What did we learn this weekend?

What's a None stayer???? Your Ante Post Portfolio??

Our Vic patently didnt stay in the RSA but he stayed well enough to beat Kauto off levels.

Our Vics racing record is on a different planet to those two animals ive mentioned though....

Turnip Green?

His strike rate would be about the same as Truckers and SR combined after their respective Gold Cups

Anyone who cant see a horses ideal conditions shouldnt be betting antepost for their own good imo. If you take a race in isolation the relative merits of all horses can differ drastically to another trip/going/course.  You really need to stop being ignorant of this fact. I laid off Kauto double with BBucks as I knew the conditions would not suit him at all on the track/trip/going he struggles most on. Think even if he'd stood up Turnip Green would have beaten him if in the race.

LOL, The dummy has come out now

The Horses i mentioned ideal conditions were usually in a field of slow horses

Strange reply Ithink you dont have an answer and wish to remain ignorant on that obvious fact repeated throughout the history of racing. No dummy here , think you are the one came on here with you dummy in if you read back

The only bet you posted up earlier that season involved Walkon/Zaynar in a treble with the above two horses, still the forum has been used to excuses and aftertiming on your account.

I dont see a point in commenting on a horse that wasnt even in the race

New Credit card needed imo

Have you just come on this thread to have a private conversation with me or do you have anything to contribute. 2 stalkers netted though not a bad catch.

Ah the fishing get out clause. Don't think anyone learned anything this weekend though

Well it appears you just came on here for a private conversation ... cant see you've contributed to the discussion much here. I would suggest you block me the forum allows that ... however I know you wont as you know I get it right more often than others on here and cant help but take a peek.

Mmmmm, i think its due to the Entertainment value Kirkybabes, everyone's a winner

There are people who just like arguing and you fall into that category imo. I'm off more interesting things to do than that.

Only with people with a big Ego and who are unable to laugh at themselves on the odd occasion

22 Nov 10 08:49 Sageform: Woolcombe Folly impressed me most of any horses this weekend. And again today.

Cue Card has the Supreme at his mercy

Time For Rupert is a smashing horse (always underrated him previously, not any more)

That Eric Morris is king of the cowards, aftertiming aplenty once again. No wonder he had to open a new account.

Sad thing is, he thinks people dont realise.

Agreed on both accounts FFT.  Rupert has a great engine, just not as good as Big Bucks'

Woolcombe Folly, Master Minded and Big Zeb the only credible candidates for the QM at this stage.
Cue Card and Golden Chieftain seemed to me to blow up badly today. Colin Tizzard admitted that they missed a weeks work when his gallop was frozen. Can be very important at this level.
Menorah impressed me as a CH horse for the first time today. Don't know why but I thought he only scrambled home from Bothy in the Greatwood but looked the business today. Poquelin seems to save his best for this day so be careful of backing him again this season. Time For Rupert looks the real deal. I want to se Wymott again though.

Sage, Nick williams said the same thing re Reve yesterday, that he'd not had a gallop for two weeks due to frozen wood chip gallops.

Menorah scrambling home could have something to do with the wight he was conceding, will be interesting to see how both Bothy & Manyriverstocross run in the Ladbroke next weekend.

sintonian you must have a major inferiority complex going on judging by your posts. I posted on the main forum I had Menorah in a treble to win over 3k today and only posted it as someone started the thread also having a treble for a similar amount going on Silviniaco Conti. Deal with it man I hope you also had a good day. My Festival combis are getting really exciting after todays results.

Agree on Wymott he was entered today shame he didnt run. Mikael D'Haguenet also yet to come out very exciting times and what a taster today for the Festival.

sorry eric, but you are chatting to fellow punters, and people who bet regualry. There is no need to aftertime, tbf.

I rarely bet day of race especially on trials where I have an antepost interest but just couldnt resist the prices on offer today.

I know you couldn't, after the results were in. Well done that man, he's a genius.

If I hadnt laid off it was 4k ... not a great move when I posted up my thoughts BEFORE the race on Menorah on here. I'll find it and post it up how I thought the race would go.

you cant fool fellow punters I'm afraid Eric.

Here we are lad. Now stop being a control freak with the forum people can post what they want especially when it gives punters the benefit of nearly 3 decades of antepost experience [:happy

Re Silviniaco Conti


eric_morris
Date Joined: 27 Jun 10 Add contact | Send message When: 22 Nov 10 21:09

Nicholls weakest area is 2 mile hurdlers so this one has been thrust upon him dont expect too much from him.


Re Menorah

eric_morris
Send message When: 01 Dec 10 12:45

Menorah could be bursting a couple of bubbles here imo.

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red and white
Send message When: 28 Nov 10 10:00

Cue Card set to run in the Bula. Happy days.

eric_morris
Send message When: 28 Nov 10 10:26

Happy days if you dont mind him being stuffed by Menorah.

red and white
Send message When: 28 Nov 10 10:38

We'll see. Just hope the race is on. I do think the younger horses are the ones to follow for the big hurdle races this year.

eric_morris
Send message When: 28 Nov 10 11:41

What exactly has Menorah done wrong doing a Rooster Booster carrying 11st 12lb to victory in the Greatwood and has already won the Supreme?


