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Is it the RSA or the Arkle?

Has anyone asked Mr Mullins this rather important question yet?

No stable tour to be found as far as I can see.
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Report eric_morris December 30, 2010 2:30 PM GMT
Dont know about sellers he was winning a Grade 1 in a hack canter last time out, he either bounced or lost a lot of confidence after his fall as we saw a different horse today.
Report sintonian December 30, 2010 3:00 PM GMT
yep seems logical Wicketd. MDH was dropping from 20f lto to 17f today against one or two horses who deffo have more speed. I couldn't be having him for the Arkle now tbh, he is 33/1 on here for anyone who fancies it.
Report eric_morris December 30, 2010 3:10 PM GMT
Todays run was nothing to do with the distance of the race, if they had gone further he would have been beaten further. Last time out he was stuffing todays winner Realt Dubh in a hack canter before knuckling on landing over the last. Think he lost confidence after the fall, at least he got around today which will help him next time out. If he had fallen today it was game over re his confidence over fences, now he lives to fight another day.
Report robelnino December 30, 2010 3:21 PM GMT
was hanging badly the last five six fences which would suggest he hurt himself during the race. hope its nothing serious. ridiculous running him so soon.
Report eric_morris December 30, 2010 3:23 PM GMT
Mullins wasnt happy with him from as early as the 5th.
Report EastLower Gooner December 30, 2010 3:33 PM GMT
World Hurdle?
Report eric_morris December 30, 2010 3:44 PM GMT
By all means have your fiver on at big odds but he may have gone lame or anything there. Best to wait and hear if it is physical and if not it could be confidence or bounce running so soon after following a very long layoff.
Report stevo1 December 30, 2010 5:09 PM GMT
Jewson Handicap given one more run?
Report buddeliea December 30, 2010 5:21 PM GMT
No Arkle horse as i have been saying,definite stayer as his hurdle form suggests.
Ground would not have suited today,but their is no way he will run in Arkle now imo
Report Panto Prince December 30, 2010 8:00 PM GMT
Eric,

there is a decent Novice Hunter Chase at Stratford in May for which he will be qualified by 2012.
Report Latinomagic December 30, 2010 9:04 PM GMT
definite bounce today - put a line through it and move on
Report eric_morris December 31, 2010 7:27 PM GMT
No updates on his physical well-being today. Horse ran like he hadnt trained since his last run and had too much Christmas pudding you dont go from hero to zero in one run? Trainer says no plans, connections have been so patient surely the horse should be sorted out by now?
Report Mozza2 December 31, 2010 8:28 PM GMT
Not sure he was a hero. He didn't win did he?
Report Mozza2 December 31, 2010 8:30 PM GMT
The horse has a history of injuries aswell. Was reported to be ready last season, but then never made it to the track.

People who backed this horse for the Arkle must have faint hopes now i'd say
Report eric_morris December 31, 2010 8:35 PM GMT
Really think the horse has masses of ability, he effortlessly moved up alongsides Jessie's Dream last time who is a v good horse. Would love Ruby up on him to sort his jumping though as it is during races he needs guidance. Makes my Gold Cup choice easier next year if they dont sort him out.
Report eric_morris December 31, 2010 8:36 PM GMT
Gold Cup 2012 that is.
Report Stake & Chips December 31, 2010 8:43 PM GMT
Ruby will be on Big Buck's Silly
Report Mozza2 December 31, 2010 8:54 PM GMT
The horse does have masses of ability. He won 6 races in a row including 3 grade 1's.

The question is whether he will be suited to an Arkle ? And will he be suited to an Arkle now given his profile of F5 in two starts over fences with ''no plans'' currently scheduled. It might be stating the obvious , but in terms of ante-post bets this one looks decidely iffy for supporters.
Report eric_morris December 31, 2010 9:08 PM GMT
Weird but if they dont sort him now after last year think we wont see him again, got strange feelings on this one.
Report brandyontherocks December 31, 2010 11:32 PM GMT
sadly its just typical of the fool willie mullins.  gets a top class horse who had problems and missed all last year and decides to bounce him out twice in the space of a fortnight in 2 grade 1's.
Report eric_morris January 1, 2011 10:29 AM GMT
Looks like Zaidpour and Mikael D'Haguenet bounced after running so impressively just a couple of weeks earlier. They both looked like different horses the other day.

