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Cheltenham Festival
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not too long now for the festival and the gold cup brings together the old established guard and the new kids on the block it promises to be a great race ,reigning champ imperial commander defends his crown and made a good start to his season in the betfair chase beating the enigmatic tidal bay comfortably at haydock a good performance he goes exeptionaly well fresh and loves cheltenham and will be hard to beat ,but he is a 10 yo and may just be vulnerable to an improver at 7/2 he is a worthy fav,then we have denman a good 3rd in the hennesey to diamond harry under a big weight ,2nd btn 7l in gold cup last year behind imperial commander he has also been kept fresh for the gold cup but he is 11yo and has been in a lot of battles 8/1 is a fair e.w price but he is surely not going to improve imo,then we have kauto star a great former champion but also an 11yo and his best days are probably behind him but still a worthy opponent ,long run the king george winner whose jumping was much improved looks a huge danger to all people were saying he is a kempton horse but there wasnt a lot wrong with his cheltenham run in the r.s.a 3rd to weapons amnesty and burton port where he made mistakes and did well to finish as close as he did a major player and the 7/1 looks good value to me after all he is only a 6 yo with room for loads of improvement . diamond harry is another young improver who impressed with his jumping and travelling in the hennesey he seems to have improved for being ridden prominently and if he can handle the course 10/1 is also a decent price ,of the others pandorama has met with a setback and is probably better on soft/heavy ground and i sa doubtfull runner ,pride of dulcote could improve for his win over punchestowns and the 16s looks about right ,midnight chase could also run a big race but will find this much tougher than the handicaps he has been winning ,time for rupert looks to be r.s.a bound and punchestowns looks to have been overhyped and looks like another barbers shop to me ,has promised more than he has delivered ,weird al is a big price 50s general he could run well and is a bit of a forgotten horse. at the prices and on potential long run appeals to me at at 7s with hills, next best diamond harry at 10s ,and weird al e.w at 50s ,this is my opinion on the race whats yours ,good luck to all and have a great festival
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some paragraphs, headings, underlinings and perhaps some bullet points would have made this a more compelling read ;)
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Bullet points pls
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and preview, not review, unless u know the winner? ;)
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yes sorry lads dont think i can change it now, should have got me head down in school instead of f******g about ,paying for it now
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Here you are mate
Foyles Cheltenham Gold Cup Preview (EDIT VERSION) Not too long now for the festival and the gold cup brings together the old established guard and the new kids on the block it promises to be a great race ,reigning champ imperial commander defends his crown and made a good start to his season in the betfair chase beating the enigmatic tidal bay comfortably at haydock a good performance he goes exeptionaly well fresh and loves cheltenham and will be hard to beat ,but he is a 10 yo and may just be vulnerable to an improver at 7/2 he is a worthy fav, then we have denman a good 3rd in the hennesey to diamond harry under a big weight ,2nd btn 7l in gold cup last year behind imperial commander he has also been kept fresh for the gold cup but he is 11yo and has been in a lot of battles 8/1 is a fair e.w price but he is surely not going to improve imo, then we have kauto star a great former champion but also an 11yo and his best days are probably behind him but still a worthy opponent , long run the king george winner whose jumping was much improved looks a huge danger to all people were saying he is a kempton horse but there wasnt a lot wrong with his cheltenham run in the r.s.a 3rd to weapons amnesty and burton port where he made mistakes and did well to finish as close as he did a major player and the 7/1 looks good value to me after all he is only a 6 yo with room for loads of improvement . diamond harry is another young improver who impressed with his jumping and travelling in the hennesey he seems to have improved for being ridden prominently and if he can handle the course 10/1 is also a decent price , of the others pandorama has met with a setback and is probably better on soft/heavy ground and i sa doubtfull runner ,pride of dulcote could improve for his win over punchestowns and the 16s looks about right ,midnight chase could also run a big race but will find this much tougher than the handicaps he has been winning ,time for rupert looks to be r.s.a bound and punchestowns looks to have been overhyped and looks like another barbers shop to me ,has promised more than he has delivered ,weird al is a big price 50s general he could run well and is a bit of a forgotten horse. at the prices and on potential long run appeals to me at at 7s with hills, next best diamond harry at 10s ,and weird al e.w at 50s ,this is my opinion on the race whats yours ,good luck to all and have a great festival |
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nice write up foyles.
Imperial Commander for me, took some 4/1, boring, but I think he's the winner. Weird Al/Pandorama would be dangers for me, but both have good chances of missing the race. |
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DIAMOND HARRY [;)]
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Last years 1st and 2nd again,reversed placings.
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Can I get peoples opinions on how far they think Kauto would have been behind Long Run had he not hit the 2nd last at Kempton, he was 3 lengths down at the time and battling on.
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5/6 imo. looked beate 2 miles out
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Looked beat 2m6f out like all the other times he's beat.
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A more pertinent question might be "Can anyone see Kauto not making a total horlicks of a couple of fences in the Gold Cup"??
