How do you approach the placepot at Cheltenham

Badly...never won it in nearly 20 years. A mate does one £20 line everytime and has won 3 times.

The way I would go about it is to use stats. Look for the type of horse that win/place in the type of races. You are also likely going to have to find a few big priced ones and get a few short priced ones thrown out.

I normally try to select 1 banker ( 2 at a push ), 3 in the graded races and 4 or 5 in the handicaps, also try to avoid putting the short price favourites in unless the chance is plainly obvious like big bucks for instance. 6 of us contribute into the perm and we pay approx £25 each per day. We have had some success over the years, biggest dividend was 2500 a few years ago.

cant help you here as its like a impossible task to solve ,, but a few years back me and a mate done a little perm , was on the tuesday i think it was the year sleeping night won at the meeting,, we done 2 in the last had 2 rags running for us 33/1 50/1 , 1 of them made all the running and hacked up think it was the 50/1 shot , any1 know the name

creon won the pertemps @ 50/1 when it was run as the last race on the tuesday ?

As suggested the stats are the key to unlocking the puzzle.The handicaps hold very strong trends and quite often horses at the head of the markets simply do not fit into them yet.Focus on this theory is my advise.The great thing about both the jackpot and placepot at Cheltenham is that the pool is usually swelled by lots of singular and small perm bets

sheesh it bwas 2005 , dabiroun it was backed it in to 20/1 ,, the year missed that was all the rage for the bumper

MC - the bit about the stats is the handicaps is very much spot on, I base my bets in these races around the stats and in the last few years has led me to back quite a few big price winners like chief dan george, great endeavour, 90th minute, something wells, copper bleu to name just a few, these were all selected using the trends

Echo the thoughts about the stats for the handicaps - the beauty of using them is they give you a framework to address the big field contests - trying to pull together all the form lines can be at nightmare, takes ages and can end with you being more confused than when you started (for me anyway!)

Obviously you need to look at going preferences too.

Seaserpent-Do you tend to just stick to the placepot or have u had a bash at the jackpot also?

if you think a horse can not be out of a place,be wary,a few of us always cut the stake of our perms and add another horse, recent example at last cheltenham meeting in january, punchestowns, 1 mate suggested it could not be out of a place,we begged to differ and reduced our lines from £5 to £2.50 and added tidal bay, we collected a 4 figure profit.

SILVER JARO won handicap at 50s few years back

a fiver straight line my phone number then keep yer fingers crossed[;)]

At least 2 per line sometimes up 8 per line.

Depends on the scenario, sometimes the cards with certs are the most profitable.

You have to think the fav can fall over, it is sometimes worth avoiding the fav to chase the pot. ie the fav places the pot is worthless.

5p a line, 3rd to 5th in the betting each race, sit back an hope!

Only problem with that Sonko is that by leaving selections out due to them being fav you risk not getting the bet up at all usually at least one favorite is placed and the pots still tend to pay big dividends

I had it up once (around 8/9 years ago) and it paid £48 !
Personally I have 1 selection in non handicaps and 2 in the others, usually means 8 or 16 bets, I usually play for a fiver a line, but you'd be mad to take any advice from me given my lifetime placepot P/L is around £3k red !

Sorry magic, i mean avoid the poor priced favs with good opposition etc....


ps i dont know where their are, but the next day i see clearly.


But sometimes short favs at big meetings are shoite value in the pp

I got it up one year out of i dont know how many years! A free £2 voucher in the paper, paid £418. Gave it all back chasing them ever since

On the friday of last year it was one of the biggest pay outs ever 46,000-1 or something. Had every race apart from the Albert Bartlett where my first pick Restless Harry brought down my second pick Fionnegas at the last! Would have had it to 20p if either didn't go down.

I also approach the handicaps from a stats point. Also verge towards more lines at a smaller stake, rather than having more than one banker.