There are still 3 months left to the Festival would be amazed if both horses arent given a break by Mullins then brought back in time for the Festival all guns blazing as in their last but one runs.
Report Wicketd January 1, 2011 11:04 AM GMT
Why did Zaidpour bounce? Mullins was confident he'd win, he went off at a price that suggested he would win with ease. Is it entirely beyond the realms of possibility that he was just beaten by a novice of equal, or better, ability? Has perfect smile improved? Hidden Cyclone's no mug. FL is thought an awful lot of.

He 'bounced' is just a ridiculous excuse, he didn't come from a long lay off, Mullins was happy with him after his second win over hurdles. If he was good enough he would've won.
Report eric_morris January 1, 2011 11:27 AM GMT
When horses bounce it isn't expected otherwise they wouldn't be running. Perhaps Zaidpour did come up against decent types however Mikael was slaughtering Realt Dubh without being asked a question last time out, either he bounced or his jumping confidence was affected by his knuckle on landing though it didnt look a traumatic fall. To get 5th in the race the other day show how good he is when he wasnt half the horse we had seen the race before.
Report eric_morris January 1, 2011 11:30 AM GMT
Would say if It is jumping confidence then the horse needs to be reassured quickly and getting around last time helped that. If we dont see him come out and show the promise of his first run over fences again in the next couple of months you would have to scratch him from being considered a Gold Cup horse of the future.
Report buddeliea January 1, 2011 11:52 AM GMT
What is it with these Mullins hype horses.Mikd,Zaidpour the latest 2 that cannot be defeated unless there is something amiss with them.Keep racking up the excuses and give my regards to the poor house when you get there.
Report unclepuncle January 1, 2011 12:43 PM GMT
MDH was a prime candidate to bounce - long lay off, impressive on reappearance (bar slipping on landing at the last) then runs like a drain 2 weeks later. TBH I can't believe Mullins isn't aware of this type of scenarioConfused

Also as brandyontherocks says it seems bonkers to run a horse who has had such a long lay off in two Grade 1's in the space of 3 weeks- after that fall on debut he should have been looking for a nice little race to restore his confidence and get his career back on track.

Zaidpour has less of an excuse but I still feel he didn't run anywhere near to his best - half tempted to back him for the Supreme now the price has drifted markedly.
Report sintonian January 1, 2011 1:19 PM GMT
Zaidpur ran with more credit than MDH. He got beat in a photo whilst MDH jumped worse of the pair that day imo.

