What Have We Learned (About the RSA) This Weekend ?

Time For Rupert will win it, believe me.

that is cocky

what i posted wasn't

I can put that stuff because I know more than you so be quiet, you are boring me now.

Just saw the Big Bucks thread, had no idea you are a wind up merchant, apologies.

Wind up,cocky,or whatever,Mayweather is right when he says punchestowns has jumping problems,he crttainly did in the RSA.TFR on the other hand looks a natural,and i find it hard to see him beat in March.

mik the dag got his number

Mikael won't be going for the rsa. Well it's looking unlikely given he's  entered over 2m again.

Also Long Run and Punchestown looked to  have the RSA between them last season and got beat.

It's my opinion that when you want to back a short priced fav for a race you need to find and focus on the negatives.

In the chase of TFR we have some good horses in jessies dream and quel esprit he has yet to face.

Mikeal D'Haguenet doesn't look the same horse to me to which he was before he got the injury. His action towards the last two fences looked awkward when he fell against Jessie's Dream. I hope he comes back but I have my doubts.

Punchestowns was wrong before the RSA Chase and should never have run. He picked up an injury two weeks before the race and ran terrible on the day after being heavily backed throughout the day.

Long Run must have been doing something serious at home to make Mick Fitz change his mind from Punchestowns to Long Run. I have a feeling Long Run is the real deal but I also think the Gold Cup trip is a problem for him.

I would run both him and Punchestowns in the Ryanair Chase and hope they run their races, because if they do they are the horses to beat. They are very classy in my opinion.

Mikael slipped on landing at fairyhouse, he was unlucky. He bounced two weeks later at leopardstown. We should find out lots on his next run.

Long Run should skip Cheltenham. They should take care of the horse. He is  better on a flat track and could go for the grade one at  aintree. But he'll end up running in the gold cup I'd say. 6yo in a gold cup is a bad bad idea.

I understand that Mikeal slipped on landing and he would def have won in my opinion against Jessies Dream but I think they had him near enough spot on for that day. Do you not think he was travelling funny after swinging for home? I have a bad feeling he's not the same horse. I backed him at VC to win any race at Cheltenham at 6/1 but I am worried for the horse now.

i agree with CVB- RSA pls mr mullins

Well he has stayed on well in his last two races on soft/heavy over 19f and 18f.

He probably doesn't have the speed for the supreme and the presence of cue card and Zaidpour would also deter from the supreme.

Below post should be in the shot from the hip thread

Mikael spot in that day after what 600 days off the track. Don't be daft. He was not at his best and it was his  chasing debut too, in a grade one.

Quantitativeeasing just won and somebody please remind me what Time For Rupert did to him??? lol. Thank you. The RSA Chase is there for Time For Rupert to win as long as he turns up in his usual form. He doesn't even need to  improve to win it.

You can't honestly rate that win today? His only rival won a class 4 race and blundered badly today at the 9th. It was a rubbish race. That is no form boost.

TFR beat Chicago Grey by 8l, he was beaten 5l by Bostons Angle hardly ireland's best rsa hope.

CV - Are you trying to tell me Time For Ruperts form isn't strong? Lay me some 4/1 if you dare?

I don't lay horses at odds against. What I'm saying is with favourites you need to pick on the negatives in their form. If you find yourself struggling to find negatives then that in itself is a positive.

Time For Rupert has been impressive. But I believe his serious rivals will come from ireland. Horses he hadn't faced.

The only form between the two countries is Chicago Grey, easily dismissed by both Rupert and Bostons Angel.  Isn't that true?

