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so your slating menorah and praising big bucks for beating to average horses at best may i remind u he beat duc de reigniere and arcalis hardly drever or a baracouda are they . get a grip mate regardless of how old they were menorah beat two very good horses VERY EASILY! too and you seem to forget menorah is only 5 if hes not top class then what is for f u ck sake .
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Menorah faster than Hurricane Fly? Baffling statements here, Fly has run on good ground on the flat and in france.
Also Go Native beat binocular twice and then got injured in the champion hurdle. So form with him is very good. Menorah is a good horse, but take it easy with the hyperbole Alvarado he has yet to beat a good yardstick. He's totally unbackable st his current odds, he'll have to win the champion to make me a believer. |
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french good ground = heavy like all of their meetings
well a beating/thrashing of 12l ascot hurdle winner who is rated 159 and thrashed the reliable karabak in the process and was previously unbeaten makes me think he is a decent yardstick and then chuck in the previously unbeaten cue card then i beg to differ |
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Ascot Hurdler winner beat stayers. Why would form with Karaback matter to 2mile hurdlers? Cue Card had only started racing this year.
Solwhit and Go Native are multiple Grade 1 winning horses. Do you honestly think that form with them is not as good as from with SC and Cue Card? Also its was good ground when he won at Punchestown in April this year. |
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Menorah could indeed be v good, but until he beats proven grade 1 2 milers its all hypothesis.
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as tough as solwhit is and as good as he is hes a grade 2 horse at best honestly menorah would beat him 10l on the bridle like he won on saturday
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Do you honestly think that form with them is not as good as from with SC and Cue Card?
fair question CV,and form with Go Native is good.But i would take Cue Card over Solwhit over 2m. |
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id take menorah over any hurdler at the moment
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Really bud? Cue Card has what raced 5 times and is a novice. You think beating him is better form than beating Solwhit who's won how 5 grade 1's? I find that baffling.
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Lets hope all of them get to The Champion in one piece,I'm in your corner Alvarado personally think they all have Menorah to beat.
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yes i would mate,i honestly think Cue Card would beat Solwhit over 2m,yes he is a novice and some may think i am mad,but i dont rate Solwhit at all over 2m,unless its very soft.
Put it this way on normal CHurdle ground,if both turned up i would expect Cue Card to finish in front of Solwhit. |
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Fair enough, I think you are off your noodle, solwhit has won six grade ones and come second to hurricane fly in two and was sick before cheltenham.
I think it's rather crazy to think cue card is better than solwhit, he's never beaten any decent horses over hurdles. You are mad mate. |
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Thought Somersby ran a cracker behind MM. Must surely go down the Ryanair route now.
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Alvorado, you criticise my post this morning. Menorah may be top class but I still can't see how his bare form merits any superstar rating. Big Bucks on the other hand may not have beaten anything of great note at Newbury but what are you going to put up as a danger to him at Cheltenham in March? The thread is supposed to be about impressive Cheltenham form and the one race that already seems decided barring injury is the World Hurdle. Whether BB would have beaten Inglis Drever or Baracouda is totally irrelevant to the result next March.
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Big Bucks has nothing to prove over hurdles. What a Gold Cup if he were to go for it and I believe he'd have a chance.
I also think Menorah is very good, but would back Hurricane Fly against him. |
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just dont rate solwhit as a 2miler on decent ground.He won those grade 1's on soft or worse type of ground.I even think a novice,albeit a good one by the looks of it,will beat him.
Maybe i am mad!! :) |
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Some horses you take to, some you don't
Never been a fan of Solwhit to be honest and, rightly or wrongly, don't see him as a Champion Hurdle threat to the likes of Binocular and Menorah. Hurricane Fly is a live one, although having been burned on this one ante-post previously I will wait to see him turn up on the day before getting involved. |
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Still feel a bet on Hurricane has a decent amount of risk given history of injury and lack of form in England. If I was a pro I would be laying for as much as i could
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That's why nrnb is where you back fly. But really you should wait until binocular runs on the 26th as fly might drift after that is he wins.
Budd you are mad, forgive the champion hurdle as he was sick and his form is 11111212, with both losses to the fly. He came a close second on good ground at punchestown, he is a very good horse and would beat cue card if they both met in march, no doubt about it. Six grade One wins mate and two seconds to a special horse. You have to admire him, especially his consistency and honesty. I think saying cue card is better over two miles on good ground is madness. Would cue card have run the fly that close at punchestown in april? Real question? |
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I've backed Hurricane Fly the last 2 years,has'nt stopped me this year
either.Just bad luck what's happened to him.Best hurdler about and if he stays sound and runs this season he'll prove it.This horse is top class. |
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Same here, I felt if I keep backing hin when the ap market opens I'll always have the beat odds the day he turns up in march. 5pts at 12/1.
