Quel Espirit

Thanks willie for keeping punters informed - Quel Espirit now out of the Arkle why the feck enter him in the first place/

any books doing nr no bet on the rsa?

bigbucksanders
childofmine dont call me a gimp again ill eat ure children u runt

Well stop talking sh1te then and start talkin some sense!

Down - Dont know if Quel Esprit was unlikely to run in Irish Arkle as Willie did say yesterday that he was a confirmed runner along with Flat Out

Was on Get on this morning, said there was nothing wrong with QE and was gonna wait for the Moriarty.

Anyone backing Quel Esprit for the Irish Arkle was a bit daft to be fair. He was outpaced over 2m4f before, he is a stayer, he was entered because the weather has claimed plenty of races already.

^^^ we werent backing just wanted to see him run.

Anyone backing Quel Esprit for the Irish Arkle was a bit daft to be fair.

Think thats a bit generous to be honest!

I agree with what you're saying Down and wouldn't ever have him over 2m1f but if I did back him on what Willie said, I wouldn't be one bit happy.

Quel Esprit won easy over 2m 3.5f more pocket talking from CVByrne the clueless pocket talking pocket talker.

Can someone give me a copy of Willies comments because he only talked about Flat Out from what I read.

Matt Chapman asked him why he was missing from the Arkle race, and if all was OK, and Willie just said Yes, and he's likely to wait for Moriarty. That's it.He then went onto to speak about Flat Out.

Interview should be on ATR website

Im only paraphrasing but he definateley said something like-both horses run Sunday Emmitt Mullins rides Flat Out and Paul Townend rides Quel Esprit.

re todays interview, he didn't say QE was a definate, but he neither said MDH was either, and it would be hard to imagine him not having one reprsentative. Blazing Tempo is in also who looks very decent but also has a Mares engagement.

Personally think MDH should be given an begginers chase rather than another step into G1 company. The trip of the Moriarty suits QE perfectly at this stage.

Speed the Moriarity is run would be about the same as the RSA, and we know Quel stays so no fact finding needed there.

He didnt stay 3m at Cheltenham beaten 38 lengths in the Albert Bartlett when only 7th which is why they had him in the shorter 2m 5f Neptune in which he fell. LMFAO pocket talkers r'us.

ive been harping on aboout Flat Out for the last three days here,his workhas been the best ive seen looks likely to peakin perfect time for Chelltenhamhave a decent cut at 10s ew for the Irish Arkle and have backed him heavily for the Arkle down to 14s,Hills still giving 14s will be 8s after the wweeekend

The market opened with Flat Out at 7/1 so I'm baffled how you managed to get 10/1 for the Irish Arkle.

He was never 10's. Well done for telling a porky.

itopened higher than 10's backed it at 10s in Paddypower on the 04/01/11 again on the 5th and on the 7th

I know sint, I've the horse backed ap for both the Arkle and Irish Arkle.

This louse69 seems to be wanting people to think he's got inside knowledge about mullins stable, but he talks too much and only joined betair in may.

Check what you say before you post it opened 8s in vc again hit by us and 8s and Bet365

http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing-betting/ante-post-racing/national-hunt/arkle-novice-chase


Please watch what you call someone before posting. I have been going on about Flat Out since helping him do somework at the start of the season

Also PP offered 12s before Christmas, so please check your stats before accusing people on here. Thanks

Ill say one more thing take the 14son Flat Out in Hills now

What is posting a link to odds checker gonna prove?

The odds that it opened you clown.How stupid are you? You come on here abusing me over opening prices when you obviously didnt look at the Irish Arkle when it opened, the prices came out during Leopardstown Christmas festival

louse, think we're right to be sceptical to be honest Flat Out didn't run in a begginrs chase until Jan 8 and your saying you backed him before then for a grade 1! Anyway, gl with your bet, hope he does the bizzo.

I agree Sintonian with what you are saying but the feel the lads had on this could'nt of been stronger.10s they said was extreme value even without seeing himon track advantage of working there before. I have a flat tip that i wwillpost in the coming weeks so that this wont happen again as i started backing it a month.

Whats WP's best bumper horse iyo?

