dunguib all over again - CUE CARD is a machine

dunguib wishes he was this good.

never was a fan of dunguibs slowly run novice days in ireland, that was a real race and the horse don't actually know it. This horse probably isnt hype.

Dunguib has a similar engine but the difference is that Cue Card can jump properly.

dont give up on dunguib.evryone was saying exactly the same last season about him 2 defeats and hes useless all of a sudden

its very very early he looks good but nicky henderson dident seem to worried on ruk earlier today

If you fancy Cue Card why on gods earth would you back it now....that form has already started to look less impressive and plenty to come out of the woodwork yet. It is Nov...3/1 what a joke

What form looks less impressive??????

18/11  Dear Sam beaten at 1/2 in £2700 Novices Hurdle.   7/11 Mr Moonshine beaten at 11/4 and getting 10 lbs in weight. Has he really beaten as much as we think? Visuallyy stunning but I am not sure any Champion bumper winner should be backed for the Supreme and what I do know is 3/1 is too short

hes beaten nothing even the crazy people who are backing him at 2/1 and raving about him know that hes beaten nothing and until the festival he,ll probably still of faced nothing

He could of beat Dear Sam by half the track if he wanted, anyone taking that at face value needs to give their head a wobble ... far more impressive than dunguib ever was, plus he jumps beautifully and hes only a baby.. come march will tell the tale...... THE NEW ARKLE..

Agree with Barton Bank.

like neesom said yesterday....the fact that dear sam was 2nd to cue card is incidental.....dunravens is a decent yardstick and he murdered him.....and even timeform reckon he's already achieved a mark 8lbs in excess of what would be needed to win an average supreme novices.

in the last 15 runnings of the supreme , only hors la loi had posted a higher figure.....and he's not another dunguib because at this stage of the season, dunguib was rated 136...cue card is rated 156!!!

Yep,here we go again!! People taking short prices for a novice race 4 months away.Just love it!!

ratings are only a persons opionion

this time last season people were saying exactly the same about dunguib nothing can beat him,new arkle, but he wasant good enough as ive sed before on a line through dunraven storm hes either regressed 20lb or dunraven has improved 20lb.we can sit and argue until cheltenham but thats when we will realy find out if hes the real deal

By: scoop6winner. When: 19 Nov 10 18:18 He could of beat Dear Sam by half the track if he wanted, anyone taking that at face value needs to give their head a wobble ... far more impressive than dunguib ever was, plus he jumps beautifully and hes only a baby.. come march will tell the tale...... THE NEW ARKLE..

Dear Sam got beat yesterday by a 12-1 Jefferson nag

By: buddeliea When: 19 Nov 10 19:42 Yep,here we go again!! People taking short prices for a novice race 4 months away.Just love it!!

bang on the money as usual buddelia!

Timeform's rating of CC was interesting: they are saying he is 8lbs better than an average SN winner. Well that makes Dunraven an average SN winner as he was beaten 8 lengths by the Cue Card. But if Clerk's Choice was still a novice, and he is the same age as Cue Card, he would "officially" be the best ever winner of the SN - well ratings wise he would be (if he was eligible and went on to win it).

We are either going to have the best SN ever or.... not?

Evening sawyer.. i seriously think that Clerks Choice rating is badly flawed, although his time was quick in his Cheltenham run, it was comparable to that of Starlucks the year previous.

the handicapper took the View that Barizan ran to its rating when beaten by clerks choice... this IMO was a mile of the mark having listened to reports that Barizan has not done a dot at home, upto his first run at cheltenham, and left the trainer seriously disappointed that he had regressed, so much so  that he will be going over fences, i am sure that tomorrows Hurdle races will start to tell some sort of story.

Ballydoyle you have got to move with the times... mark my words you will be eating yours...

on about short prices i had a monkey @ 16s you lemon im just topping up now....

ok....let's just say that he's a worthy favourite at this stage, shall we.

ballydoyle....in all seriousness, you can't use dear sam as a reason to knock cue card....scoop6 was already responding to someone noting that dear sam had been beat yesterday, and you said the same thing after....as he says...he could have beat that horse by half the track......and remember, a lot of argument against dunguib was his jumping, that doesn't appear to apply to cue card....so it's just, the 4 months away argument which is fair enough i suppose and something could come out of the woodwork.

so it's just, the 4 months away argument which is fair enough i suppose and something could come out of the woodwork.

exactly!!

Except something WILL come out of the woodwork,and maybe a few,its still very early.
Fair enough if anyone has double figure prices,but current price,no thanks.

That form is just getting better by the day....Dear Sam, Mr Moonshine and noe Dunraven all beaten wen favourites....why that does not raise doubts is beyond me!!!!! Come on chaps

was dunravens third run inside 25 days. clearly didnt run to form.

what has dear sam got to do with anything? he won the private race that took place behind cue cards hack canter at aintree.

fact you even mention mr moonshine is just barrel scraping.

Ballydoyle you have got to move with the times... mark my words you will be eating yours...

I'll look forward to that....

or a fact

to clarify a pretty obvious point...if you win easily, like Cue card and then the horse you have beaten go on to win the concluion is the form is rock solid and you may be special. What barrel do you scrape because it isnt one full of logic!

lovely boost from dunracen who is a 120 horse at best 150 for him is a joke these inflated ratings are becoming a joke.dont get me wrong cue card genuine 135 horse

and thats before we even mention clerks choice 162

Not a chance Dunraven Storm ran to form yesterday

Talking now about going for the Intl Hurdle at Chelt (Old Bula) next in against battle hardended horses...certainly a gamble going in at deep end this early.

Maybe they are thinking about a crack at the Champion Hurdle - only one way to find out.

Should be thinking long term rather than going in at the deep-end only 3rd time up over obstacles.

well if hes as good as u lot say he is he,ll win on the bridle wont he

Well he will be up against at least one hot one there if he goes -

SILVINIACO CONTI, the most improved and exciting young hurdler in training, is likely to have his Champion Hurdle claims put to the test when clashing with Menorah in the Stan-James.com International Hurdle at Cheltenham next month.

The French-bred, unbeaten in five starts, was quoted as low as 10-1 for the Champion Hurdle following an exhilarating performance in the Coral Hurdle three days ago.


Afterwards, his trainer Paul Nicholls intimated Silviniaco Conti was likely to be have a rest and be put away after three races in quite quick succession since his arrival from Guillaume Macaire.

But on Monday the trainer said he felt he had little option but to let him have a crack at the best around in the £150,000 festival stepping-stone on December 11, although he stressed he has yet to finalise the plan with the four-year-old's owner Jared Sullivan.

"The Bula, as I still call it, will tell us the time of day," said Nicholls. "If he wins there, we'll know for sure we have a Champion Hurdle prospect on our hands; and if he isn't as effective over two miles, we know we can wait for the Aintree Hurdle over an extra half-mile."

..sorry 2 hot ones .. last years Supreme winner Menorah who just won the Greatwood off 11st 12lb (a la Rooster Booster) and recent wide margin Coral Hurdle winner Silviniaco Conti.

They'd have to be mad to take on these 2 at this stage.