes the race.
Very true horse9, the Ryanair and the new 2m4f race should be scratched! Connections have no right to win a Festival race, if your horse isn't quick enough for two miles and doesn't quite stay three, then tough!!
Exactly dwm, there are other festivals with race distances to suit, the biggest hurdle race at Aintree is 2m 4f for instance.
Many horses had 3 entries for Cheltenham, Captain Chris is still in the Jewson and Arkle, same for Bensalem, both favs for two different races, punters don't have a hope, so until you see the horses in the parade ring you can't have a bet IMO
Many horses had 3 entries for Cheltenham, Captain Chris is still in the Jewson and Arkle, same for Bensalem, both favs for two different races, punters don't have a hope, so until you see the horses in the parade ring you can't have a bet IMO
Yeah well you're so boring we're trying to liven it up a bit!
You're right when you say it's here to stay, but put up and shut up, nothing you can do about it!
You're right when you say it's here to stay, but put up and shut up, nothing you can do about it!
Start a different thread re the Jewson, totally different issue, agree it makes the novice races very difficult now.
someone came on here spouting that Master Minded was great value at 2/1 NRNB ages ago,so that proves you are right Eric,but at the same time Big Zeb was 4/1 so that gives you the other side.
i think basically you are correct,but as always their are exceptions.
i think basically you are correct,but as always their are exceptions.
ive always said bookies should offer 2 set of prices on ante post, for example say 2,000 guineas one set of prices all in frankel 6/4 and another set with frankel say 4/7 with a run, punters then get a choice
I'm sure a lot of punters will see it how the bookies want them to ... that this is a great deal when it very most definitely isnt. Trading antepost value in to get NRNB is just a way of accepting that bookies are going to shaft you in the long term by taking the value away and giving you virtually day of race prices but without the drastic advantages you normally get backing in day of race NRNB markets.
If you back a horse today for a race taking place today, you know the ground, you know the quality of opposition, you know the current form of your horse ... so you get no value advantage in the price you are given.
Lets not allow the bookies to take away your value when you DONT KNOW these factors well in advance of the race. A week or so before fine have NRNBs on with them, but any earlier NRNB markets are there to shaft you value-wise.
If you back a horse today for a race taking place today, you know the ground, you know the quality of opposition, you know the current form of your horse ... so you get no value advantage in the price you are given.
Lets not allow the bookies to take away your value when you DONT KNOW these factors well in advance of the race. A week or so before fine have NRNBs on with them, but any earlier NRNB markets are there to shaft you value-wise.
That already exists, it is called day of race market or even now taking your price nrnb the week or so before.
Taking NRNB any earlier than that will kill antepost eventually.
Taking NRNB any earlier than that will kill antepost eventually.
I can see what you are saying eric but I think there are times when it is still worthwhile. I have a few quid ew on Tidal Bay at 50s from around 2 months ago for example. I'm not saying he'll win but I wouldn't mind having a few quid more on at 50s if I could.
the bookies will do whatever is best for business....Ladbrokes came off Oddschecker cos they wanted to get traffic direct to their site...some best i would rather take NRNB and a shorter price in December/January, other best i would rather the longer price...at least you have the option which we never used to have.....and what people never mention is that (say) if 2 horses dominate an ante-post market and one drops out, they say the bookies have cleaned up on those losing bets but they forget that people backing the other horse have got a bigger orice than it is now. Ante-post works fine if you're a good judge and have discipline.
buddeliea; I thought Master Minded was good value when Ladbrokes were offering 5/2 NRMB after he won the Tingle Creek, at Cheltenham, when Hills and Coral were offering 2/1 and 7/4 respectively, with ante post rules applied!
they went NRNB early on the big 4 races. This means your prices are shorter ultimately and they wouldnt have looked good side by side with those not going NRNB.
Laddies were outright best price on a few in Dec (eg Peddlars Cross, Big Bucks etc) - the takers of NRNB on these must have had value in them, if only compared to other books!
Laddies were outright best price on a few in Dec (eg Peddlars Cross, Big Bucks etc) - the takers of NRNB on these must have had value in them, if only compared to other books!