I will askoneof the lads tomorrow for you and pm you. Sintonian can i ask you something,if you got really strong wordon a horse and its running a nothing race that it will 75% of the time win and if it does the price on its next aim this case the Irish Arkle will be significantly effected would you back both races before it runs or after,once the info hits the tape value is over 50% gone therfore more risk implies,this is why when i heard i did the two Arkle's andthen had two bets on him that day one at 11/8 and the other at evs which i think returned 11/10 if i remember correctly

hope it wins after all this

louse69 dont listen to them mate I believe your prices. I have backed him for the Irish Arkle and was tempted earlier but with Mullins you really dont know what will run if like me you dont get inside info.

Studied his first run and for me he is the horse to put it up to Ghizao in the Arkle itself but only if his jumping holds up, he has such speed to burn you know it will be a good Arkle this year with him and Ghizao in it. Also stepped up my combis on Flat Out. There is a strong suspicion Nolan is aiming Noble Prince after his recent comments over elaborating on how the jockey said the further he went the better he went over a longer trip, they are looking to step him up etc ... personally I think they are aiming him at the Arkle behind all of this. He is an interesting candidate and worth a cover.

Louse, I dont listen to stonr words, to be perfectly honest. If you are very closely connected to people involved then fine, but more often than not it is secondary info rather than primary, and you wont make a profit in the long run betting like that.

good luck for tomorrow anwya, top price is 5/2 now, the price Eric has taken.

*strong

Quel Esprit = RSA, Cheltenham = Victory = money for me and you(unless your thick enough not to back it

I hope so too bud, I've backed him for this antepost and he's my main Arkle horse too.

Also sint, bud, check the Zaidpour thread, this louse is a liar. I caught him out. Fed up with these kind of people on betfair.

I reckon Louse/Mayweather/Eric are all the same person. Just spreading crap and lies and putting people way off target, if anyone is even listening to them anymore!

just watching tmrw cv,so will cheer it in for you.

yeh,read those threads re the louse chap,he is well out of order it seems.what with mayweather telling us QE was injured as well,think bfair need to take a look at some of these posts.

childofmine block me you clown. You get as much wrong as sintonian and that is saying something.

By the way childofmine where have I put people way off target rather than get things right while you carry on guessing. Dont accuse people of lieing when they are not you thick clown. I dont get into childish things like sintonian ringing up to get people banned because they have a clue and he doesnt, if I did you would all be banned for spreading malicious incorrect rubbish above.

Flat outs formis dead solid 4th in the Supreme was a dreamlast day with the1st and last the only problems

Impressive though he was, he beat fcuk all that day. The 2nd and 3rd favourites were non-runners on the day. The current 9/4 is a ridiulous price for what he has achieved and is being backed on connections and strength of what the trainer has said.

Well as he is 2/5 (0.4/1) to lose and 5/2 (2.5/1) to win, you having a more than 6 times better chance of him losing than winning today still doesnt mean you have a clue if he loses clown. His jumping is key.

He was/is favourite, Eric. So dress it up how you like. Flat Out is the least exposed runner in the field today, so he is perfectly entitled to improve and step up on what he has shown, but even someone as biased as you will have to admite he didn'' beat much last time, and his price today has a lot to do with Willie Mullins tipping everyone off. Good lcuk with you bet, if you do have a winner, I hope you enjoy it instead of copying and pasting every comment you have ever made just to gloat.

It looks a good race, and may the best horse win.

Have covered on Saludos re Flat Out's jumping.

There we go jumping was the key travelling easy when he fell. Ghizao, Captain Chris and Finian's Rainbow still the ones to beat unless Flat Out and quite a few others of Mullins get jumping lessons. Noble Prince needs stepping up in trip not the pace to win the Arkle.

It may sound silly to say but I dont think Mullins is giving his novices enough time between their races. Flat Out ran just 15 days ago in a beginners chase and was then thrust into grade 1 company. For the top races like Arkle's etc preparation is everything.

I was impressed with Realt Dubh battling back there today, but still think the English horses are the one to beat. Flat Out worth another chance, if he is given the time!

Agree on that they also need to get someone in to help with jumping coaching the horses. Henderson gets people in to talk to his horses (Long Run who went on to win the King George) dont think a jumping specialist at Mullins to sort them out over the larger obstacles would go amiss. Binocular last season they had someone in sort his hurdling out ... is Mullins going to look for ways of improving the novices jumping?