I'd rather put a line through Zaidpour's run than MDH tbh, simply because MDH is not reliable on the injury front as his career to date suggest.
Report sintonian January 1, 2011 1:19 PM GMT
Zaidpur at 10/1 is cracking prices imo if we knew thats where he was heading.
Report buddeliea January 1, 2011 1:43 PM GMT
has it occurred to anyone that they might not be as good as some seem to think they are,in particular Mik d??
Would not be too harsh on Zaidpour,after all he is an improving type,and probably did not like the ground the other day.
Certainly think Mik d is rather over hyped by some.
Report BraveInca2006. January 1, 2011 1:49 PM GMT
Yes, Mikaels form is pretty average. Do yourself a favourite and look at the horses he beat in his novice hurdle season without a proper test.
Report buddeliea January 1, 2011 2:00 PM GMT
They are all stayers,one of which would have probably beaten him(karabak)had mccoy been awake on the day!! Cousin vinny??
Two chases,one he did not finish,the other pretty much rubbish.
Report BraveInca2006. January 1, 2011 2:12 PM GMT
He patently bounced on Thursday.
Report unclepuncle January 1, 2011 2:21 PM GMT
Bud - MDH may never reach the heights due to injury etc, but he is/was clearly top class and the bad run the other day was simply waiting to happen - just very poor judgement from the trainer (who should know better. Though who knows, it may have ruined the horse for good.
Report buddeliea January 1, 2011 2:22 PM GMT
ok,lets see what happens next time he runs.
What distance,and hurdles or fences??
Report unclepuncle January 1, 2011 2:23 PM GMT
Thats assuming he runs againShocked
Report eric_morris January 1, 2011 2:49 PM GMT
Think they should try the RSA with him he will have more time at his fences and can ease into the race as he did first time out. Repeating that run alone and staying on his feet might be enough to win an RSA as Jessie's is a major contender for that and think he had him covered.
Report BraveInca2006. January 1, 2011 4:25 PM GMT
The really smart thing to do with an eye on the long term would be to go for the PJ Moriarty on Irish Hennessy day followed by the Powers Gold Cup at Fairyhouse. I would then throw the horse in against the seniors in the Punchestown Gold Cup. However, Cheltenham is the be all and end all these days and i am sure he will end up there most probably in the Arkle.
Report Mr Mischief January 1, 2011 4:29 PM GMT
What do people want? WM criticized last year for wrapping him up in cotton wool, he's good to go this year and WM get's criticized for running him.Willie can't change the weather and he needs this horse to race when the opportunities arise. It was as clear an example of the bounce factor as you'll see. Arkle cert this oneCool
Report eric_morris January 1, 2011 7:52 PM GMT
Is entered in the Irish Arkle at Leopardstown.
Report buddeliea January 2, 2011 5:42 AM GMT
surprised at the entry,would have thought mullins would know he is a stayer,mind you this is mullins!!
Report eric_morris January 2, 2011 5:57 AM GMT
He has natural cruising speed so not surprised by the entry though it is debatable whether the RSA or Arkle is best for him. He was in the process of winning a Grade 1 first time up without breaking out of a canter before going to the last against Jessie's Dream who has a major chance in the RSA.

Perhaps running in the Irish Arkle first will let them know the RSA is the best option if he is beaten again when up against Realt Dubh and co again at the trip. Alternatively, if he wins showing he bounced last time after such a long time out, they would probably go Arkle to keep his miles down with a view to the Gold Cup next season.

Shows once more, for people who forget the likes of Therealbandit etc, you need to learn to jump efficiently at novice level for a season before joining the seniors so all this nonsense of him running in the Gold Cup this season can be dropped.
Report buddeliea January 2, 2011 6:09 AM GMT
up early Eric!!

RSA or WH for me if he runs at Festival.Depending on his jumping next time out.If WH he would interest me,think that could be his game.
Just dont see anything in him that screams 2 mile chaser.Mind you i said the same about My Way De Solzen!!
Report eric_morris January 2, 2011 7:34 AM GMT
Mullins has admitted to messing up running him in two Grade 1's after such a long break having read his RPost column. He then goes on to say he has NO PLANS ... lol ... only a trainer or banker can totally mess up then give themselves the option of not sorting out the mess they have just created. Zaidpour he does have plans for strangely after also bouncing.
Report sintonian January 2, 2011 10:06 AM GMT
Apparently Mullins does have a plan for Zaidpour but not for MDH.

That makes perfect sense to me. Zaidpour just ran flat the other day, and only got beat a neck on the line. It is very easy to put a line through his run because he nearly won.

MDH on the otherhand jumped out to his right badly and hanged. It wasn't just a bounce factor in play there.

