3 times now magic THREE times. and even a rare moment when a professional pundit (hislop) comes out and comments it was that bad. just because she says anything doesnt mean shes right but the fact that she felt strongly about it speaks volumes and i for one support her 100% having seen 3 utterly abysmal rides for the champion jockey.
and i've not a dount in my mind this horse will improve markedly at some stage in his career and then we'll all see but still nothing will be done.
3 times now magic THREE times. and even a rare moment when a professional pundit (hislop) comes out and comments it was that bad. just because she says anything doesnt mean shes right but the fact that she felt strongly about it speaks volumes and i
Do you seriously believe that on any of the 3 occassions that GMOOH would have won or placed in any of those 3 races even if AP would of knocked the daylights out of the horse?As for L Hislop she is not a profesional pundit she is a journalist and television presenter
Do you seriously believe that on any of the 3 occassions that GMOOH would have won or placed in any of those 3 races even if AP would of knocked the daylights out of the horse?As for L Hislop she is not a profesional pundit she is a journalist and te
So firstly this horse is being pulled and will be the biggest certainty ever to look through a bridle in his chosen target at the festival........
No wait a minute now he's a "decoy" and some other horse will land the big coup..............
As for Backspin, yes they have really got him well handicapped off 150.
People on this forum have been telling me you are a clown for ages. I can see what they mean.
Buses . I hope and expect that GMOOH will come back to form at some stage. If and when he does I expect all this will flare up again. When it does just consider the possibility that the horse has a problem at the moment. He's just not finishing his races. TBH this applies to every horse Jonjo has run in the last fortnight.
Eric MorrisSo firstly this horse is being pulled and will be the biggest certainty ever to look through a bridle in his chosen target at the festival........No wait a minute now he's a "decoy" and some other horse will land the big coup..............
he never whips the horse, he doesnt push him like he pushes other horses, he doesnt give his 100%= non trier!
why is this horse running in races if its not right? so they run it the 1st time this season...its a major drifter, and doesnt place. so trainer thinks, thats not his running, we'll have to get him checked out, they find nothing.
he runs the 2nd time, again a drifter, again ap is particularly easy on him yet again just like his last ride on him, again trainer/jockey, the horse was keen but not so keen that it was 2 furlongs behind the winner, again not whipped, i believe the race results says 'nudged along, soon weakened', neve whipped, never vigorously ridden, just allowed to drop back thru the field on the bridle.
yesterday, again bad drifter, again ap v easy on him, just nursed along an allowed to travel back thru the field in his own time, never one did he go for the horse, the horse hasnt been whipped since the supreme novice.
mccoy isnt trying on this horse.
Chased leaders, challenging when hit 3 out, well there next[;)], weakened soon after
Took keen hold, held up in 9th, effort 3 out and in touch, nudged along and no headway 2 out, faded
and again look at the distance he finished behind menorah and has put in a bad run b4 and after that race now, why isnt he being reassessed by the handicapper, surely hes atleast 10-15lbs worse than last yr? why isnt he doing this?
he never whips the horse, he doesnt push him like he pushes other horses, he doesnt give his 100%= non trier!why is this horse running in races if its not right? so they run it the 1st time this season...its a major drifter, and doesnt place. so trai
If you can name me a top class horse that has had his mark dropped "10-15 lb" on the back of 2 below par runs I'll give you a coconut.
It just doesn't work like that.
This is getting a bit boring one more shot.If you can name me a top class horse that has had his mark dropped "10-15 lb" on the back of 2 below par runs I'll give you a coconut.It just doesn't work like that.
In the KG he ran off 190 just 3lb below his all time high. We are talking official ratings here.According to the Sporting Life Kauto is still rated 190. Even if that is incorrect he will have been dropped further after 3 runs not 2.
No coconut,Zilzal.In the KG he ran off 190 just 3lb below his all time high.We are talking official ratings here.According to the Sporting Life Kauto is still rated 190. Even if that is incorrect he will have been dropped further after 3 runs not 2.
I fully expect a News of the World expose on Jackdaws Castle in the not too distant future, has the potential to make Bollinger Ridge look like small change
I fully expect a News of the World expose on Jackdaws Castle in the not too distant future, has the potential to make Bollinger Ridge look like small change
Dont know if its right thoughas they still have him on 190 in the Gold Cup entries!!!
Although i think the handicappers seem to have gone mad in the last few years with some ratings
I did hear something along the lines of Timeform having him even lower, something in the late 160s
Dont know if its right thoughas they still have him on 190 in the Gold Cup entries!!!Although i think the handicappers seem to have gone mad in the last few years with some ratingsI did hear something along the lines of Timeform having him even lower
After running poorly at Kempton in a race which has always brought the best from him, beating 160 rated Sizing Europe and China Rock (158) by about 3 lengths in Ireland and last years Gold Cup run you would have to say he deserved a decent drop in the weights. This was the handicappers first chance to adjust him since the GC and maybe on what the horse has done since his last KG win the drop was fair.