At the end of the day people you will get what you deserve ... I am just trying to warn you what that will eventually be if you take the carrot... or maybe they want to give you more money long term as you seem to believe? Do you believe in fairies or the attempt to remove value from antepost?
eric_morris Date Joined: 27 Jun 10
At the end of the day people you will get what you deserve ... I am just trying to warn you what that will eventually be if you take the carrot... or maybe they want to give you more money long term as you seem to believe? Do you believe in fairies or the attempt to remove value from antepost?
What I believe is that bookmaking is a competitive business and that most bookmakers offer something different to give themselves an edge against the market. This is what Lads did IMO.
You are entitled to your conspiracy theories. The majority of us will just bet where the best price and terms can be found and not get too wound up about it.
At the end of the day people you will get what you deserve ... I am just trying to warn you what that will eventually be if you take the carrot... or maybe they want to give you more money long term as you seem to believe? Do you believe in fairies or the attempt to remove value from antepost?
What I believe is that bookmaking is a competitive business and that most bookmakers offer something different to give themselves an edge against the market. This is what Lads did IMO.
You are entitled to your conspiracy theories. The majority of us will just bet where the best price and terms can be found and not get too wound up about it.
It isnt a conspiracy theory .. yes you wont get wound up about it because most dont see beyond next week which is why I am pointing out you will get what you deserve with this if you take NRNB prices any earlier than a week or so before the Festival. It isnt a bank of bets you are building up for yourself then, it is a bank you are building up for your bookie to have as there will be no value in it when all bookies follow suit ... wisen up imo.
For instance, i know two people who were really impressed by Grands Crus back in November and thought he was the most likely danger to Big Buck's in the staying division, but at that stage they were wary of backing him ante-post because the trainer was stilkl going on about it needing winter ground and saying not certain to be aimed at World Hurdle. Ladbrokes when 16/1 NRNB, which was shorter than the 20s available elsewhere but gave them the security that they would at least get a run for their money. They prob wouldnt be on him at big prices if it wasnt for that NRNB option in December.
Great coming from you duncan idontknow. They are presumably doing this for charitable causes to the public and not with long term profits in mind. The only way to increase profits is to remove the value you are getting. You may have noticed betting shop returns being crucified over the last few years well they would like you the antepost punter to also be under their grip and remove any value you have also. Now fook off and read your fairy stories duncan idontknow.
Grand Crus will make the race, they lost 4 points. Add up all the 4 points, not many dont make the gig now they are all prepared to make the meeting. The occasional none runner you have is insignificant compared to losing 20% on every bet you make ... or more which it definitely would be if they got their way on this.
This meeting I only have 5% none runners I would lose fortunes taking NRNB sh1t prices long before the race as would everyone you cluless t1t. The main disadvantages are still there also
This meeting I only have 5% none runners I would lose fortunes taking NRNB sh1t prices long before the race as would everyone you cluless t1t. The main disadvantages are still there also
dont know the opposition, ground, your horses form well before the race yet still giving 20% or more away.
I've done over £10K in NRNB over the last couple of weeks and I'm the right side of the price on all of them...
In the Ryanair I have the following horses 1/4 odds first 3! (will only be about 6 runners):
Poquelin 7/2
Kalahari King 8/1
Albertas Run 12/1
J Y Vole 14/1
Gauvain 16/1
Think NRNB makes sense....
In the Ryanair I have the following horses 1/4 odds first 3! (will only be about 6 runners):
Poquelin 7/2
Kalahari King 8/1
Albertas Run 12/1
J Y Vole 14/1
Gauvain 16/1
Think NRNB makes sense....
If you could be @rsed reading the thread I said anything NRNB from a week or so before the races is ok as the value on the Graded races is gone anyway .. or it is the handicaps quoted late. Your value is virtually day of race you didnt get say 6s Poquelin from longer ago without NRNB you have had to stake nearly twice as much to win the same amount Nrnb hence waiting for nrnb has given you sh1t value by comparison.
The bookies are pushing nrnb further back in time so they can give you a sh1tty 7/2 Poquelin NRNB instead of 6/1 without NRNB when they nearly always make the race anyway. As I say wisen up dont listen to d1mwits like duncan idontknow.
