Eiteen Thirtythree...

i agreed with all until the last sentence Denman he ain't !!

Isnt it
1833

Not a bad cider!!!

dont think hes that great to be honest. race fell into his arms. henderson horse ran no sort of a race and proved before he is better and i think tell massini would have beaten him

I think he could be a great horse. RSA be perfect for him -

Still a baby apparently but very impressive today. He did run down his fences in the staright but that was tiredness and lack of company. It was a brave move to take on Tell Massini from the start as TM liked to lead and could never get past the winner. We will never know who would have won if TM had not fallen but I think 1833 would still have won. Michel le Bon won just as easily last year though and didn't progress.

ive always thought this horse could be vcery high class chaser

sageform michel le bon has not ran since

Impressive.

i dont think he will win a class 3 novice next time out under  a penalty. im not trying to be provocative but i think the reason lots of ppl think this lad is great is bcos of hype. nicholls thought sang bleu was the next big thing too. i consider him to be a lucky class 3 winner and nothing else

i still think nicholls though alfie was by far the better but alfie in the process of being ruined by jonjo

Funny aint it,i werent that impressed with him.Think he would have won anyway,but looked a bit too fecked at the end for my liking.Not for me as antepost bet,thats for sure.

not even seent he race me i dont need to i already knew he was a very decent horse . gonna watch it in a min

Reckon he'll go off a short price in the 2011 Welsh National [:p]

dan, never stops amazing me what good old jonjo can turn into a dog

yes i was thinking a race like that . looks a real strong stayer

I remember a couple years ago and nicholls said 1833 was going to be top chaser,been waiting a long time him to make his chase debut.  I backed him for the rsa this morning and had to back him at newbury today when 7/1 was available as i was expecting around 3/1-4/1. (sorry to aftertime)

and im sorry you backed him for the rsa. i think he was the third best horse in the field

So he wins a race by 17 lengths and then is claimed to be the 3rd best in the race.

just my opinion. best horse fell, second best who already beat him whilst giving him weight clearly wasnt at the races... excuse the pun

Cant see this doing much.   Looks a bit soft to me

cant wait till his next run personally. il b layin till the cows come home and cant imagine hes goin t be too big  either

I was told about this horse before it even ran a race under rules by a very reliable person. No matter what anyone says he has not lived up to what they thought he was going to be. They named him after their cheese company which tells a story in itself he was seriously well thought of. I think he will excel over jumps but he does not have the high class hurdle form for me to be getting too excited at the moment. He does have a look about him though that he hasn't really grown up and might just need even more time to strengthen up. He has definitely got the potential to be a nice horse but I couldn't compare him with Denman and for me the RSA could send him backwards.

Such a shame for TM, a lovely looking horse.

1833 impressive today, gorgeous type of horse. looks like he'll be far better over fences, though i take today's form with a pinch of salt.

Btw, if Alfie was a superstar, why did PFN let him go for 110k? peanuts....

If you think backing a horse at 80's and being able to lay it at 34 is a poor move then good luck, if i had been a bit smarter then 150+ was around.

Be There In Five already had already beaten 1833 over hurdles but 1833 beat that opponent a long way on their chasing debuts, I know their is a long way to go but that was a pretty good debut in very testing conditions.

carver alfie has had setback after setback. and nicholls tried getting him back but was outbid

Yes, i know he's been hard to keep right, but if he thought there was masses left he'd not have been outbidded at 110k surely, which suggests jonjo may not have a great horse left to 'ruin'

a 110k purchase should not be beaten 16 lengths in a class 4 chase

i can probably name 50 that have RDS, particularly when they are not ready to win. 110k aint a lot for a horse these days

Nice aftertiming Ibrahim.

I thought the horse looked a decent prospect in the making. Gangly individual with plenty of improvement to come which is probably why the Trainer has already sounded the warning bells about the RSA. He doesn't look ready for it just yet imo.

ive made my mind up that this fella could well win a gold cup one day and maybe next years henessy . nicholls seems unbelievably sweet on him . and he stills ays hes just a little baby .

well dan, hows it goin. do you know if exeter is going to be on? can wait to see royal charm

doubt it mate . and i wouldnt want roiyal charm to run a yard over 2 miles at the moment . how impressive was diamond harry some performance that .

nice alright. good idea to bowl along infront i thought. id say if more did similar then they could have finished much closer. good place to be as denners proved in years gone by

sandown now if not called off. fckin snow

Spoke to Paul immediately after the race at Newbury. Very pleased as he really rates the horse but this is the first time he has had him right due to shins etc. Still a baby, could be very good next year.

Entered at newbury on saturday.

hope he runs better than last time,thought he were going to collapse on the run in.

At last, was thinking he'd be off the track until the Hennessy.

So did i, the 33/1 was short for the 2012 hen.

but now he is less than 30 for the rsa.