I intend to take nothing from Kauto and I would love to see him win or at least run with credit and finish the GC ths year.
Why evra? What would you rate him?After running poorly at Kempton in a race which has always brought the best from him, beating 160 rated Sizing Europe and China Rock (158) by about 3 lengths in Ireland and last years Gold Cup run you would have to s
Get me out of here i believe is a very good horse, last year he was outstanding.This year it has not gone according to plan also trainer out of form. My theory since is that trainer/owner are after good handicap mark mark for Cheltenham.If i had back the horse at Newbury i would not be happy. I will definitely keeping him on my side especially if ground half decent. Owner wouldn't have had him in champion hurdle anyway with Binocular there so county hurdle probable race for him . Very Interesting and betting exchanges to be watched.
Get me out of here i believe is a very good horse, last year he was outstanding.This year it has not gone according to plan also trainer out of form.My theory since is that trainer/owner are after good handicap mark mark for Cheltenham.If i had back
For a horse that has regressed, out of form, has problems it is interesting tha connections still feel like entering him in Champion hurdle, Coral Cup and County. As previously stated cant see anything but the County where (given current entries) would run of 10st 10lb.
For a horse that has regressed, out of form, has problems it is interesting tha connections still feel like entering him in Champion hurdle, Coral Cup and County. As previously stated cant see anything but the County where (given current entries) wo
I agree they have to go somewhere, but if as has been suggested the horse has problems it should/would not be running. Just for the record, I will not be backing it but I wouldnt be laying either.
I agree they have to go somewhere, but if as has been suggested the horse has problems it should/would not be running. Just for the record, I will not be backing it but I wouldnt be laying either.
Any news on this fella? 14/1 NRNB with 365 for both the County and the Coral Cup. Cant see how he'd get the trip in the Coral Cup myself but had a decent go on him for the County.
Will surely be near enough fav if he goes for it.
Any news on this fella? 14/1 NRNB with 365 for both the County and the Coral Cup. Cant see how he'd get the trip in the Coral Cup myself but had a decent go on him for the County.Will surely be near enough fav if he goes for it.
Do you think Goretski? Cant see it myself. And seeing how they chose Supreme over Neptune last year and have kept him at 2 miles, I would be surprised. Although seems to make sense to back him for both if I fancy him, now its NRNB.
I dont think it a huge leap of faith. Poor seasonal bow, but happy to let him off that. Good run in the Greatwood imo off virtually top weight and was going well until clattering 3 out, then nursed in. And given a very sensitive ride last time.
Think he could get a very nice mark and has proved he can go well on the track and at the meeting
Do you think Goretski? Cant see it myself. And seeing how they chose Supreme over Neptune last year and have kept him at 2 miles, I would be surprised. Although seems to make sense to back him for both if I fancy him, now its NRNB.I dont think it a h
Maybe so ff... but I think it would be a big risk to put him up 5f for the first time at Cheltenham when he has never run over that distance before and this week has presumably been the aim all season. Dont you? Either try him once before or save the step up for next season imo.
Maybe so ff... but I think it would be a big risk to put him up 5f for the first time at Cheltenham when he has never run over that distance before and this week has presumably been the aim all season. Dont you? Either try him once before or save the
If you have been backing this horse like i have you have to carry on until they take the hand brake off and you get your money back with a lot of interest.
If you have been backing this horse like i have you have to carry on until they take the hand brake off and you get your money back with a lot of interest.
We now have the excuse sorted out ! Wind op - Aye Right !!
We might not run we will decide the night before = We want our dosh on first !!
We know !!! It's glaring !! Everyone knows your plan.
We now have the excuse sorted out ! Wind op - Aye Right !! We might not run we will decide the night before = We want our dosh on first !!We know !!! It's glaring !! Everyone knows your plan.
Will he still have something wrong with him after his recent op?
Will he be Pegasus II re-incarnated?
Will AP touch him with the whip today and 'do the washing' on him?
Will the stewards be facing the wall once more?
Will there be more Wills on any other thread on this forum?
Is this the day?Will there be money in the ring before the race?Will he still have something wrong with him after his recent op?Will he be Pegasus II re-incarnated?Will AP touch him with the whip today and 'do the washing' on him?Will the stewards be
Q4. Not a horse you have to bully. If he doesn't do it himself AP won't punish him
Q5. Not worth respoding to
Q6. Prince William did threaten to join but Dad said no way when he found out you were a member
Q1. No!Q2. Not even Jonjo could tell you thatQ3. Yes he's called Grandouet ;0)Q4. Not a horse you have to bully. If he doesn't do it himself AP won't punish himQ5. Not worth respoding toQ6. Prince William did threaten to join but Dad said no way when
Fair play to Eric . You only needed a pair of eyes to see what was happening. However many with a pair seemed to get confused with the message the eyes where sending to the brain .Probably the latter part being the problem.