Early NRNB prices are a fantastic concession for punters.To suggest otherwise is ludicrous.The only major firm to give this concession months in advance were Ladbrokes(originally on the 4 Championship races I believe).
This coincided with their trading decision to remove their prices from the Oddschecker site.IMO the concession was introduced to encourage people to view the site who would otherwise have ignored it.
Of course there are horses whose price say 8 weeks ago was smaller than it is now (Masterminded is the obvious example).However the number of horses whose price has shrunk,(Kauto,Denman,Long Run,Menorah,Mille Chief,Grand Cru etc) is far greater.Throw in the number of horses who will not be racing (Diamond Harry,Tranquil Sea etc) and I fail to see the problem.
This coincided with their trading decision to remove their prices from the Oddschecker site.IMO the concession was introduced to encourage people to view the site who would otherwise have ignored it.
Of course there are horses whose price say 8 weeks ago was smaller than it is now (Masterminded is the obvious example).However the number of horses whose price has shrunk,(Kauto,Denman,Long Run,Menorah,Mille Chief,Grand Cru etc) is far greater.Throw in the number of horses who will not be racing (Diamond Harry,Tranquil Sea etc) and I fail to see the problem.
You fail full stop then bud if you dont understand. I can only assume your turnover of bets is low or you are new to this or you are a bookie. Like Clarky it is unlikely you read the whole thread to get the point before commenting perhaps.
I used to work in the bookmaking industry about 9 years ago.
I did read the thread and failed to agree with virtually everything you said.
Ladbrokes were not worst priced every horse during this concession.I personally have backed Denman @ 8/1 and Big Zeb @ 7/2 with them NRNB.They were industry top price on these 2 horses at the time I struck the bets.
I did read the thread and failed to agree with virtually everything you said.
Ladbrokes were not worst priced every horse during this concession.I personally have backed Denman @ 8/1 and Big Zeb @ 7/2 with them NRNB.They were industry top price on these 2 horses at the time I struck the bets.
Do you think they are looking to give you better value or worse value by moving NRNB longer before the day cutting prices earlier?
I have an opposite story to you ... in all the years I have backed antepost I have never backed a lower proportion of my horses with Laddies at Chelts than this season and I have sampled prices across several graded races to determine this so it is an immensely better indicator than your couple of feeble examples. They are averaging lower prices by offering NRNB earlier ... Binocular 5/2 you can always give opposite isolated examples but I know where I am getting the best value and it has not been with them this Chelts.
Let me rephrase the question to you. Is taking shorter prices NRNB for longer in the run up to a race better for the bookie or the punter?
Last post on the subject.
They are not bothered whether they are offering better or worse value for the punter.The reason they went NRNB early on the Championship races,as stated earlier,was to entice you into visiting their site.FWIW the reduction in price of some of the horses which followed still actually left them best industry price on certain runners.
In answer to the question "Is taking shorter prices NRNB for longer in the run up to a race better for the bookie or the punter?" the answer is obvious ........punter.
As punters we have a choice ie whether to bet or not bet.We can study a particular race and decide if taking a smaller price NRNB is a better or worse option.For example PW in his antepost column selected Spirit River at 33/1 for the World Hurdle just before he ran in the Cleeve Hurdle.Two scenarios were likely here,either he ran well (in which case his price for the World Hurdle would be slashed and he would be confirmed for the race) or he would run poorly and wouldn't be aimed at the race(far more likely given his price on the day).In this instance what is the more sensible option,33/1 all in or say 25/1 NRNB?
The point is as punters we have a choice.This year we have found ourselves in the perfect position of having 1 bookie NRNB and most all in run or not.You have to use your skill as a punter to decide what option is best.
One final point.With the advent of the new Jewson chase we now have novice chases over 2/2.5 and 3 miles.If I wanted to back a horse whose target was unsure , eg Captain Chris Arkle/Jewson I would be more than happy to take a smaller price NRNB.
Unlike most on here,I actually enjoy your contributions.You remind me of Adrian Durham on Talksport radio......Loud,insulting,contraversial,wrong most of the time although occassionally the odd insightful comment.He has the excuse that he is encouraging phone calls and texts to generate money for his employer.You no doubt enjoy the banter and winding people up.