I agree CVB, at the moment i wouldnt pick a horse with a better chance than Rupert as has been most impressive and has course form. however, didnt think was certain to win before Mr Thriller fell (not ideal distance i know) and hasnt beaten anything noteworthy (correct me if im wrong) other than Chicago Grey, who was running in its 10th race of 2010 and is meant to be aimed at the 4 miler.... would expect at least one decent irish sort to give it a proper challenge. not saying it qwill lose, but price is far too short

Yeah 11/4 is skinny. Especially as plenty of his opposition have only had one reve due to the weather

horses like The Minack from Nicholls yard havent even run yet, he said was one he was looking forward to and had schooled loads at home and should be challenging in top class staying novice chases. couldnt comfortably be on anything in single figures imo

Time For Rupert seems to have a lot going for him.He jumps very well,goes well at Cheltenham and stays well and has the speed to win at two and a half mile when he looked big and in need of the race.He had good hurdles form running second to Big Bucks in the 3 mile hurdle last year,beaten 3 lengths.Hells Bay endorsed his form last weekend.

agree entirely and if the race was run tomorrow he would be carrying my money, just saying imo the price is ridiculous when majority probably havnt even run yet, and hasnt actually beaten an out and out 3m chaser?

Agree with whitmarsh totally.
I dont see any negatives in him at all,all positive as far as i can see.

Can you touch him antepost at 11/4 though bud? He's a play on the day at this stage if anything.

NAP of festval for me. Could they be tempted by the Gold Cup....

yep,play on the day mate.Should have listened to my bruv,would have 10's!!
i would take 3 nrnb,but not 11/4 now.

Definitely have to back Time For Rupert on the day unless some new form comes to light but no value now with 8 weeks for things to go wrong. Wymott still the obvious danger in my book.

Well given his hurdles form he would have been a bet beofore jumping a fence or after his debut win.

CV - That's when i got on him, 12/1 and 10/1

well done May,thats when i should have.

I had fancy prices about Long Run and Captain Cee Bee last season. Good prices only matter if they win

not if you backed them E/W ;-)

Listen here, I will tell you all again, it seems you lot need a lot of head banging before you listen. TIME FOR RUPERT will win the RSA Chase!

i agree,but respect others opinions,and also know i may be wrong.
May,have you ever been wrong??

I don't respect only people's opinions when they pick rubbish! I am like Floyd Mayweather, I don't know how to lose. I am the main man, the No.1 so listen for a change.

BIG BUCKS will hack up in March and when he wins I will be going on holiday with my winnings.

Silver Kate boosts Wymotts form today

Skegness^ Nap

lol

Can't have Wymott winning the RSA.

I'm eager or Quel Esprit to have another run soon. I think he's the big danger in this race and still available at 20/1

i think peveril will be a major player and is overpriced .

lol

lol

learned that jessies wont be jumping well enough to win the rsa

He was only going half pace today, jumped really well against MDH last time. He will be placed in the RSA imo they werent leaving that race behind today. The worst thing you can do is back a strongly fancied novice in a Chelts prep in Ireland they aint going to be flat out to win.

tfr might be aimed at gold cup if he wins the argento on the 29th at cheltenham.

CANT BE HAVING TIME FIR RUPERT RUNNING IN THE GOLD CUP YET, MAYBE A YEAR OR 2 DOWN THE LINE , BUT ITS NOT NECCESARY FOR A YOUNG HORSE LIKE HIM TO BE RUNNING IN SUCH A HARD RACE ATM , THE GOLD CUP IS HIS FOR THE TAKING IN A YEAR OR 2 , BUT MORE EXPERIENCE AGAINST TOP NITCH CHASERS IS NEEDED BEFORE YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT RUNNING HIM IN THE GOLD CUP

http://www.attheraces.com/form.aspx?raceid=304648&meetingid=&date=2010-12-11&ref=form&refsite=

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LOOK AT THE FORM ,SORRY BOUT THE CAPS DIDNT REALISE UNTIL I HA FINISHED TYPING THIS

Remember all the talk of Mikael D'Haguenet a novice going for the Gold Cup? That seems long gone now the best way to ruin a novice is to up it to senior level too early. We have seen it many times before. Nowt wrong with the progress recently shown by Denman learning his trade amongst novices first winning the RSA before going on to beat Kauto the following year. Patience pays with decent novices.