Quel Espirit would be a lay for me in the Arkle. In his stable tour WM said 'He's built for chasing, he will appreciate plenty of distance and soft ground'. Doesn't sound like Arkle for me.

I appreciate M D'A wouldn' be ideal but I somehow feel the RSA can be a horse breaker and he wil avoid it with this horse. May be wrong of course, after all I thought Thousand Stars would be his Arkle horse, he got that wrong.

All evidence so far shows Mikael should go for the longer race re his jumping being way better as he cruised up with Jessie's Dream compared to the 2 miles where he lost his rhythm completely. Quel Esprit will have a better chance in the 2m 4f race. They shouldnt give up on Flat Out for the Arkle  he has the pace and had a great rhythm until he came down.

QE isn't going for the Arkle. If he was, he'd have ran today.

"Well as he is 2/5 (0.4/1) to lose and 5/2 (2.5/1) to win, you having a more than 6 times better chance of him losing than winning"

Don't want to be a pedant eric, but don't think the odds' percentage chances you have quoted quite work like that.

ok ...win more than 6 times the amount for him winning ... I do know prpobabilities

Good good, just wanted to make sure you didn't confuse the less intellectual posters than yourself.

No worries, I use maths for betting on sport I wouldnt want to let you down on this. Simultaneous equations, binomial theorem, recursion theorem, conditional probabilities. Is that ok?

Yes, that all sounds very good. Just making sure you didn't think a 2/5 shot was 6 times more likely to win than a 5/2 shot.

LOL Dan. Eric embarrased himself, again.

LOL Dan. Eric embarrased himself, again.

ChildOfMine2 is an idiot who accused me of being Mayweather incorrectly. He is now blocked by me.

Albion Dan, yes I think I clarified that for you though it isnt rocket science which you are no doubt well versed in.

Flat Out is still a superb bet for the Arkle going on prices cant believe Stan James pushed him out to his original 20s yesterday again

Louse is M D'A likely to go for this? He ran against the same horses as Flat Out did and he was 4/7.

Brigust louse is a liar, he has no confection to the stable. I caught him out in his lies on the zaidpour thread. Please don't waste your time.

Louse I sent you a pm. Let me know.

can I ask why you believe this louse? He lied trying to say he's had this betfair account since 05 when you can  clearly see he opened it last year.

Come on CV. We all have our reasons for doing what we do and we shouldn't be answerable to strangers. I'm a grown up and hope I can tell when someone is genuine, the rest, as they say, is up to me.

Can't for the life of me understand why you'd believe he is telling the truth. Stands out big time as full of it. But you can do as you like. I hope you don't make antepost getting decisions based on his "info". You're a good poster.

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WHAT RACE ffs

Goes RSA 95%

RSA!?!

I thought he was NHchase bound?

More U-turns than a very U-turny thing; wish they'd confirm one way or another!

RSA:
General consensus was that Time For Rupert was poor value. Mullins said Mikael D’Haguenet and Quel Esprit will run in this. He seemed much more confident about Quel Esprit who he said worked very well at Leopardstown. Robbie was in agreement about Quel Esprit.

RSA : The vibes on Miael D'haguenet were not that good, said Ruby prob will pick Aiteen Thirtythree. PM actually said he fancies Quel Espirit more, would have got to ride him in the 4 miler had he not worked so well on Sunday and seemed angry that he now had to miss out on another possible Cheltenham winner.

lol sweet, i'd had a £10 saver early season at 20/1.

running QE tells us all we need to know about MDH's chances.

currently 14/1 on here anyway

Taken the 20/1 nrnb for the RSA

I've had this one since before he jumped a fence, always been a big fan. Think he needed the run lto and was unlucky falling. Defo got a big chance and was always RSA bound after the gallop

CV can you post on ****

quack?

Yep Opened an account on .com and could post.

We have an exiles thread on Antepost fourm here

Just seen it

You going to any previews soon?

Was thinking of taking the 20/1 nrnb and laying out of my 28/1 bet on here but I don't have an account with C0ral or sporting

Sweet 25/1 with lads. took that e/w and will now lay my bet back from here. I'm willing to gamble.

Yeah tel going to the one in Leopardstown, Mullins and Francome. Have a few good questions for Mullins on Zaidpour ans Fly.