Good luck over Cheltenham EM,lets hope Captain Chris runs in the Arkle and you don't regret not having NRNB insurance [;)]
They are not bothered whether they are offering better or worse value for the punter.The reason they went NRNB early on the Championship races,as stated earlier,was to entice you into visiting their site.FWIW the reduction in price of some of the horses which followed still actually left them best industry price on certain runners.
In answer to the question "Is taking shorter prices NRNB for longer in the run up to a race better for the bookie or the punter?" the answer is obvious ........punter.
As punters we have a choice ie whether to bet or not bet.We can study a particular race and decide if taking a smaller price NRNB is a better or worse option.For example PW in his antepost column selected Spirit River at 33/1 for the World Hurdle just before he ran in the Cleeve Hurdle.Two scenarios were likely here,either he ran well (in which case his price for the World Hurdle would be slashed and he would be confirmed for the race) or he would run poorly and wouldn't be aimed at the race(far more likely given his price on the day).In this instance what is the more sensible option,33/1 all in or say 25/1 NRNB?
The point is as punters we have a choice.This year we have found ourselves in the perfect position of having 1 bookie NRNB and most all in run or not.You have to use your skill as a punter to decide what option is best.
One final point.With the advent of the new Jewson chase we now have novice chases over 2/2.5 and 3 miles.If I wanted to back a horse whose target was unsure , eg Captain Chris Arkle/Jewson I would be more than happy to take a smaller price NRNB.
Unlike most on here,I actually enjoy your contributions.You remind me of Adrian Durham on Talksport radio......Loud,insulting,contraversial,wrong most of the time although occassionally the odd insightful comment.He has the excuse that he is encouraging phone calls and texts to generate money for his employer.You no doubt enjoy the banter and winding people up.
Good luck over Cheltenham EM,lets hope Captain Chris runs in the Arkle and you don't regret not having NRNB insurance [;)]
My sh1tty 7/2 on Poquelin is going to look pretty good when he goes off 15/8 fav on the day....
ive been in touch with few bookies today and theyre adamant that rule 4 also applies at the moment on these nrnb
Paddy Power and Stan James are REFUNDING ALL BETS on Binocular however those who placed their bets with Laddies before they went NRNB will LOSE THEIR MONEY. Mmmmm.....
Already them going NRNB very early means some of their customers will lose cash with them BUT NOT with 2 of their biggest competitors.
You really are clueless, eric. I'll not trouble you again.
Meaningful comment ... NOT. You cant argue with my logic. Do the maths , if your mate lost 4 points on Grands Crus that is more than he would have returned on Binocular for a level stake. Punters are now losing money with Laddies because of this offer wheras they are being refunded by Paddy Power and Stan James.
Sorry eric you are talking shyte. AP NRNB does have it's advantages.
I backed Saldatino and Walkon at 33/1 before they ran in the Totesport for the Champion Hurdle. If one of them had won well off a high weight they would have gone for the CH and been much shorter, if they had not done that they were never gonna show up in the race. I was on a bet to nothing on both. I appreciate it didn't come off but I'm getting my money back and had the chance of a value bet.
There were only two outcomes I could see in the above example. I either had a great value bet after the race or I would get my stake back. Now I appreciate it didn't come off but the early NRNB gave me the chance of that free bet at could have been big odds.
Tidal Bay was best priced 50/1 with Laddies when I backed him for the GC ew and with Laddies and they were also nrnb. Now why on earth is that possibly bad for me the punter? I was gonna back him anyway and now I'm nrnb and best odds too. Early NRNB is great for us punters because it gives us more choice. We can still bet at a better price with others if we choose to but if you are having a speculative bet on a horse that may not run then the Laddies offer is perfect. Dunguib was also best priced 14/1 with them when I backed him and they were the only ones going NRNB, again I was going to back him anyway so why not take the best option for me and back him nrnb.
There is no point discussing your opinions on whether my bets are any good or not. We are discussing the merits of their nrnb offer. For me this offer made perfect sense in what I was going to back and therefore Ladbrokes got my business. In fact I opened an account with them specifically because of the offer. That is why bookies make concessions like the one laddies did, to try and attract more customers.