Time For Rupert still the obvious one, but can't see him being shorter than 5/2 on the day unless the Irish are skint by then. The risk of any horse going wrong or getting sick in 8 weeks is about 1/3 so the double should be about 7/2 today.

Quel Esprit

Won't you lot listen to me? Time For Rupert will hack up! Quel Esprit will chase him home.

GORDON ELLIOTT confirmed on Monday that Jessies Dream will go straight to Cheltenham for the RSA Chase following his surprise defeat by Magnanimity in the three-runner Grade 2 Tote Pick Six Killiney Chase at Leopardstown on Sunday.

Magnanimity is heading back to Leopardstown for the Grade 1 Dr P J Moriarty Novice Chase on February 6 but Jessies Dream, who was beaten three-quarters of a length by the Dessie Hughes-trained seven-year-old, will not be renewing rivalry.

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Elliott said: "Jessies Dream was fine this morning. I think the Moriarty will come a bit too close to Cheltenham for our horse and we're going to give it a miss and train him for the festival.



"Sunday's race was messy and inconclusive and you'll see a better horse on better ground and in a bigger field with a stronger pace. We should get all of that at Cheltenham."

Jessies Dream was bidding for a hat-trick on Sunday, having got off the mark over fences at Galway in October before landing the Grade 1 Drinmore Novice Chase at Fairyhouse last month. The David Johnson-owned eight-year-old is a top-priced 16-1 for the RSA Chase.

Forget Jessies Dream. It has 15lb to find with Time For Rupert.

i do hope tfr runs in the rsa as am on myself ante-post just thought i'd post what is a possibility....if lining up can see him going off and doing a denman(short price/whole of cheltenham on/romps home)

You are on the right horse in the RSA Chase then gutfeeling. I do not think Time For Rupert is in the same league as Denman personally but he's still very, very good. If we went back a few years and put Denman in this year's RSA Chase he would win by half the track. Time For Rupert has a big engine and jumps well. I fancy him to look stronger the longer the race goes.

Just watch out for Quel Esprit. That's all I'll say. He has yet to lay down his claims due to the weather.

Quel Esprit is a serious animal. He is the horse I had £20 E/W on at 20/1 for this race at the start of the season. I backed him last year at 16/1 antepost for the Neptune but he fell otherwise would have won.

Time For Rupert first, Quel Esprit 2nd the rest nowhere! Yes CV - that includes you too lol

Time for Rupert is going for the pillar ( Argento) Chase at cheltenham and could be headed for the gold cup.

He would liven up the Gold Cup build up.Cannot see it myself,dont see the need for it at all,but then i dont see him working every day.
Interesting.

if tfr won the cotswold[argento] then could they resist going for the gold cup?

thats a good question..
personally i feel if it won the argento then they should head for the gold cup.

Folly even considering the GC imo. TFR is only 7 so still has 2 or 3 years to win the Gold Cup at his peak whereas he'll never have the chance to win the RSA again. They are clearly running scared Quel Esprit

I think it'd be nuts to enter TFR in the Gold Cup regardless of how impressive he may well be in his pre-Cheltenham trial. I've seen far better novices than him run in far weaker Gold Cups than the one in March, and they still get hammered. He's got his future ahead of him and the big three chasers will surely have had enough next year, so he'd have a far better chance then, with plenty of experience behind him. I can't see a counter-argument to this obvious reasoning.

Sorry is this the same Quel Esprit who has won 3 small races on heavy ground? And you're saying he would've won the Neptune against the 3rd fav for the Champion hurdle on decent ground, even though he was unsighted over 3 miles 3 days later (he was obviously fine, having only run 200 yards in the Neptune for WM to run him). And now he's going to win the RSA at Cheltenham on probable decent ground after beating Torphichen (I know it's not his trip but Torphichen is poor at best)? I think you've all gone a bit mad. Do you wake up with a hard on in the middle of the night after you've been dreaming of Willie Mullins?

and FWIW Peveril wins the RSA.