Think his best chance would be good ground and a level pace, imo soft ground and a Sudden injection will find his jumping out again |
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couldnt have him for the gc, i think it takes a hell of a lot out of a horse to win it and not sure hed b able anymore
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Of course he can put in a faultless round of jumping, he's done it many times.
Anyway, just trying to get a few opinions on the King George really. zilzal how many lengths do you think Kauto would have been beat had he jumped the 2nd last? I'm about the same as reve on this about 6l |
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About 3-4lengths imo, Dont get me wrong, on good or faster ground i'll be backing him and having a decent rfc with IC, he's one of the 1st id be crossing off the card on soft ground though.
Oh for a crystal ball for the friday walk around the course As long as its not g-s i think the race is easy  |
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Point is with Kauto it's down to the belief of is he regressing or not. If he's not 9/1 is huge, if he is regressing you can't think he'll be winning a gold Cup 5 years after he won his first.
My gut feeling is he'll run a big race, Paul will have him spot on, Ruby back aboard, should be his ground. But I think he'll find one younger horse too good, or Imperial Commander, who I think is too short to back despite being a worthy fav. I'm on Pandorama at some good prices and think he'll run a big race, the trip will be right up his street. Who knows really, it's at this junction between new generation and old guard, I'll probably not have another bet on the race. Pandorama and Kauto my only two on so far. |
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harry for me
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Got to have AT LEAST the softer side of god imo though Reve, he would be my bet on soft ground
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Good, lol
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You see, I wouldn't rule Harry out either, but there's a limit to how many horses you can back in a race. So with so many in with a shout this year I think I'll leave any more betting alone and just enjoy it.
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Its hard to have a bet now imo as the race is so ground dependent
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I wouldn't have the race as ground dependent at all, most go on any ground and ground will be around good to soft like it always is.
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cant see pride of dulcote coming in the first 4 or 5 tbh
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I wouldn't have the race as ground dependent at all, most go on any ground and ground will be around good to soft like it always is.
C'mon CV, i aint having a go but is it the good to soft of the champion Hurdle last year or the Good To soft that Captain Cee Bee won the Supreme on.... |
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I'd say the ground has been good to soft twice in the last 9 years. The rest of the time it's been good or faster.
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I mean the horses who are good enough to win the gold cup aren't going to be bothered by any of the ground we got in the past 4 years on Gold Cup day.
Basically unless it's soft or good to firm I have no worries about the ground. With the exception of maybe one or two who need it at least good to soft like Pandorama. For example, Kauto, Denman and Imperial Commander will go on anything from soft to good without any real worry from me, a slight edge for one or the other but nothing major. |
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Basically if it was soft in 07 Kauto would still win
If it was Good in 08 Denman Would Still have won If it was soft in 09 Kauto would still have won If it was soft last year (which I think it was judging from the Albert Bartlett) or good Commander would still have won. Basically, I'm not one who will be swayed much by the ground unless it's significant like anything with firm or heavy in the going. |
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The one time Claisse gave the opening day as soft in 07 the Supreme was nearly 10 seconds faster than Captain Cee Bees the year later
imo it does matter this year |
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It was as quick as it has been since 06 on the opening day last year.
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Festival going reports have been a standing joke for years.......which is surprising because at the other Cheltenham meetings they tend to be fairly accurate .
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Sometimes Flying, however last weeks going report had a reading on the going stick(circa turftrax) reading than Binoculars Champion Hurdle victory, so any unaware new student of form would have Grand Cru handling faster ground than last march
However, it appears the reading was not updated from tues -sat |
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Higher stick reading that is
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Imperial surely the winner -:) maybe Diamond 2nd.
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d1[;)]
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thanks for re-editing my thread mr mischief, good man,still got this feeling long run could have about 8-10 lb improvement in him come the gold cup ,think the trip will be no problem as loads of speedier types saw it out i.e kauto ,kicking king ,war of attrition ect all ran over 2 m earlier in thier careers ,festival not far away now had plenty of ante post bets and the adrenelin starting to build ..........bring it on the greatest show on turf !
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You'd have to worry about the track for Long Run given how he ran well at Kempton last season before falling short at Cheltenham.
Then you have to factor in Kauto would have been say 6 lengths back in the King George had he not hit the 2nd last, that was while he had an infection and never travelled from the start. So he could easily reverse that form. Then there's plenty of reason to think Kauto will be beaten even if he reverse form with Long Run. Price too short to touch. Especially given his two let downs at the track the two times he ran there. |
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if there was a match bet between long run and kauto i think id back kauto
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respect your opinions reve & c.v byrne, i know its a big if ,but if long run had jumped well in those 2 cheltenham races he would surely have gone close to winning both ,his jumping seems to have improved and hes only a 6 yo so room for plenty of improvement ,i dont think those 2 runs at cheltenham were bad runs considering his inexperience and jumping ,so much was expected of him that anything less than wins seems a dissapointment ,he could make mistakes again in gold cup but then again so could all the field .it should be a great race and a great meeting good luck to all, punters and connections
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