Ask him about So Young please CV, undecided as to whether he should be a saver for Oscars Wel..

I did my research on So young and had to add him 6/1 nrnb to cover my ap bets on Oscar and first Lieutenant.

Townend said he's the best novice Mullins is sending over. Really likes him. Was amazed how he picked up lto and to be fair he has hacked up on his two starts.

I'll quiz mullins on him alright.

nice one cheers.

So Young

2 different peoples notes from same preview night

Patrick Mullins actually said he fancies Quel Espirit more, would have got to ride him in the 4 miler had he not worked so well on Sunday and seemed angry that he now had to miss out on another possible Cheltenham winner.

Patrick Mullins said Mikael D’Haguenet and Quel Esprit will run in this. He seemed much more confident about Quel Esprit who he said worked very well at Leopardstown.

^ RSA

Ah Mr Mullins at it again

CVByrne,
can you ask him if Sivote goes for the Pertempts please

Wasn't in his cheltenham team I don't think. That's out of my memory, will check and ask.

Essexguy

Sivota

Hes qualified after nice run at leopardstown and with a horse like him you have little option but to try these big handicaps.

The hustle and bustle of a big race like the pertemps will suit him.

taken from RP Festival guide

T.V.
Thanks for that.

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Was the winner a mile out until he fell. At the absolute worst he places, I had him e/w @ 25/1

Stays 4 miles would have powered home. He's an excellent jumper but makes a balls of one which has cost him twice now. Defo hitting him hard nto with fallers insurance.

Hope he goes for the Hennessy next year. He'll have a decent chance, but the Hennessy winner is so blindingly obvious at this stage. China Rock would have probably beaten Kauto in the Gold cup if he didn't get injured, he was tanking. If it's soft Pando wins.

Long way to that race and would need to see the weights but Denman would have a very good chance again on his Gold Cup run - especially if it comes up soft.

Would n't discount the first two from the latest renewal either - Diamond Harry built for a weight carrying job though Burton Port is much slighter and might struggle with a welter burden, got fitness to prove too but very tough.

The rejuvenated What a Friend on decent ground would also have a squeak (already put up one good performance in the race).

Second season chasers normally do well but not sure there's an obvious candidate coming out of RSA.

I've covered my options pretty well there but I'm really saying don't think it's as cut and dried as China Rock on good and Pandorama on soft at this stage. [;)]

Pandorama put up a decent effort in Gold Cup though given the ground was against him. In fact all the first eight ran creditably which shows what a good race it was (s'pose you could leave the old monkey Tidal Bay out of that but would be churlish to do so)

China Rock is a certainty Rease, but keep it quiet so we can get some tasty prices. He is out for the rest of the season and a low key prep run over here and he'll go to the Hennessy on near bottom weight. Horse would have beaten Kauto in the Gold Cup, that's coming from Kauto's biggest fan. So he imv would have been a few lengths down on Denman and will get almost 2 stone off him in the Hennessy.

China Rock needs good ground though. Pando will be higher up in the weights but he is a serious horse, and if it's soft ground he has a crackin chance too.

fair enough - will keep eye out for the prices

[;)]

Irish raider China Rock remains in England for treatment after suffering a season-ending injury in the totesport Cheltenham Gold Cup.

The eight-year-old chestnut, trained by Gold Cup-winning handler Mouse Morris, travelled sweetly from the outset before suddenly weakening four out.

China Rock was subsequently pulled up before the penultimate fence, but it later transpired he had sustained tendinitis in one of his legs.

"I've had to leave him over in England," said County Tipperary-based Morris.

"He's with the doctors and vets over there because he's got a bit of tendinitis.

"It's not life-threatening or anything like that - he'll be back, but not this season.

"I'm gutted because he would have definitely finished in the first four.

"Going down the hill he was travelling unbelievably well.

cvbyrne he was travelling like the winner and almost 75% sure he would of won.

the bad thing for me mate was i put a 10p each way lucky 15 with a 50p each way acc in october.

captain chris 14/1
hurricane fly 5/1
long run 20/1
quel esprit 20/1

so close sick as a pig cost me 38k and only got £260 back. maybe another time lol

Serious unlucky there, I'm sure Quel would have won. I'm happy I have been right about him though, defo was good enough to win an RSA.