Rsa bound?

PN said earlier in the season that the rsa wouldnt be a certain target, i have not read anything today yet.

Backed him today, he occasionally jumps deliberately, I'd give him more time and target next seasons Hennessey or a nice mark, even though this years RSA doesn't look the best.

of a nice mark rather......., still seems a bit of a baby.

he was rated 150 before today wasnt he ?, seems a bit high for one novice win.

Whether the Cheltenham Festival is part of Ainteen Thirtythree's agenda depends on trainer Paul Nicholls' powers of persuasion as he said: "I've always thought the world of him. I think he'd have an outstanding chance in the RSA but Paul [Barber, owner] isn't keen, so I've got to persuade him.

"Time ForRupert is good but you should never be afraid of one horse. He gallops and gallops and jumps. He loves Cheltenham.

"I've backed him at 33-1 for the Hennessy. I think he'll be brilliant there."

looks a real stayer to me,need further than 3m on the 2 runs i have seen.maybe if its soft he could figure in the RSA,but i can see him well outpaced on good,good-soft ground.

oh right didn't realise he was that high, have a feeling he'll be RSA bound in that case though a contested lead and livelier ground will make things tougher, I could still see him in the shakeup, will have to jump better though

Took 20/1 for RSA and have gone in again at 14's. Unlikely to have been fully wound up today. Time was only 0.63secs slower than the Aon chase, and he was eased down - Noland, What A Friend and Fair Along were ridden right out - he carried 7lb more than Noland and Fair Along, 3lb less than What A Friend.

they are all either has beens,or in WAF's case-never will be.TFR would p!ss all over them,same as he will p!ss all over 1833.imo of course!!

Watch the two races side by side, will tell you all you need to know. ;-)

What a dire Aon and Game Spirit today you would struggle to remember worse fields imo.

Nice horse this, gorgeous looking, jumps great, gallops... Given a soft lead, beat a slow horse who cannot jump. Not going to make all the RSA IMO.

The 3 in the Aon finished in a bunch showing all 3 to be average imo, well below top class, What A Friend seems to have regressed.

Eric - spot on IMO. Exciting race, wonderful seeing Noland back, utterly meaningless for Cheltenham.

Noland is too slow to win over anything other than a trip and not good enough to win a G1 now. What a Friend is particularly ordinary, won poor G1's last yr, has a massive kink in him and needs a good jockey (or a great one in Ruby) on him. Throw the tape of that race straight into the bin.

Off topic, I know....

Really impressed with 1833 today. I have followed him over a cliff because I was told how good he was from his p2p days. He really has been a dissapointment up to this season and I think he has just needed to grow up. He is extremely progressive and I couldn't rule him out of winning anything in the next few years in the 3 mile division. Tbh I never thought he could be a Hennessey candidate but he could be just that!

Slow boat imo,but there yer go!!

Another good antepost bet @ 38/1

35/1 here CV not sure he's certain to run but Nicholls seems keen!

Stewart part owns the horse and he said prior to Christmas - when his next race was supposed to be the the Feltham - that this race would tell them if he was good enough for the RSA. If Nicholls is now onboard then the RSA seems pretty certain to me.

I have my doubts he's good enough so might lay my stake back at the sp.

Barber not that keen I don't think. Laying off is for wimps

He will need to run well to beat Time for Rupert though!

I learnt my lesson from last year, had what can only be described as a wet dream of antepost books, then one by one they were turned over, Dunguib, Captain Cee Bee, Go Native, Bensalem, Quel Esprit, Long Run.......

I'm laying off some of my stakes thats for sure.

I should probably follow you tbf. Please don't mention Long Run I backed him all year before he had even run in this country

cant believe I didnt snaffle the 42s on here at xmas ffs

Stop say 1833 is a slowboat [>o]

Then again their were people saying Burton Port was a slowboat.

Nichols just wants a runner in therace, he would have 3 in every race if the owners agreed towards his trainers title efforts even though it may not be the right thing for his horses.

A quartet of leading chances from Paul Nicholls' stable put in some good work this morning

We took four of our big Festival guns for a racecourse gallop this morning, and they all fired nicely.

They all worked over 2m, going a nice steady gallop, then quickening up in the final furlong.

Denman (Sam Thomas) worked with Big Buck's (Harry Skelton), and Poquelin (Ian Popham) worked with Ghizao (Nick Scholfield).

All four went nicely, but it was not a serious gallop. It was just a nice trip out for them.

I revealed Denman had a soft palate operation here last night and the reason why we gave him that was to give him every possible chance of winning at Cheltenham.

And he went well this morning, and luckily that put Paul Barber, watching the gallop, in a good mood.

So I think I am winning the battle to run Aiteen Thirtythree in the RSA Chase at the Festival!