Last year me and my mate text each other our placepot selections for a friendly £20 match bet and on the first three days I played my selections and lost every day in the 4th of 5th race. On the last day I knocked it on the head and decided to just text my mate and not play the selections. Nobody will believe me but I would have picked up the pot which paid something like £44k from memory. I had a good day anyway but still felt sick at the end, 2nd worst I've felt because of gambling.

Magic Carpet - No we just do the placepot, good job as well as we have never had all 6 selctions placed first !!, nearest was in 2000 where we had Sausalito Bay, Tiutchev, Istabraq, Star Traveller, Honey Mount and in the last leg Font Romeu finished 3rd to Rubahunnish so we collected the placepot, but that is the nearest to going through the card and yes I did back each horse individually !!

I always find the handicaps to be the hardest to hit. There are more and more horses getting plotted up for them, and it's just so hard to work out who is up to what.

Only ever hit the PP once over God knows how many years, but I'll be having another go at it each day

Think GC day could be a big one, everyone is going to be going the KS/Denman route, if neither of them get placed it will pay a fortune.

I always find the handicaps to be the hardest to hit. There are more and more horses getting plotted up for them, and it's just so hard to work out who is up to what.

Only ever hit the PP once over God knows how many years, but I'll be having another go at it each day

Think GC day could be a big one, everyone is going to be going the KS/Denman route, if neither of them get placed it will pay a fortune.

cheltenham is different to all other meetings, favourites get beat, long shots regularly place. Course form is a big boost.

I can't believe there is any value in this bet at Cheltenham, I would suggest you would have a better chance at somewhere like Aintree in terms of a big jumps meeting when the relative merits of each horse are a little clearer. You could lay out £50 on 20p lines and still get nothing placed all day.

Its each to their own but the problem with Aintree as oppossed to Cheltenham is that you get far more unreliable results due to the fact that many horses go on to Aintree from Cheltenham where they have in a lot of cases, been trained for a specific target and quite often left their form behind come Aintree.You are quite right in saying that you could lay out a decent amount and fail but as i said earlier in this thread the pool at the festival is far larger than at any other meeting ,i take the bet very seriously and have had lots of success with it in recent years

Lots of 'once a year' punters money in the pot too.

I love the bet, particularly at big meetings like this...royal ascot...king george day when there's up to £200k in the pot each day. While dependent on the fields/race conditions (with a bank of £80-£90 each day) I normally aim for 1 banker at least (ie 1 selection) and at least 2 in the other races...but am not afraid of 3 in tricky handicaps. If 64 lines...@ £1.25 = £80...may need to reduce the stake if 3 in a race taken.

I look to assess the races where the favs still have some question marks and look to take them on.It's als important to check conditions of the races...as there are a number of non-handicaps with 20+ runners - therefore only 3 places. Always worth remembering there are no eay races at cheltenham and therefore to spend time on each race studying the form....have often worked out the tricky handicaps and fallen a cropper on a supposed good thing. Have landed a good ppot in 3 of the last 4 years which has covered betting for the whole meeting and yielded an overall profit.

Fistfulofdollars

What kind of payouts have you had in recent Cheltenham festival meetings?

Last year I had 64 x £1.25 lines (4 lines came good -ie a fiver) on the first day which paid £98.40 to £1....ie nearly £500 (would have been more if dunguib had stayed out of the 3 - I had menorah in the first. Garde champetre and go native improved the dividend by being out the 3).The previous year I had the 4th day up - Tricky trickster made the bet - had a £2.50 line and it paid c£740 ...over £1800. I always like to take on a hot/obvious fav if there are question marks as there's often alternatives that can be better value in terms of the pot.

I have won the placepot elsewhere lots of times but usually miss at the festival (often by 1 race!)
My dad won 3 grand a few yrs back.
My approach is definately to scatter gun the hcaps and reduce the stake. When the pools are so big I would rather have lots of horses at 25p than just a few at £1.

I absolutely love this bet and agree with the poster who said it gets harder as the week progresses just because of the running order of the races. Tuesday usually offers a cracking chance at hitting the target.