I backed Saldatino and Walkon at 33/1 before they ran in the Totesport for the Champion Hurdle. If one of them had won well off a high weight they would have gone for the CH and been much shorter, if they had not done that they were never gonna show up in the race. I was on a bet to nothing on both. I appreciate it didn't come off but I'm getting my money back and had the chance of a value bet.
There were only two outcomes I could see in the above example. I either had a great value bet after the race or I would get my stake back. Now I appreciate it didn't come off but the early NRNB gave me the chance of that free bet at could have been big odds.
Tidal Bay was best priced 50/1 with Laddies when I backed him for the GC ew and with Laddies and they were also nrnb. Now why on earth is that possibly bad for me the punter? I was gonna back him anyway and now I'm nrnb and best odds too. Early NRNB is great for us punters because it gives us more choice. We can still bet at a better price with others if we choose to but if you are having a speculative bet on a horse that may not run then the Laddies offer is perfect. Dunguib was also best priced 14/1 with them when I backed him and they were the only ones going NRNB, again I was going to back him anyway so why not take the best option for me and back him nrnb.
There is no point discussing your opinions on whether my bets are any good or not. We are discussing the merits of their nrnb offer. For me this offer made perfect sense in what I was going to back and therefore Ladbrokes got my business. In fact I opened an account with them specifically because of the offer. That is why bookies make concessions like the one laddies did, to try and attract more customers.
Ok you go with it and a few years down the line you will see I was right when the value is gone and antepost is day of race prices but you wont have the advantages of knowing the opposition, ground and form of your horse on the day to compensate for the dire prices.
Been doing this a long time now and this one is obvious to me. Good luck.
Been doing this a long time now and this one is obvious to me. Good luck.
I've saved a fortune thanks to Ladbrokes NRNB on Bino. So thank you.
Whatever. Bookies compete with each other for our business and there will always be different concessions from different bookmakers.
I highlight a couple or reasons as to why your arguement is not valid and you instantly switch to a different angle and talk of the future. All through this thread you have highlighted that the offer is stupid right now as well as talking about what may happen going forward. Now you only want to worry about a few years down the line because I've suggested right now it is a decent offer and given example.
I don't know what is going to happen in the future and neither do you. For the most part horses not making the race is the reason why bookies are keen to take our antepost money. Fancied horses like Diamond Harry, Riverside Theatre, Tranquil Sea etc will all have made the bookies decent moeny and it is examples like those that are the reasons why not all bookies will go AP nrnb like laddies have gone in the future. It takes all the free money away from runners such as those. Now the Binocular example is very rare and the whole thing stinks to high heaven and because of that I think that is why the bookies are keen to distance themselves from the whole debacle. If they were seen to make money from this it would be bad for them and the sport, what they have done isn't necessarily about being nice to the punter. It's more to do with protecting their image.
All I know for sure is that right now I'll take the best value at the best terms available with whoever that may be. If that is Laddies nrnb then great! It's nice to have the choice!
I highlight a couple or reasons as to why your arguement is not valid and you instantly switch to a different angle and talk of the future. All through this thread you have highlighted that the offer is stupid right now as well as talking about what may happen going forward. Now you only want to worry about a few years down the line because I've suggested right now it is a decent offer and given example.
I don't know what is going to happen in the future and neither do you. For the most part horses not making the race is the reason why bookies are keen to take our antepost money. Fancied horses like Diamond Harry, Riverside Theatre, Tranquil Sea etc will all have made the bookies decent moeny and it is examples like those that are the reasons why not all bookies will go AP nrnb like laddies have gone in the future. It takes all the free money away from runners such as those. Now the Binocular example is very rare and the whole thing stinks to high heaven and because of that I think that is why the bookies are keen to distance themselves from the whole debacle. If they were seen to make money from this it would be bad for them and the sport, what they have done isn't necessarily about being nice to the punter. It's more to do with protecting their image.