Not sure there is a battle now Aiteen 33 has been given a handicap mark of 159.....here's hardly going to be chucked in in the Hennessy

He's only 2lbs below Time For Rupert and if they've been backing him to win a Hennessy this far back then he surely has a great chance in an RSA.

I could have 5 backed that run in the RSA

I'd be staggered if this really was a 159 horse at this stage.

Does seem harshly handicapped for a horse that has won in small fields, albeit impressively.

He could be rated above 170+ if wins the rsa by a long way.

Visually very impressive, spectacularly built, rangey, scopey. A lovely staying galloper. 159? I almost choked on my cornflakes yesterday. Time and again the handicapper (IMO!) goes mad on novice chasers.

He could not have won his 2 chasers more impressively. He may turn out to be a 159 horse or higher but so far he has beaten Voramar 2, who has looked less than enthusiastic twice since (I dont think he wanted to win at Chepstow) and Be There in Five, who has not advertised the form.

He then beat Tarablaze who surely did not show his true running, making repeated erors before being eased and 11 yr old Flight Leader who made errors and has not won since 2007! I am sure 1833 is a nice horse, probably well above average, but this rating on all known form looks a bit exalted to me.

100% agree Carver, good horse that's it, place only bet for RSA in my opinion

The handicapper just got it wrong on his chase debut, 150 was crazy for beating 3 other horses on testing ground considering his hurdle form.

That is why I am a bit suspicious as well Ibrahima. He was tried and tested over timber, and while always sure to be much better over fences, this rating looks a bit high a bit quickly. He better be good (I'm sure he is) because not many horses win a Hennessy of marks in the high 150s.

*off

What is Weapons Amnesty rated?

152

No, that's not right...that is his chase mark according to RacingPost site but it was also his mark going into last year's RSA and would obviously have gone up as a result of that

I thought so. Does the handicapper know what he's doing? Hennessey winner 2011? [:x]

Looks like Nicholls is going to sneak in The Minack late, probably after he convinces Barber on running Aiteen Thirtythree first.

Oh ok thaks duncan idaho. Where can you get the OR's?

BHA website is best IMo -

http://www.britishhorseracing.com/resources/media/ratings/

R Carver thanks.

Weapons Amnesty is an Irish horse so will only get a chase mark in England when he runs in 2 chases.

Weapons is different class to 1833.
WA looks like a racehorse with Gold Cup potential the other,so far in my eyes a horse with maybe Welsh National potential,further the better for 1833.

Daryl Jacob looks like picking up the exciting ride on Aiteen Thirtythree in Wednesday's RSA Chase at Cheltenham.

Earlier in the day part-owner Andy Stewart had hoped Ruby Walsh would be on board but trainer Paul Nicholls, speaking at a Paddy Power-sponsored preview after racing at Sandown, revealed that Walsh was more likely to be on Mikael D'Haguenet.

Walsh partnered Willie Mullins' chaser to victory at the Festival in 2009 and it appears a partnership he wants to keep intact.

"I think Ruby is going to ride Mikael D'Haguenet. It's one we've still got to sort out, but he's won on him before and I think Willie would like him to ride. If he does then Daryl Jacob will ride Aiteen Thirtythree," said Nicholls.

In other jockey bookings, Walsh was confirmed for Sam Winner in the JCB Triumph Hurdle, with Jacob the beneficiary on exciting prospect Zarkandar.

"Ruby will ride Sam Winner in the Triumph with Daryl on Zarkandar, Harry Skelton will ride Brampour," added the champion trainer.

Just ride him like he rode Diamond Harry in the Hennessey.

I've just been told that Walsh will ride him in the RSA.

reliable source?

Yes. They've told me Walsh rides him and that he's strongly fancied. I don't really fancy it but, as I've not backed anything, I've had a small interest at 9-1. I prefer a more battle hardened horse for this race but over the past 2 days they've named 5 winners, one of which was Walsh's winner at Sandown yesterday. They've also recommended I back Poquelin at 5-2 for the Ryanair but I'm on at 9-2 so don't need to do that.

oh, its that type of info... guessers[:p]

Guessers if you like but good guessers if they are. I've had info from them for a while now and wouldn't keep taking it if it was crap.

looks a natural and jumps his fences very confidently, while time for rupert just fiddles round for me. I rated tell massini very highly and he was giving him a hell of a race before he fell.think he'll be there at the death because of his jumping although the thing that might worry me is that his times have been quite slow. (graeme rodway from the trading post thinks he needs 6 miles.)

if i had him id let him out front, get a good sight of his fences and try gallop them into the ground

the owner of Poquelin on GetOn yesterday morning basically said he was a certainty, as the horse has ''improved loads'' and''we have him much,much,better''. He said he is more confident than Big Bucks. FWIW

P.S I took 3/1

No doubt Poquelin's last run was his best on ratings and always better fresh on good ground. Just a nagging doubt he wasn't at his best in this race last year.