As for strategy, I have a little trick to add that can massively reduce the amount you need to pay out in your perm and mean you only need to get a horse placed in the first five races.

1: Simply ensure you put the likely favourite as your only selection in Leg 6.
2: If you are still alive and kicking after 5 legs, go to T**epool live information and see how much cash is still moving forward to Leg 6.
3: Work out the number of winning units if the three (or four in 16+ hcps) most popular horses are placed.
4: Divide the pool total by these winning units to calculate the smallest possible dividend.
5: Jump on Betfair's place market and LAY your Leg 6 selection to lose half what you would win from the placepot if it is placed.

Sounds a bit complicated I know, but basically a simple principle and it can save you a packet.
Assuming your perm would look like this:

2x2x3x1x5x3 =180 bets @50p per line = outlay of 90 pounds.

By putting only the fav in the last leg, it becomes: 2x2x3x1x5x1 = 60 bets @ 50p per line = outlay of 30 pounds.

So, I suppose you are effectively halving your dividend if successful, guaranteeing some cash if leg 6 fav lets you down, and reducing your initial outlay by three times (in this example). There are of course lots of little things you can do with this to tailor it more to your style of punting (or the degree to which you place lay the leg 6 runner) but this might well help some people even in its most basic form. It's won me a few quid in the last 18 months or so and hopefully it will do so again next month!

Did a 5er str8 line a few yrs back. had every winner in first 5 races, VPU, Dun Doire, Brave inca, My way de solzen???, cant remember other one. Needed Ouste in last leg. Pulled up. Paid 1.5k!! :(

On Thursday and Friday use a pin

How do you approach the placepot at Cheltenham?

On all fours, cowering in a corner, crying like the baby Jesus

just try and get through the leg in the hcaps dont be clever, use your perms here - you can cut down and take a real stance in the championship races. Dont be put off by having 200,300 or 400 lines (even more).

I've had one of the days up last two years (won 400 in 09, and 750 last year) - i do pots all year (rarely win!) and the festival pots can be abs bizarre. Last year on the thursday (think the pot was well over 500k) going into the 5th leg there was about 5k left - half of it, in a 20+ runner hcap was on a pipe 12/1 shot (about a 20s shot on here) - work that one out! When betfair paid out i remember withdrawing staright away thinking the tote running totals mustve been wrong! it wasnt :)

Anyone know what bookies min stakes are on pots - its 10p on here and i set a 30 limit for pots so can only have upto 300 bets if its a tough card. Any online ones that do 5p perms? or even in increments of 5p so you could have a 25p perms.

cheers in advance

btws think the thursday paid 2500ish and i got her up to 30p (went out next day and adopted another retired greyhound - halcyon days!)

royboy
laddies do 5p. remember years back hills did penny lines ,had 1800 penny lines gold cup day, had 7 in  the triumph, out 1st leg. had a few gud uns up over the years tho.

sorry m8 never done the pp online

brilliant - cheers

I usually restrict myself to about £10. It is a good way to lose money. I almost hope to go out on the first race as it then means you don't get your hopes up in the 5th and 6th. I was in a syndicate once and we all put in one per race. I put Al Mutahm for the Triumph and after some debate, it was left out. It finished third and of course we had the other 5 legs up. Mugs game but we all keep trying.

someone once said that those who do the placepot are those who are partial to a slow painful death!!!

one thing is for sure .....after the triumph has been run, there will be a forum jam up wondering if it is first 3 or first 4

And the four miler

ive got the fest guide 2011 , but can we use the stats n trends for place purposes ? all the stats are for winning aint they

davecrazy, stats can be used for placed runners too. l have done threads so far for the first 3 handicaps of the meeting and if you applied the stats in those races then you would of found placed horses last year too. First 3 home in william hill and the unkucky bensalem, the winner and 2nd, at 50/1, in the old jewson hcp and james de vassey was a strong stats horse last year for the coral cup, finished 3rd l think. l find l can get my horses placed in the handicaps and fall down on the novice/championship races where l generally like to oppose a hot pot.

TTT the thread poor favour