On the Arkle thread our mate Eric Morris laughed at some of us for backing Royal Charm and losing our money. Looks like the shoe is on the other foot now.
Report eric_morris January 2, 2011 11:06 AM GMT
You are a total liar sintonian you said you had me blocked when in fact you are removing it to read what I say .. nobody knows what my bets are on any of the races as I havent said and that's how it will stay. I have made you look stupid many times already this season how long must it go on?
Report eric_morris January 12, 2011 9:01 PM GMT
Looks more likely to go for the RSA now, performed way better at the longer trip when he was extremely likely to beat Jessie's Dream if he hadnt knuckled on landing. Very weak for the Arkle can see Flat Out being the trainers horse for that now if he performs with credit in the Irish Arkle a week on Sunday.
Report gutfeeling January 12, 2011 11:57 PM GMT
myself i dont think zaidpour bounced on his defeat,i would say he was given a fair bit to do by townend and finished off well enough on pretty bad ground and will improve hugely on better springtime ground with a step up in trip imo and it probably did him a favour finding out what racing is about rather than just cantering over horses in ireland as is bound to have to be hard pushed to win a race at any of the spring festivals.

mdh..well the 2m run was too bad to be true after he ran so well before crumbling to the ground like a tired horse when alongside jessies dream,i'd say he was being held onto on his first start and had the time to get into the race without doing much but ultimately is unlikely to scale the heights we all thought possible before his injury...chase form now reads 2f5 hardly inspired stuff
Report Mayweather January 13, 2011 12:03 AM GMT
Well, if Mr Mullins runs Mikeal D'Haguenet in the Arkle the horse will finish tailed off. If he is to go anywhere it would be the RSA Chase but I will tell you now, he won't even go to Cheltenham. Mark my words!
Report gutfeeling January 13, 2011 12:07 AM GMT
i agree,arkle wont suit and i feel is a unlikely rsa horse anyhow,a back to hurdling plan should be put in place imo
Report Masterminded January 13, 2011 12:14 PM GMT
I think you will see him in the Arkle. It's not a very strong renewal atm in terms of depth and I think a stiff 2 miles will play right into MDH's hands. I think he would do ok in the RSA but being the gruelling race it is I can't see it suiting a horse who's had as many problems. It's fair to say he bounced in his last race after such a long lay off before his first run it was bound to take a lot out of him.
Report CVByrne January 13, 2011 12:37 PM GMT
Horse will run in the arkle, please reserve judgement on him until he runs in the irish arkle. He bounced at leopardstown. Horse would gave won his only other chase start but for a skip on landing,  unfortunate.
Report eric_morris January 13, 2011 7:56 PM GMT
If he runs at the Festival it will be the RSA. Flat Out is the stables no 1 Irish Arkle and Arkle horse now. Has the beating of Jessie's Dream it would be a brilliant spectacle him against Time For Rupert in the RSA where his jumping would be given more time.
Report Mayweather January 13, 2011 11:47 PM GMT
Mikeal will run in the RSA Chase. Don't listen to CVByrne, the guy ain't got a clue. He is a muppet! Mikeal DF'Haguenet will get done for toe if he ran in the Arkle. Step him up in trip, that was the problem last time although he def ain't as good as he was. Time For Rupert will stuff Jessies Dream out of sight in the RSA Chase.
Report eric_morris January 15, 2011 2:22 PM GMT
Assume that whichever of Mullins is selected to run in the Irish Arkle next weekend will be his number one Arkle hope.
Report BJG January 20, 2011 1:33 PM GMT
Willie Mullins plans to stick over fences with his top-class prospect Mikael D'Haguenet.

The three-time Grade One-winning hurdler made his long-awaited return from a lengthy absence at Fairyhouse in December and all appeared to be going according to plan until he tipped up at the final fence.

He disappointed on his next appearance at Leopardstown a couple of weeks later, where his jumping let him down as he finished a well-beaten fifth.

But the champion trainer said afterwards that the run had come too soon for his charge and he decided to bypass this weekend's Frank Ward Solicitors Arkle Novice Chase at Leopardstown to give him more time.

"I'm happy with him, but we just decided to wait a bit longer," said Mullins.

"He's in the Dr PJ Moriarty Novice Chase (February 6th) so we'll look at that, but I haven't decided yet what I'm going to do.

"He has an entry in the World Hurdle, but at the moment that is just a safety net.