He is the most impressive hurdler I've seen since istabraq. Speaking of whom, I'm staring at a painting of him right now, I the wall of mary macs in ballsbridge. |
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15 Dec 10 12:19 Joined: 20 Sep 10 | Topic/replies: 343 | Blogger: Alvarado's blog ive been watching racing for the last 20 years[/i] The ones you saw from your pram don't count [;)] |
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Haha, steeple
 What you think of the fly yesterday? That was the best days racing I'll ever be at. All for a tenner. Four grade ones a grade two, plus two to handicaps and the three year old race. |
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Hello CV. I thought the Fly was impressive. His hurdling technique looked very ring rusty at times, though I suppose you can forgive him that. Townend rode a very confident race; he likes to keep him well covered up, that's for sure and HF's supporters will be glad there's plenty room at Cheltenham once they turn in.
He doesn't have the sweetest action to my eye, though handsome is as handsome does and I thought he won with quite a bit in hand. The one I took from yesterday was J'y Vole who now looks to be crying out for a trip. Jumped really well in the main and looked most enthusiastic, especially after the slight flat spot she hit as they turned in. Everyone will assume she'll go for the Ryanair but I'll be most surprised if she doesn't get a Gold Cup entry so I took a wee bit of the 230 on here. |
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Well mate, I agree with every word you said there. I was worried from early because the fly wasn't hurdling with any fluency and thought he wasn't going to win because of that. I was wrong. He'll obviously be better when hurdling off a quicker pace and again on better ground.
Townend is my second fav jockey, he is so confident he knows what to do and advice from a bie of over confidence at punchestown on the fly last season he's been perfect on the rides I've seen him on. As for Jy vole she finished like a train. But just do not think mullins will go near the gold cup with her this year. She'll certainly go Ryanair. I'm in the middle of writing up the champion hurdle thread. Will post it in a couple of days. |
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sageform id love to see Quvega against him along with punchestowns ridden behind him people seem to forget he almost beat him twice.and i might sound crazy but with those two doubtful i havent given up on ZAYNAR yet up to 3m with the cheekpieces on if he can run to his champion hurdle 3rd he,ll hve a massive chance
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CV,i aint really impressed with those soft ground wins in Ireland,thats my choice.He aint really performed that well on decent ground over 2m over here,probably excuse for his CH run,but rubbish in Newcastle really.
I stand by my comment that Cue Card would finish in front of him in the CH on normal ground. By the way Binocular hurdles better than HF imo,and his performance last year in the CH was the best i have seen since Istabraq. |
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I stand by my comment that Cue Card would finish in front of him in the CH on normal ground.
Anyone else think i am mad,or am i just being a tad controversial? |
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Dont think Solwhit could finish in the first 6 at Cheltenham, he has no gears at all which doesnt say a lot for the Irish horses he has been beating imo.
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I just think it's impossible to say if cue card would, we've no idea if he's very good, it's hard enough to know if Menorah is Champion Hurdle class given what he's beat let alone cue card. So I suppose it's just visual impression that you are going on.
Also Fly and Binocular on their game are the best hurdlers in training, they both are equally as slick over them while both have had some less than great hurdling days. But I think they're both better on good ground. |
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Fair comments mate.
Dont think Either will line up in CH to be honest. HF and Bino will though of course,and it would be great if both showed thier best on the day,blimey PC,menorah and co would have to be very good to beat them then,wonder if they are?? |
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If a horse can beat a fit and on the game fly and binocular in march then I'll be looking at something special. I just can't see it happening. Maybe Peddlers can so something great in january, but realistically it'll be a weak field in that race.
Solwhit should skip cheltenham and focus on aintree imv |
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Whatever happens,we wont know until the day.Thats to me is what makes this race so intriguing most years,so many unknowns,and this year we have some smashing novices,a champ that we dont know what he will do on the day as is the case with him,a potential wonder horse thats been so unlucky with injuries,plus a few more like GN,KK who we aint seen yet this season.
Fascinating to say the least,CANT WAIT!!! |
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Yeah I better get my champion hurdle thread up soon. Need to finish my write up. It's my favorite race after all.
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I agree about Solwhit going for Aintree...it could be easy money. I just wish they al get to the CH in one piece because in most years it is a great contest.
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I really really liked the performance of Grand Crus. Yes it was only a small handicap and yes we've seen loads of higher rated horses in more valuable races but I just loved the way he travelled and jumped. Came out 1 week later and won the brush hurdle race at Haydock similarly impressively. Cannot wait to see him over fences next season. Worth a small ew punt without Big Bucks in the world hurdle imo.
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I can't understand how anyone can fancy a horse like Zaynar to beat Big Bucks. He is a typical Triumph winner off the flat. Very few of them train on. Penzance, Katchit (despite winning a poor CH) Made in Japan etc. I would fancy Big Bucks to beat any horse in training over hurdles or fences over more than 2.5 miles and that includes Kauto Star. Your only hope of getting him beat is injury or a fall. The reason why people point a finger at the quality of his opposition is that trainers don't want to take him on.
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Kauto would jump Big Bucks into the ground over fences.
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not really hes just fallen into a division that is so weak do you honestly think hes a better hurdler than say a inglis drever
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I think he probably is. Nobody really knows just how good Big Bucks could be over hurdles, he only ever just does enough and nobody has ever got to the bottom of him.
Inglis Drever was a fantastic horse around Cheltenham but Big Bucks is more versatile when i comes to different tracks, as he has proved around Aintree the last two years. |