Fair play to Eric .You only needed a pair of eyes to see what was happening.However many with a pair seemed to get confused with the message the eyes where sending to the brain .Probably the latter part being the problem.
I didnt back him though I was tempted this morning didnt think they would make it so obvious.
Message to the stewards at Ascot, Cheltenham and Newbury ... you are stupid.
I didnt back him though I was tempted this morning didnt think they would make it so obvious. Message to the stewards at Ascot, Cheltenham and Newbury ... you are stupid.
Guys you are all missing the obvious - the proceedure carried out is what is know in vets terms as a hand-breakectomy and it seems to have worked the oracle on this boy who was mighty unlucky in defeat. This is a common proceedure and is equally simply reversed when required.
The horse was plotted up for one of the biggest Hcaps of the year perfectly (well nearly perfectly)- all part of the game so get over it and enjoy.
Guys you are all missing the obvious - the proceedure carried out is what is know in vets terms as a hand-breakectomy and it seems to have worked the oracle on this boy who was mighty unlucky in defeat. This is a common proceedure and is equally sim
Plotted up perfectly only in the eyes of plankton the most basic form of life on earth .... you would have to go back to amoebic acids to not spot this one the th1ck tw@ts.
Plotted up perfectly only in the eyes of plankton the most basic form of life on earth .... you would have to go back to amoebic acids to not spot this one the th1ck tw@ts.
It isnt that easy anymore there are intelligent people around who will rip the p1ss out of you when you get it wrong. Mainly downside now imo, must do better next time because this one was sh1t and a lot of punters lost money at Newbury and before at least get it right you useless fkwits.
It isnt that easy anymore there are intelligent people around who will rip the p1ss out of you when you get it wrong. Mainly downside now imo, must do better next time because this one was sh1t and a lot of punters lost money at Newbury and before at
So manipulation of the handicapping system is only acceptable where it's not obvious to the naked eye. He did get away with it despite making it pretty obvious but as most folk on here have been knowledgable to notice for months then why the big surprise at the big improvement today after the money coming for it. You either backed it today or you chose not too. I backed it and the only disappointment for me was the fact it got pipped on the line. Id much rather horses were plotted in this manner that some of the more underhand ways that no doubt go on week in week out.
So manipulation of the handicapping system is only acceptable where it's not obvious to the naked eye. He did get away with it despite making it pretty obvious but as most folk on here have been knowledgable to notice for months then why the big sur
I understand horses have to be handicapped for targets during the season, this one gets my goat as the horse could had been running in the champion hurdle (probably well beaten) and it had a jockey on board who rarely goes easy on a horse.
Thats what makes it stand out more than others.
I backed gmooh today like i have since its 2nd run but i couldnt help but smile when the result came in.
I understand horses have to be handicapped for targets during the season, this one gets my goat as the horse could had been running in the champion hurdle (probably well beaten) and it had a jockey on board who rarely goes easy on a horse.Thats what
footnote: Mr Westsound hereby declares himself fairly clever on this occasion spotting simplistic (to a plankton, no offence) plot but in future withholds the right to chastise said plots when not spotted by (again plankton if not more advanced 18th century horse doesnt run as well as it can tiresome shoyte) him.
footnote: Mr Westsound hereby declares himself fairly clever on this occasion spotting simplistic (to a plankton, no offence) plot but in future withholds the right to chastise said plots when not spotted by (again plankton if not more advanced 18th
Was it any worse than the improvement in Buena Vista (there might be a thread on that ride too somewhere but I'm too tired to look) ?
Why run the horse in the CH when as you say it would most probably have been well beaten - no where near that standard imo.
The biggest interest now is where GHOOH goes from here. AP reported after the race that he feels there is still an issue with his breathing and a further operation may be required again in the summer.
Was it any worse than the improvement in Buena Vista (there might be a thread on that ride too somewhere but I'm too tired to look) ?Why run the horse in the CH when as you say it would most probably have been well beaten - no where near that standar
No different to BV, their was a stewards into his running last season and this season. But in defence of BV and connections they put up lots of jocks and rode him out the back and the jockeys pretended to get serious on BV, even thou it was flapping.
No different to BV, their was a stewards into his running last season and this season. But in defence of BV and connections they put up lots of jocks and rode him out the back and the jockeys pretended to get serious on BV, even thou it was flapping.
If you havent learned to form your own opinion on this by now without 'listening to connections after failed gamble today' you need to take up crown green bowling as a hobby.
If you havent learned to form your own opinion on this by now without 'listening to connections after failed gamble today' you need to take up crown green bowling as a hobby.