"At the moment, the plan is for his next run to be over fences."
Report louse69 January 20, 2011 3:44 PM GMT
Owners wanted him to go in the Gold Cup which Willie was'nt keen on, we are now unsure if he will venture across at all, he has to run a really big race next day out for him to travel, if he does it will 99% be the RSA, Flat Out is  going for the Arkle so that can be scratched, that leaves him with the two
Report alexmillwall January 20, 2011 4:09 PM GMT
c'mon micky d
Report McK30wn January 20, 2011 7:59 PM GMT
I think mullins is in a win win situation...  if he runs in the moriarty and runs well but get beat he is still a novice and therefore he could go for the RSA as if he beat in that he will still be a novice and stay that till next season.. cant see him jumping hurdles again

Doubt ruby will get off BB for him in a world hurdle
Report ChildOfMine2 January 20, 2011 9:28 PM GMT
Was told that Mr Ricci wanted to run the horse at Christmas despite the fact that Willie wanted to wait a little bit longer. The race came too soon and he's now as big as 16/1 for the RSA because of one bad run. Still the horse to beat in the RSA and looks a proper bet at 5's for the Dr PJ Moriarty in two weeks time....
Report Temlett January 20, 2011 11:18 PM GMT
You were told wrong COM.
Report ilikewavingatbuses January 21, 2011 12:23 AM GMT
its the RSA!and if he can get his jumping sorted he'll win hard held!!

(p.s he hasnt lost his ability and he IS as good over fences, he was winning on the bridle 1st time up, and he got beat by a street by that same horse he was going to beat 1st time out, why? the answer  is simple....he BOUNCED) , do yourself a favour, no matter what race this horse to goes to the festival for, back him, he'll win!!
Report buddeliea January 21, 2011 7:45 AM GMT
Trouble is,we can only judge on what we see,and i aint been that impressed to be honest,but have with TFR,and anyone who thinks Mikd can beat him hard held,well thats hard to believe.Certainly on what i have seen,and thats how i judge and back,not on the word of people i dont know.
No offence intended,after all some of you may know what you are talking about.
Saying things like he WILL win,that dont really help imo.
Report alexmillwall January 21, 2011 8:39 AM GMT
i just dont think TFR has beat anything decent, yes he jumps well but as per his hurdling i think the top of the top will alwasy beat him. I think mikael d'h fits in that group if he gets a clear round.
Report Augustine January 21, 2011 8:48 AM GMT
Mullins in today's Post: "We have not yet decided to stop chasing with him..."
Report Mayweather January 21, 2011 9:27 AM GMT
He will go in neither. He will be in the 2 and a half mile race - muppets!
Report eric_morris January 21, 2011 10:49 AM GMT
Quel Esprit will be in the 2m 4f race, fits him like a glove speed/stamina wise.
Report ChildOfMine2 January 21, 2011 10:56 AM GMT
Temlett
You were told wrong COM


Well in fact, I actually heard Willie say it - I just didn't want to say that!
Report Mayweather January 21, 2011 11:20 AM GMT
alexmilwall - you are a muppet! Time for Rupert is a machine, it will win the RSA Chase.
Report buddeliea January 21, 2011 12:09 PM GMT
Alex,this is not a hurdle race we are talking about.And as it happens i aint that impressed with Mikd's hurdles form anyway,he beat a load of stayers in the Neptune,none of which have exactly been that great since aside from Diamond Harry who dont seem to act that well at Chelt to me,and he beat Cousin Vinny in Ireland.
As for jumping,which is what matters,TFR looks to me a lot better in that Dept
Report Temlett January 21, 2011 12:22 PM GMT
COM,

If that is what you heard then fine. It would not surprise me in the least if he is covering up for his own error.
Report Temlett January 21, 2011 12:27 PM GMT
Buddeliea,

It has little to do with his chances of making the grade over fences, but that comment about the Neptune win is way off.. It was a red very hot renewal.

