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Can't be a@@@d to type the whole lot but.......
Take a look at it's form when conceding half a stone to GMOOH last year in the totepsort trophy. Watch the way it ran last time out in the Kingwell before tiring from about 2 out (this one went straight in the note book after that run for me). It now carries only 1lb more than GMOOH yet is a bigger price for the County Hurdle. It is the most unexposed of the horses at the higher end of the handicap in the County Hurdle. Having been held back and having only one run a month before Chelts it all looks right to me.
Lots of people would steam into GMOOH if they could be sure he'd repeat his form from last spring yet this horse at the weigths could have the beating GMOOH if they both run to their best form anyway. This one looks plotted to me. Naturally could be wrong but at 20s for Saturday and 25s for the County (this afternoon with laddies when I backed). He looks a value bet to me.
Any thoughts?
.Can't be a@@@d to type the whole lot but.......
Take a look at it's form when conceding half a stone to GMOOH last year in the totepsort trophy. Watch the way it ran last time out in the Kingwell before tiring from about 2 out (this one went straight in the note book after that run for me). It now carries only 1lb more than GMOOH yet is a bigger price for the County Hurdle. It is the most unexposed of the horses at the higher end of the handicap in the County Hurdle. Having been held back and having only one run a month before Chelts it all looks right to me.
Lots of people would steam into GMOOH if they could be sure he'd repeat his form from last spring yet this horse at the weigths could have the beating GMOOH if they both run to their best form anyway. This one looks plotted to me. Naturally could be wrong but at 20s for Saturday and 25s for the County (this afternoon with laddies when I backed). He looks a value bet to me.
Any thoughts?
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Everything you say is right except his Cheltenham form is terrible. Top class horse otherwise and could easily win a decent race off this mark but think either the Ladbroke or Tote Gold Trophy were his best chances this year. Possibly Liverpool.
@ Gruise d. With all respect I think your reading a but too much into things concerning Ronaldo De Mottes.
He hasn't been deliberately laid out all season for the County.At his best he would have gone close in the Tote, his intended race and an ideal opportunity to go for a touch if they thought he was right.
With him it's surely down to whether they can get him back to his best or not and then some before thinking about plots.
Very good horse on his day but he may be a bit better off with GMOOH but he's still 7lbs wrong IMO and I doubt if capable of winning the County.
In short not only do they have to get him back to his best but they also have to improve him by 1/2 a stone just to win a decent race. Hence his current price.
He hasn't been deliberately laid out all season for the County.At his best he would have gone close in the Tote, his intended race and an ideal opportunity to go for a touch if they thought he was right.
With him it's surely down to whether they can get him back to his best or not and then some before thinking about plots.
Very good horse on his day but he may be a bit better off with GMOOH but he's still 7lbs wrong IMO and I doubt if capable of winning the County.
In short not only do they have to get him back to his best but they also have to improve him by 1/2 a stone just to win a decent race. Hence his current price.
I can't see why he wouldn't be able to improve the 7lbs you say he needs to, he's very lightly raced and his form in France was with their best horses.
I think Pipe has said he could run Saturday but then skip Chelts for Aintree.
If he does run on Saturday and win then surely they would have to go to chelts without a penalty and go for the bonus though? I know the horse hasn't shown much at chelts but if he runs and wins on Saturday surely they have to go for it?
Pipe quotes:-
Ronaldo Des Mottes could run in the Imperial Cup on Saturday but he misses Cheltenham.
Arrayan is entered in my father's race and the County Hurdle. He's in the Imperial Cup at Sandown on Saturday, though he's not a definite runner in that yet.
Surely there must be somke and mirrors in one of the above two quotes? Quotes taken from here:-
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12426_6801993,00.html
If he does run on Saturday and win then surely they would have to go to chelts without a penalty and go for the bonus though? I know the horse hasn't shown much at chelts but if he runs and wins on Saturday surely they have to go for it?
Pipe quotes:-
Ronaldo Des Mottes could run in the Imperial Cup on Saturday but he misses Cheltenham.
Arrayan is entered in my father's race and the County Hurdle. He's in the Imperial Cup at Sandown on Saturday, though he's not a definite runner in that yet.
Surely there must be somke and mirrors in one of the above two quotes? Quotes taken from here:-
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12426_6801993,00.html
I agree he has shown nothing at the track to do date. He is only 6 though, still enough time to prove he handles the track.
I still think he is a bet to nothing. If he hoses up can you hoses up in the Imperial Cup he has gotta go for the bionus whilst swerving a penalty. It'd be madness not to wouldn't it? If you back him now nrnb for the V O'Brien and he doesn't show you've got your dough back. However if wins on Saturday and they decide to run you are on the favourite at a big price!
I still think he is a bet to nothing. If he hoses up can you hoses up in the Imperial Cup he has gotta go for the bionus whilst swerving a penalty. It'd be madness not to wouldn't it? If you back him now nrnb for the V O'Brien and he doesn't show you've got your dough back. However if wins on Saturday and they decide to run you are on the favourite at a big price!
I agree he has shown nothing at the track to do date. He is only 6 though, still enough time to prove he handles the track.
I still think he is a bet to nothing. If he hoses up in the Imperial Cup he has gotta go for the bonus whilst swerving a penalty. It'd be madness not to wouldn't it? If you back him now nrnb for the V O'Brien and he doesn't show you've got your dough back. However if wins on Saturday and they decide to run you are on the favourite at a big price!
I still think he is a bet to nothing. If he hoses up in the Imperial Cup he has gotta go for the bonus whilst swerving a penalty. It'd be madness not to wouldn't it? If you back him now nrnb for the V O'Brien and he doesn't show you've got your dough back. However if wins on Saturday and they decide to run you are on the favourite at a big price!
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