I hope that TFR does go for the RSA as I think that the Gold Cup is the wrong race for a good novice but if he does go for it, my Wymott AP bet would look a lot better.

CVByrne - are you thick? Were you brought up in a zoo or something? lol. Time For Rupert is running in the RSA, whether he wins the Argento Chase at Cheltenham or not. Mark my words you silly clown. You don't have a clue about horse racing. No wonder why you only backed 1 winner last year and that was Big Bucks, only because I made you back it lol

Gashboy,
You should be used to the hype surrounding Mullins horses,happens every year it seems!!
mikd,QE,Zaidpour etc etc etc.Not much form with any of those 3 mentioned this season,yet they are world beaters,makes me laugh to be honest.
I do try to ignore it,but that can be difficult at times!!

Buddeliea - you listen to the hype too, everybody does from time to time you muppet!

listen sometimes,its hard not to as i said,but no way do i bet cos of it.
If i fancy a horse thats it,dont give a monkeys who trains it.

A tad insulting there bud saying we're backing quel esprit, zaidpour and mikael because of hype.

You have to consider the prices mate. I had a bet matched at 46's on mikael for the arkle which could turn out to be huge odds. I've harped on about quel esprit since the beginning of last season as an rsa bet and placed it at 26 before he jumped a fence. If he wins his next two starts then he'll be second fav on the day.

Zaidpour at 9/1 is a fair bet for the supreme a race I'm done with already.

Do you remember 2009 and the hype horses hurricane fly, mikael d'haguenet and cooldine? Think the prices that were matched antepost on them.

Yeah we all just back mullins hype horses. No need to form opinions of our own.

ok CV,i take your points and i never said YOU back them cos of hype.But every year it seems that his horses keep getting banged on about,not sure the same would happen if eg these 3 were trained by someone else.I look at these 3 form this season and see no reason for some of the comments/accolades i am reading mate,no offence intended to your good self,i can assure you of that my friend.

I have no preference for any trainer or preference for irish horses. But it's inevitable that my knowledge of our horses is gonna be superior to that if english trained ones.

I haven't been to a track in england since the gold cup and an only going to the tuesday at chelts this year.

I have been big on big zeb, pandorama, joncol and go native none of whom are mullins horses.

When a trainer is really sweet on a horse you know 9/10 he's got a good one, and over here we're a little more discreet, plenty of trainers comments never make it to english media.

Mikael D'haguenet, Pandorama and Joncol three horses that their respective trainers said were class from the start have turned out that way. You'll only get the big odds once. That's all we need.

What a bunch of muppets lol

Quel Esprit entered  in a G2 over 3m at naas this weekend. His biggest test yet. He'll likely go for the pj moriarty over 2m5f grade one at the irish hennessy meeting then before cheltenham and punchestown.

I'll find out about him in the coming months.

lol CVByrne - you will only find out news when you read it on the websites - I bet you look like an Ostridge lol

well like i said,it was not directed at you,my comments about not betting cos of hype was just referring to me and not hinting that some do,although no doubt their are some out there that do.
I understand you have more knowledge of the Irish trained ones,fair enough,but it seems at times the confidence can go a bit far,guess its the famous Irish blarney!!
Also we do tend to have a lot of different opinions on how good certain form is and what we look for,so its going to cause a few disagreements,especially Irish against English syndrome.Healthy stuff though and if we can beat the bookie at the end of it,even better.

lol

We win our fair share of races at cheltenham and most of those winners were available at big prices antepost earlier in the season. I try to pick our best early.

Been burned before though, hurricane fly for the supreme and pandorama for last years rsa. Being recent two who had great chances.

Another boost for Wymotts Form...Adams Island wins giving weight to a few decent sorts ! Thats Silver Katie and Adams Island following up with wins !!!!


16-1 ew looks outstanding value

Wymott looked a great prospect fto and the 2nd win was criticised at first but it is certainly looking decent now and it was bad ground. I'm happy with my 16-1 Wymott. He hasn't been at the flash tracks like TFR but he's beaten decent horses and is a typical Hemmings type for this race. Peveril is another Hemmings staying chase type who is well priced. Looking forward to the RSA and Wymott in particular.

lol - ive I owned this forum I would have thrown all of you mugs off by now. You lost never listen and don't know anything about racing. The whole lot of you are mugs.