You have mentioned Diamond Harry.
Karabak is a grade 2 winning hurdler.
China Rock is a grade 2 winning chaser.
Kockaara Beau has been a little disappoiinting but is still useful.
The Nightingale is a Grade 2 winning chaser.
Realt Dubh is a Grade 1 winning chaser.
Mad Max is a Grade 1 winning chaser.
Report Temlett January 21, 2011 12:27 PM GMT
red or very take your pick!
Report ChildOfMine2 January 21, 2011 12:41 PM GMT
Yep, hopefully Mikael can show he's back to his best in the Moriarty. Willie was on Get On earlier and said that that its all systems go for Feb 6th!
Report buddeliea January 21, 2011 12:41 PM GMT
Karabak is a grade 2 winning hurdler.
China Rock is a grade 2 winning chaser.
Kockaara Beau has been a little disappoiinting but is still useful.
The Nightingale is a Grade 2 winning chaser.
Realt Dubh is a Grade 1 winning chaser.
Mad Max is a Grade 1 winning chaser.

Lot of poor grade 2's there,and not that convinced on the standard of the Grade 1's either.None of that lot can i see being top notch,certainly not in the way some people are bigging up Mikd anyway.
Report buddeliea January 21, 2011 12:43 PM GMT
Think we can get a bit carried away with the Graded race thing,a lot of them aint that good imo,especially the ones on cr&p ground in Ireland.
Report Temlett January 21, 2011 12:54 PM GMT
They can big up Mikael all they want. At present he just ensures that there can be better value on other horses.

His jumping out to the right (has done it many times) is a major cause for concern.

He has plenty to prove at the moment, despite the solid look (you disagree) to his hurdle form.
Report buddeliea January 21, 2011 1:00 PM GMT
I agree it has a solid look,no getting away from that.But when i have a real good look at those Races tied in with the Neptune,i honestly dont see real top notch stuff,i really dont.Certainly not enough to justify some of the things i read about Mikd.
Each to their own though,after all we are betting against one another,cant all agree!! I do accept i may be wrong and he could justify everything written about him,i just aint so sure as some seem to be that his form is as good as it appears to be..
Report ChildOfMine2 January 21, 2011 1:06 PM GMT
He's had one bad run in his whole career and people are writing him off. Very harsh in my opinion!
Report CVByrne January 21, 2011 1:24 PM GMT
bud  if mikael hadn't slipped in landing on his first run he's have won. Then it is fair to think he may have bounced last time out. So he clearly deserves his chance to show his worth on his next run.

I don't get your dislike for the horse, he's big odds for the rsa and arkle, it's not as if he's a fav or anything.
Report neill d January 21, 2011 3:49 PM GMT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ agree whole heartedly, Big Bucks pissed on TFR and I don't rate anything he's beaten either, Look at the horses behind MD when he won the Ballymore in 2009, Karakak, Diamond Harry, Mad Max et al
Report neill d January 21, 2011 3:51 PM GMT
Think I'm agreeing with something which has dissapeared, also MD kicked Cousin Vinny's arse who would have kicked Pandoramas arse if he'd stood up.
Report CVByrne January 21, 2011 4:32 PM GMT
Mik did hammer panorama also that season. Which prompted meade to tell mullins that mik was his best novice. Telling him he knows how good realt dubh is and he knows how good this fella (pando) is,, so you're lad must be a helluva horse.