Was it any worse than the improvement in Buena Vista (there might be a thread on that ride too somewhere but I'm too tired to look) ?
Not to mention Albertas Run
Was it any worse than the improvement in Buena Vista (there might be a thread on that ride too somewhere but I'm too tired to look) ?Not to mention Albertas Run
as we always knew, possibly the worst kept secret in jumps racing, ap was a tad more vigorous today wouldnt u say
delighted ruby nutted him and an absolute disgrace theyre allowed get away with it!
as we always knew, possibly the worst kept secret in jumps racing, ap was a tad more vigorous today wouldnt u say delighted ruby nutted him and an absolute disgrace theyre allowed get away with it!
Ruby had the benefit of the running rail and unusually, AP let him up on his inside. I backed GMOOH in the morning EW at 14's, so no damage done but undoubtedly the best finish of the day.
Ruby had the benefit of the running rail and unusually, AP let him up on his inside. I backed GMOOH in the morning EW at 14's, so no damage done but undoubtedly the best finish of the day.
Interesting AP still thinks hoss has a problem with its breathing. He thought something was not quite right in previous runs this season and therefore on more than 1 occassion chose not to ride out with hands & heels (thinking of the welfare of the horse of course). So he still thinks its got a problem yet it gets the full AP treatment today. How did AP know that on previous occassions giving it a nudge would have possible caused harm yet yesterday a good thrashing wasnt going to be an issue.
Interesting AP still thinks hoss has a problem with its breathing.He thought something was not quite right in previous runs this season and therefore on more than 1 occassion chose not to ride out with hands & heels (thinking of the welfare of the ho
He had an operation less than a fortnight ago and Jonjo dis say he had shown signs it had worked, I didn't think he could possibly recover from that, no matter how simple it is, in time so I never backed him.
Too many confusing looking after a horse who's not right with stopping one and you simply don't stop horses in the type of races he has been running in.
You may well give him a quite run but not 3 and if JP had wanted to land a touch and the horse wasn't wrong in himself why not the Tote where he has won before.
Jonjo and Jp are way too clever to have tried to land a huge gamble on this horse after he's been in the limelight all season.
He was wrong in himself and that's all about it.
Just asked a question on another thread about thsis so just i case anyone missed it.
Q> Who thinks the operation Get me Out Of Here had 10 days ago was part of a plot?
He had an operation less than a fortnight ago and Jonjo dis say he had shown signs it had worked, I didn't think he could possibly recover from that, no matter how simple it is, in time so I never backed him. Too many confusing looking after a horse
Yeast, Albertas Run is totally dependent on good ground, that explains his running, no chance on soft or good to soft against top class horses and Buena Vista has a record at Cheltenham that shows the course brings out the best in him although I'll admit he may well have been tenderly ridden away from chelt, but nothing compares to GMOOH.
Yeast, Albertas Run is totally dependent on good ground, that explains his running, no chance on soft or good to soft against top class horses and Buena Vista has a record at Cheltenham that shows the course brings out the best in him although I'll a
Wonder if this horse will have his breathing problems sorted by Aintree ... oh and back problem though think that is cured now. I didnt back him I wouldnt be bothered trying to guess when he is on or off there are plenty more straight opportunities where you have a better opportunity.
Wonder if this horse will have his breathing problems sorted by Aintree ... oh and back problem though think that is cured now. I didnt back him I wouldnt be bothered trying to guess when he is on or off there are plenty more straight opportunities w
Update on GMOOH. Had op. Won't be running until end of the year.http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/O-8217-Neill-waiting-star/story-12954207-detail/story.html
eric_morris Joined: 27 Jun 10 Replies: 3245 18 Mar 11 15:55 I didnt back him though I was tempted this morning didnt think they would make it so obvious.
Message to the stewards at Ascot, Cheltenham and Newbury ... you are stupid.
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Get Me Out Of Here - max bet Cheltenhameric_morris Joined: 27 Jun 10Replies: 3245 18 Mar 11 15:55 I didnt back him though I was tempted this morning didnt think they would make it so obvious.Message to the stewards at Ascot, Cheltenham and Newbury .
Jonjo has told the Gloucestershire Echo/thisisglos that GMOOH could go chasing this season. Quotes:
"He looks fantastic and he’s filled out really well,” said O’Neill.
"He’s had a few problems but hopefully we’ve put all those right.
“If he jumps well he could be anything – he could be an Arkle horse.
“I’d like to give him another go over fences because we thought he was going to be a good chaser and he’s just not good enough for Champion Hurdle class – we know that – and if he jumps well he could be a fairly useful chaser.
Jonjo has told the Gloucestershire Echo/thisisglos that GMOOH could go chasing this season. Quotes:"He looks fantastic and he’s filled out really well,” said O’Neill."He’s had a few problems but hopefully we’ve put all those right.“If he