Cheltenham Festival
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28 Feb 11
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I've taken a detailed look at the Cheltenham record of his stock with a Festival runners only section too on my blog http://wp.me/1o7dN
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how many Montjeu horses have ever run at Cheltenham ?
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Not sure tbh that Montjeu's IMO take all that well to NH racing in general. Can't think off of my head too many that have reached the level's of Hurricane Fly. He is a bit of a freak regardless if he wins the Champion Hurdle or not so I could not follow stats to rule him out.
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Glad that the conclusion is that it's a ridiculous "stat".
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hawkwinger, montjeu has had 44 runners at cheltenham (21 of them at the festival) none of which have won
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How many have placed and how many are as good as HF ?
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mickthefish, those stats are wrong: there's a full break down on my blog if you want to cut/paste this link http://wp.me/1o7dN
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Only 25 of Montjeu’s stock have run at Cheltenham. Among them they’ve amassed 42 runs there.
15 of the 25 have run at the Festival, contesting 21 races. ok i worded it wrong. |
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Hurricane Fly wont get up the hill..He will FLY up the hill [;)]
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Not having a go mate, it's just that plenty people hear a particular 'stat' and take it as read. Remember when Cap Cee Bee won the Supreme? I heard countless people who put a line through him because 'dismiss seven-year-olds;they have a terrible record".
When I checked the previous ten years only a handful that age had ever run in it |
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no probs m8 was just replying to an earlier question.I personally will not have a bet in the race,far too open for me.good luck and enjoy.
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how many oscars have won a champion hurdle?how many p2p winners have won a champion,does that rule peddlers cross out [;)]
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Nice Blog Joe, agree with the Eider fiasco, the running surface there is a joke and should have been replaced ages ago, racing on a stick reading of 3.4 is madness.
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how many oscars have won a champion hurdle?how many p2p winners have won a champion,does that rule peddlers cross out
l cant find out stats for former p2p runners but offspring of Oscar have ran 121 times at Cheltenham, winning 15 times (12.5% S/R). 29 of those runs where over a 16-17f with 3 winning (10.33% S/R) Not fantastic, but better than Montjeu l think you would agree. |
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He may not have bred a Champion Hurdle winner but he has bred a Champion Chase winner in Big Zeb.
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Kauto star doesn't go left handed another of your wild beliefs about horses you don't like. Glad you are usually wrong steeple and you dislike of hurricane fly is tiresome. As you can see from your list it's a who's who of poor horses, their problems were they weren't very good. Also only three contested grade 1s and they were novice races.
people need to think back to go natives supreme. If fly was fit he'd have won that, no question. Which means your getting up the hill rubbish would be supplanted with something else. Your like to point out his last race where you neglect to say it was his 3rd race in six weeks and he'd cut himself lto. Go spend your energy on something else instead of constantly having a go at hurricane fly. You're a broken record at this stage. Also from the three grade 1 runners, the odds on one of them winning was 9.37 which means statistically insignificant. |
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Steeple, I read last week the sire of Pandorama has never had a winner over 3 miles at the Festival. Is this true ?
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Denman was bred for 2 1/2 miles. Will people stop with this breeding nonsense. Half the genes of the sire go into his offspring. It's as far from exact science as they come. A merge of chromosomes. Judge a horse on his breeding when you buy him, judge his chances of winning based on what he's done at the track.
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CV, in fairness you shouldn't tell people what to do. If you think they are stupid, that's fine, and ultimately they'll end up with egg on their face, but you need to be a bit more tolerant of other peoples opinions,im afraid.
Like I said, if you think they are stupid, then ultimately they will lose anyway. |
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Thing is Steeple, HF has proved his stamina by winning in good style over longer distance than the CHurdle.So no,The Montjeu factor will have nowt to do with his chances in the CHurdle.
Its simply a case of whether hes good enough,and we wont know that till after the race. |
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I like steeple in general, but sick of him singling out hurricane fly. He's been at it for a long time and has something against the horse. So in this case I believe it's selective one sided evidence used to knock the horse. Total bias that I'll attack.
This is betfair at cheltenham time, it's a sess pool. Proper discussion is for purple forum. This place is battle lines. |
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Blimey CVB, a little severe that reprimand mate! I do agree some people have dislikes against certain horses (i've been accused of the same with Hurricane Flay and Kauto Star), and arguing against inherent bias is frustrating, but I think Sintonian is right (as is often the case) - the results will eventually 'out' them (or not!).
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Steeple, will follow the blog, excellent stuff. GL.
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what was the w mullins horse by montjeu who won a national,i think it was the cork national
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our monty
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He's had a long held dislike for the horse which has irritated me. Made worse by the frequency of his attacks on the horse.
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cheers rev,was wrecking my head couldnt think of it
 i wouldnt imagine many montjeus have won many nationals! |
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oh well at least your not ranting about the situation
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no i wouldnt think so ste
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CV have you read the blog piece? He doesn't attack the horse - he agrees with you that the Montjeu stat is irrelevant?
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lol rev,actually not a bad blog to read
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yeah i read it, its good
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Read it, he uses his grade 1 irish champion hurdle win as a reason he won't get up the hill.
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what does your blog compare it to?
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Steeple hasnt had a go at the horse on this thread or anywhere else.
CVB, you are being overly defensive because you are so blinkered in favour of HF. You cant abide anybody questioning a horse you think will win. |
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He has had a go on the champion hurdle thread. I am not saying the horse will win the champion hurdle, but he deserves a bit of respect and the chance to race at cheltenham before people start having a go at him. He has done nothing but impress done day one.
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Hurricane Fly has the best form in the race and he's the best horse in the race, he will prove it in 14 days time.
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Am 100% a HF fan and firmly of the opinion that when he puts his best foot forward going up that hill that the rest will be left trailing in his wake. I also think that steepechasings blog is very informative and would agree with quite a lot of his conclusions
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By: This user is online. CVByrne
Date Joined: 14 Mar 06 Add contact | Send message When: 01 Mar 11 12:47 I like steeple in general, but sick of him singling out hurricane fly. He's been at it for a long time and has something against the horse. So in this case I believe it's selective one sided evidence used to knock the horse. Total bias that I'll attack. This is betfair at cheltenham time, it's a sess pool. Proper discussion is for purple forum. This place is battle lines. I know what you are saying. It does feel like that on here, wondering whether some **** will copy and paste posts from the past once results in. It's as if you almost have to be on you guard, this is a result of the a55holes who go around gloating and behave like a55wipers. Mayweather has just turned up by a stroke of coincidence. |
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Any racing fan will be a fan of HF. He's a terrific horse. Everyone wants to see a new star, and he clearly has the most potential to be a superstar.
But the reservations people have are still well founded and should be respected imo. None of us will be surprised if he wins well, but at the same time, I certainly wouldnt be surprised if the travelling, ground, track dont suit him and he disappoints. I sincerely hope its the former mind you. |