We shall see.
Report unclepuncle January 21, 2011 4:52 PM GMT
MDH was a very exciting and top class prospect and his novice hurdle form was superb no matter which way you want to argue it.
Report buddeliea January 21, 2011 5:14 PM GMT
CV,i dont dislike any horse,thats not what i am saying at all.i just dont think his form justifies the stuff i read about him,thats all really,bit like others think about other horses.He was a good novice,i aint saying he werent,but imo still has some way to go to prove he is as good as some say he is.
I sometimes get a tad annoyed with some of the stuff i read about Nicholls horses as well that imo still have it to prove.
Maybe i am the only one that thinks that Mullins and Nicholls horses tend to get people going a bit overboard about them,if so,well i can live with that.
Report neill d January 21, 2011 5:17 PM GMT
Indeed he did CV I'd forgotten, Pando was odds on that day as well
Report CVByrne January 21, 2011 9:59 PM GMT
I agree, he gets a lot of press bud. You're right that it's linked to the amount of money he won for many at Cheltenham and the belief he could be a star chaser, something we've been missing since Kicking King. He may well be that yet. Enough has been said about him, best wait and see if he can beat his stable mate in a couple of weeks.
Report buddeliea January 22, 2011 6:39 AM GMT
Fair enough mate,
Think i need to chill out a bit re Mullins etc.
Report eric_morris January 22, 2011 7:40 AM GMT
Is Mullins being totally straight on running plans here. He is saying Mikael goes for the Moriarty then in the next breath he has said Quel Esprit goes for the Moriarty. Is Mikael already destined for hurdles or is he really intending to run both in the Moriarty? We know he was meant to have 2 in the Irish Arkle until withdrawing QE late.
Report sintonian January 22, 2011 9:36 AM GMT
You've done your cash (as illustrated on this thread) by backing MDH for the Arkle in March anyway Eric. Time to let this one go tbf
Report sintonian January 22, 2011 9:36 AM GMT
fancy that challenge or still going to wimp out ?
Report Temlett January 22, 2011 2:12 PM GMT
Willie may not have decided running plans and is under no obligation whatsoever to openly disclose them.
If I was the owner I would insist that Willie keeps plans to himself and the person that pays the bills.
Report eric_morris January 22, 2011 2:23 PM GMT
I have combis on the Arkle with big prices for quite a few easily beating the current market .. unlucky once again thicko.

I dont do challenges other than to win money. If things go to plan you may hear of this come March and not from me. That is the only challenge I do and dont have anything to prove to anyone on here. I also dont care what anyone thinks about me so sod off and stalk someone else clown.
Report eric_morris January 22, 2011 2:24 PM GMT
Not the old pays the bills boring sh1t. Maybe punters should never bet again and tough for all the trainers who give disinformation/lack of information as their stables crumble due to lack of funding in racing from the punter.
Report Temlett January 22, 2011 2:49 PM GMT
Yes it is absolutely the owner's entitlement to know everything about the horse and if the owner wants the information kept secret then the trainer should be obliged to do so.I am sure you never attend a meeting (or very rarely) and put very very little into the game.

Close to the time, then yes he should let people know.

However he should not be forthcoming with information all season and outlining every plan, just to facilitate the building of person's ante post portfolio (real or fictitous).

Mr Ricci however seems to be very forthcoming with information when he is interviewed, so the lack of info with regard to Mullins horses seems to be entirely the trainers decision.
Report eric_morris January 22, 2011 2:50 PM GMT
At the end of the day connections need to be reasonable with punters or else many will be drivenm away from the sport. Now there is massive competition from other sports I dont think you or industry people whether it be administrators, trainers, courses can say stuff the punter it is my business because they are in the entertainment/sports industry where marketing is incredibly important for the future of what many see as an ageing sport.
Report eric_morris January 22, 2011 3:16 PM GMT
Also your post completely misses the mark. We are talking about being forthcoming and straightforward about planned targets what if someone is planning a journey just to see their favourite horse and ends up not attending the races (which you may fictitiously attend or not also). The owners are entitled to more information on their horses chances I agree but targets should not be stated unless they intend running when they say it.
Report GI MAC January 27, 2011 6:25 PM GMT
Does anyone find it rather strange he's been entered in The Arkle and the RSA but not the new 2m4f race? Makes little sense why they would not eneter him.
Report alexmillwall January 27, 2011 8:29 PM GMT
trainers/owners dont see any prestige in the race, winning it is not on most the old skools agenda. I really cant see him going for the arkle so lets hope he stays up in the moriety then rsa here he comes. TFR looks like hes on steroids but he'll be a bottom half grade 1 horse if he is one, and very beatable
Report GI MAC January 27, 2011 9:05 PM GMT
Aye, maybe. The fact he's entered in The Stayers in case his chasing doesn't work out does make you think the RSA will be his likely target.

Pity, I backed him for The Arkle  Sad
Report Catch Me ifyoucan March 2, 2011 6:50 PM GMT
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