Hope your bets are better than your English :) Good luck with all your favourites.

Hussard - you really are a muppet lol. Someone said you were s**t at tipping. I told them you weren't even that good lol

Thanks for your kind and informative post. You are a huge asset to the forum. Hope you continue to post your valuable reasoned opinions of all the races at the festival. Keep backing all those favourites now Big Bucks to be made. All aboard the Mayweather gravy train system - back the favourite at the festival. Get rich quick. Do you have a subscription line Mayweather or do we get your wisdom for free. Anyway all through your poor spelling and bad grammer we get the drift that you are a Cheltenham specialist.

You've so much knowledge of the festival and letting us all in on it too. Thanks so much. Can you post all your bets so I can back all the winners in accumulators please.

Hussard - you are a muppet!

if warwicks on we will see peveril v wayward prince

Horrible re Peveril, highs and lows this game.

indeed ,dreadful fall today,rip

horrible...thoughts go out to all concerned and especially the groom who looked after my favourite horse.empty stable

According to his column in todays R.Post Mullins is thinking of running Quel Esprit in the Irish Arkle next weekend.This seems to be an unusual prep race for the RSA or is he changing his mind about what race to run it in at Cheltenham. Or is trying to get it jumping at quicker pace, knowing the pace at Cheltenham will be a lot quicker than 3 mile novice chases in Ireland.Thoughts please.

Shot in the dark here but Mullins said just before Xmas that Fiveforthree was fit and well and if the weather allowed he could be running soon.....now...it hasnt but assuming he's still fit and well.....he could well be Mullins' for the RSA although he'd have to had at least one prep run over fences and he did say he might well keep him over hurdles for another year.....I just think that given his class, Mullins may well be keeping him back to prime him for a big run.

Re Quel Espirit, Mullins never ran Cooldine over 3m before he won the RSA so he obvioulsy doesn't think  its totally neccesary

personally i stil think mikeal D will go for the rsa. havnt seen 543 entered anywhere recently which is a worry?? wat was 543 injury?

see what ur saying about quel espirit and cooldine and i know mullin always said he was going to b a staying chaser bt why did the run him in the neptunes last year. and he entered in a 2m4 race @ gowran thurs + entered in irish arkle. thats why i think he go for the new 2m5 race if i?????

Quel Espirit also entered for the Dj Moriarty Chase on Feb 6th - 2m 5f

Thanks for the opinions, makes a change to see a thread with replies that have no agenda or slagging off of the posters.

Can anyone tell me when the entries close for this race please?

Hmmm looks like Mikael will be rsa bound given he's been withdrawn from the irish arkle. Think I may have got mullins   wrong on this one.

Always thought Mikd a stayer,but their could be another reason for withdrawing him CV.

The much-vaunted Wymott is poised to reappear at Haydock on Saturday.

Unbeaten in two starts over fences, Donald McCain's seven-year-old is set to take his chance in the Grade Two Liverpool Echo Novices' Chase.

His performance in that two-and-a-half-mile contest may determine his future target at the Cheltenham Festival.

McCain said: "He is a classy horse and Saturday will be a good test for him, but let's not forget that he has only finished out of the first two once in nine races and has won over a range of distances.

"I am yet to decide which novice chase he will run in at Cheltenham, now that there is a two-and-a-half-mile option (Jewson Novices' Chase) as well as the RSA Chase."

cvbyrne- instead of saying a horse 'will be' going for a race pls say 'i think a horse will go for' as it really throws people off, especially as we have some people in the know on this forum. luckily im on for the rsa

alex,make your own mind up mate imo.He has always looked a stayer to me and obviously to you too,as you have backed him in RSA.Not sure about him myself,not sure he is as good as a lot think he is.