All I know for sure is that right now I'll take the best value at the best terms available with whoever that may be. If that is Laddies nrnb then great! It's nice to have the choice!
your exactly right cruise d. When Eric Morris started this thread I bet he didn;t think for one minute that a high profile horse would miss chelenham. The NRNB has saved an awful lot of money for punters.
The bloke is a re-tard.
The bloke is a re-tard.
I haven't had a single antepost with Ladbrokes on Cheltenham this year which perhaps says something about the perceived value (espeically as I'm the biggets arber in the world according to Eric
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NRNB is never going to come in on the majority of antepost betting, Ladbrokes just did the big 4 Cheltenham races because they know 95% what the runners are going to be. They will never do it for the classics etc.
And even if every bookie offers nrnb on every antepost race (which I reiterate will never happen) the amount of competition will still ensure that eventually the prices will be back where they should be anyway.
)NRNB is never going to come in on the majority of antepost betting, Ladbrokes just did the big 4 Cheltenham races because they know 95% what the runners are going to be. They will never do it for the classics etc.
And even if every bookie offers nrnb on every antepost race (which I reiterate will never happen) the amount of competition will still ensure that eventually the prices will be back where they should be anyway.
NRNB worked a treat this morning when it was clear binocular was Non Runner
Bet the books are really glad they are offering NRNB best price Guaranteed No rule 4 deduction.
Bet the books are really glad they are offering NRNB best price Guaranteed No rule 4 deduction.
Think they went NRNB for a couple of reasons
1. They did it when the weather was at its absolute worst, hoping maybe to drum up a bit of business and keep the cashflow ticking over, as there are very few credit accounts around nowdays they now get the money up front.
2. They realise quite a few of the population are lazy and if they do get some accounts out of the matter then in the Long run it will do them no harm, they can always weed out any business that isnt to their liking these days
1. They did it when the weather was at its absolute worst, hoping maybe to drum up a bit of business and keep the cashflow ticking over, as there are very few credit accounts around nowdays they now get the money up front.
2. They realise quite a few of the population are lazy and if they do get some accounts out of the matter then in the Long run it will do them no harm, they can always weed out any business that isnt to their liking these days
they are definitley thinking long term for sure. Loads of punters will now have money sitting in their laddies accounts, and be wondering what to do with it. Laddies know the probability is them punters will still bet with it, and likely lose it. That's what they are hoping for.
This early NRNB concession has got Laddies out of paying a fortune in refunds on Binocular as instead of refunding the whole last 12 months on him like the others they will only be refunding the last 3 months worth since they went nrnb on 28th November (other than Carols who wont be getting much business this Chelts now).
They are really looking after you there.
They are really looking after you there.
So you have given up on your arguement and changing the subject now then?
No argument I'm right I see the future better than you.
Eric = Mystic Meg - always wondered what she got up to after she stopped doing the National Lottery
Couldn't disagree with the OP more - if you are selective then early NRNB offers a great opportunity to snatch some value.
eric you don't know what you are talking about. NRNB great concession, and lads lay a bet unlike a lot of the rest. Backing horses that may not run in the race is a great opportunity.
For example 1st dec 2010.
Long run disappointed some in pp chase, but still being aimed at king george. If it flopped in KG would run in ryan air or handicap at cheltenham.
Now ladbrokes were 25/1 nrnb other books 33-1 Ante Post. At that stage prob 20% likely to run in gold cup, 80% ryanair. Invested 2k ew at 25's on the 20% chance(couldn't run in gold cup at bigger odds because would run in a different race).
which price would you take? 25'swhere you get your money back or 33's where only 20% chance of running, 80% chance of doing your money.
Enough said, roll on Cheltenham
For example 1st dec 2010.
Long run disappointed some in pp chase, but still being aimed at king george. If it flopped in KG would run in ryan air or handicap at cheltenham.
Now ladbrokes were 25/1 nrnb other books 33-1 Ante Post. At that stage prob 20% likely to run in gold cup, 80% ryanair. Invested 2k ew at 25's on the 20% chance(couldn't run in gold cup at bigger odds because would run in a different race).
which price would you take? 25'swhere you get your money back or 33's where only 20% chance of running, 80% chance of doing your money.
Enough said, roll on Cheltenham
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