I don't like Willie Mullins

You people crack me up. We still don't know the ground conditions and final declarations yet you expect the trainers to make a decision. Here's a novel idea - wait till you see the final line up and THEN make an informed decision. Does that give you enough time or would you like a couple of weeks?

Willie Mullins is one of the most respected and well liked men in racing and a gentelman to boot

Just because he doesn't tell you what's what does not make him some sort of monster.

My advice is get used to it because he won't be changing his ways anytime soon

Willie Mullins is a legend.

If you actually listen to his interviews carefully on the day of race .. i.e when he has runners that afternoon, he more often than not puts you onto winners. FACT.

Top trainer and I like the fact he leaves everything to the last minute - if you can 2nd guess him you can get some nice value. If you don't like the risks don't back his horses ante-post.

There is a big difference to saying, we'll leave him in both races and decide a couple of days before the race, ground etc. THIS IS FINE.

The problem is half the time he says he is going for a race then the next day says he is going for a different race, THIS IS NOT GOOD.

Either he's not very bright and doesn't realise he is doing it or is a blatant liar.
I don't think it's the former as I respect his training ability, and love lot's of his horses. Sadly it seem's to be the latter.

May be best trainer downy, but that's not the issue, and I don't pocket talk

There is a difference, Mullins gives what appears a clear indication where a horse will go then announces a different target afterwards ... on a continual basis. That is what is not acceptable to punters.

"but didnt mullins say quel esprit heading for 4 miler last week ?"

Jaysus move on will yeah. Nobody with half a brain lost any money due to his comments as some firms were already NRNB.

1.01 stuffed, gimp.

eric and rhinestone don't get roped in by some of the plebs on here spouting the expected garbage. I've posted all of my business already so you can see that I have no financial involvement on any of his horses.

I only started this thread because of an interview I listened to earlier today where he was asked a simple question about that he knew the answer to, but refused to answer it straight. It doesn't make any difference to me, but it just highlighted to me that he's not a pleasent man.

And your true personality has really come out over the past few days CV. It's lucky i'm not as sensitive as you as I might have taken offence to your 'English pricks' comment. As for the rest of your post I can't understand. Is it my education at fault for that or yours?

"Last time he was on ATR, he had negatives about all his runners (bar one huge odds on shot).  That days 4 of his horses were really well backed and hosed up"

Jaysus just because he has a negative about HIS horse doesn't mean they aren't going to win. Did you study the form of the other horses in the race or do you just bet based on the comments of ONE horses trainer. [smiley:crazy]

"Quel Esprit 4 miler"

Why do i get the feeling this WON'T be the last time we hear those words mentioned. It's forever embedded in the anti WM brigades minds. Toossers.

This English/Irish thing has no place in horse racing, I cringe when I see the tricolor wheeled out at Cheltenham. We in Ireland have produced the greatest racehorses, jockeys, and trainers in the world and there is no need to stoop to this base, cheap, jingoistic level. We all just want to see great horses, doesn't matter where they come from.

Totaly agree Neill.

Hmm...some very interesting points here!

I'll stand by my original post that Mullins is overrated...if you want an example, i'll give you Mikael D'Haguenet, the way he's campaigned that horse is nothing short of pathetic, and yes he's admitted so himself, but in my eyes if he's held in the regard of a 'genius' or a 'legend' as ive heard said and seen written, you don't make mistakes like that with such a high profile horse! Cooldine, another, where's he now!? He's miles off the Grade One radar, and before anyone jumps up and down saying that horses are animals at the end of the day and a magnitude of things can go wrong with them and cause them to lose their form, yes this is true, but to lose the potential of two such high class performers cannot be bad luck, he's done something not quite right! He's not a genius, he's not a legend, he a good solid trainer and it pays me to view him that way; very rarely back his runners, as many of them are under priced and over hyped!

As for what he says, he's entitled to say what he wants, as punters we can't expect to be spoon fed information by trainers, they've no obligation to give us any clues what so ever, and even if they do say something, they're entitled to change their mind, I have no problem with this at all!

I don't think this is an English/Irish argument at all, and it's of no surprise to me the names that have suggested it is! The phrase "Irish Talking Horse" is all too common in racing, and all too true! Yes, we all want brilliant horses and no, I don't think anyone cares where they come from, but I do believe across the Irish Sea you have a tendency to hype your animals to something they're not, and if you think you've got a good one, you won't listen to argument because you feel a sense of national pride about it!

In short, I don't think we "English pricks" are the problem here CVByrne!

Cooldine is off having a breathing op.

His record with horses fto for him(ie. come to him from another trainer) is unbelievable.
To get 543 to win a Neptune of the back of one start, bring him back not once but twice from injury.
Getting Quevega to Cheltenham in one piece last yr and win.
No one in Ireland can hold a torch to him at the minute.
He has admitted he made mistakes running both Zaidpour & MDH back too soon after Fairyhouse.
His record even in just the last two seasons alone speaks for itself.

He has so many horses with different owners and many are in the same sphere, and this imo is why he is coy with saying so-and-so goes for this or that. I just feel he is being honest. Too much is made of this imv.

He doesn't hype his own horses, others do. Compare him to Paul Nicholls as regards hype, only one winner there.

Was surprised he committed Quel Esprit to the any race after the gallops, was unlike him.

The Irish/English thing goes both ways, many English people seem to regard Irish racing as second class - look at the quality of horse/jockey/trainer not to mention prize money. Facilities are the big difference in England, they are far superior even at small racecourses.

Fwiw I couldn't give two fks who trains them as long as I've backed them!

Maybe this will change next week it has been a long time coming.

From how many runners has he had in those races to date?
You can only run a horse in the CH if its a CH horse and so on, ffs.

His record at Cheltenham in the novice races speaks for itself and it is only a matter of time before those novices pick up the big ones.

Either way Cheltenham is not the be all and end all of racing.

Eric couldn't stun a fly with a shovel.

He has only come to the fore in Ireland in the past 3/4 years, before that Noel Meade was the leading trainer and had been for 7/8yrs.
Its fairly clear that the yard are getting better and better.

I have never understood the need for people to get personal with trainers and jockeys.

Agreeing with yourself on your new account kirk ydfc?

Sh1t reply, so I am right then he has only been any good with novices and hasnt had the skill to nuture them into senior champions.

Maybe that will change this year a long time coming.

Imagine what Hen Knight could have done with the novice talent he has had. Way less horses and way way more success at the highest level.