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eric_morris
Send message When: 08 Dec 10 08:35
Menorah needs a fast pace and Silviniaco Conti should provide that. Sit in behind with Cue Card, Silv may not shake both off then when they quicken up Cue Card's hurdling under pressure is tested for the first time and he could easily make a mistake because if any horse can battle them out of it, it is Menorah. Menorah can make the odd mistake but he has proven he can recover from them whereas a novice hits one and the chances are they will lose their rhythm or reduce to empty very quickly in a high class race.

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eric_morris
Send message When: 11 Dec 10 10:18
Cue Card has beaten nothing of the order of what he is facing today and he just did what you'd expect last time against inferior opponents. Really surprised he is fav as there is no guarantees he is good enough to win this years Supreme yet and here he is up against last years excellent Supreme winner and battle-hardened Menorah. Silviniaco has the disadvantage of the drop back in trip but is arguably the biggest danger to Menorah here.


eric_morris
Send message When: 11 Dec 10 10:27
That was an amazing run by Menorah first time out, when the heads go down he is the last to be raising his ... Cue Card wont have met his like before. Menorah the biggest danger to Binocular the Champion Hurdle imo... does need a strong pace hopefully pacemaker today will do its job.

You are right fellow punters fread the above BEFORE the race and are not fooled.

.. by you, you insecure weirdo.

Cue Card will not even run in the CH. It's got to be the Supreme. End of. Menorah was impressive but it won the way I thought it should. A Supreme/Greatwood winner in against novices? Not going overboard thou. 7-2 is far to tight for the CH.
Time for Rupert looked good, where as Reve de Sivola looked awful.
The Master looked back to his imperious best, but again it won like the ratings told you it would.
Did I hear that Wollcombe Folly posted a faster time than MM? Now that is impressive.
Sam Winner again impressed but don't write of A Media Luz tho it NJH & BG will need to teach it to settle. It could be a price nto.

that we have a new Gold Cup contender in Midnight Chase - don't think his form lines tie in with any of the others and he's still improving.

And that Nicholls still has more ammunition than anyone else - and has produced more masterful training to get Master Minded back to his best.

Cue Card could still be a champion, but must stick with the novice route this season.

Sintonian, I agree that Menorah was giving Bothy a lot of weight but I don't think that many people would have considered Bothy to be within 40lb of a CH winner. Now (if Menorah ran to the same mark) he must be rated only 28lb away. Don't forget that Menorah was only off 151 that day which is a long way from top class. Yesterday, Menorah beat 2 horses rated 160 and 159 easily so must be up to 165+ making Bothy worth about 138. I think that either Menorah has improved a lot in 3 weeks or the 2 behind him yesterday are over rated.

Medermit STILL won't win the Arkle.

Don't think they will run in that one Willie - reckon they will go for the 2.5 miler.

il beat it if it does

   

           

         
       

Reve you fluked a win on Friday son.

Time fpor Rupert could win the 2.5 miler then follow up with the RSA

i cant argue that it wasnt a fluke but he will improve[;)]. give him another few runs and rupert will get a good view of his rear end coming up the chelters hill

time for rupert looks solid for the rsa imo
cue card should stay within the novice ranks this year and win the supreme
midnight chase for the william hill imo
wishfull thinking could be interesting for the arkle...strong run 2miles around cheltenham would suit more than the 2m 4f novice chase
sam winner looks a good horse but pantxoa wasnt given a hard time of it and could be one to watch out for in the near future
master minded looked like he is over last seasons blip and rightfully leads the queen mother betting as havent seen a better horse over 2miles this year....shame i missed the fancy prices :s
any given day....hmmm coral cup maybe.???

Nothing over the weekend but during the week at fairyhouse, Zaidpour looked very good. Which race will be it's target? I would prefer the Supreme (on at 12s)but connections may get scared off by Cue card.
Hurricane Fly swatted away Solwit and, if WM can keep it right, it will be a major player in the CH.

Dont think they'd be scared of anything tbh Willie

That snow is an absolute bollokache!

Next December they will run the vote Jessica Ennis Gold Cup at Cheltenham!!

Seemed to do the trick for AP!!

I agree with you Sint - I don't think they will be frightened off by Cue Card.

Quite odd really, at the end of last season, the 4yo were given a hard time; probably quite right too as their championship races weren't perhaps "vintage" renewals.

Now we have (in no particular order) Cue Card, Clerks Choice, Silvianaco Conti and Zaidpour.

Racing again. Yipeeeeeeeeeeeee. Super stuff yesterday and very informative. Well at Leopardstown.
It looks like Zaidpour will need further so my Supreme AP looks doomed.
Big Zeb was fantastic and jumped like an old pro. Along with MM, they have the Champion Chase between them.
Hurricane Fly also looked good but, imho, he won like he should have. Everything was in his favour today so there was no reason to think Solwit could beat him. The Champion Hurdle is shaping up to be the race of the festival.
Ghizao for the Arkle? Still not convinced. It's a pity we could not see this meeting as we need to know how they were jumping.
The Sam Winner form was well franked by Grandouet sauntering home.
Doubt if Punchestowns can win a GC, but hopefully Pride of Dulcote can as I'm on at 3 figures
Finally to the star of the NH season. Big Bucks only has to turn up fit and well to take his 3rd World Hurdle. He is simply in a different league to all staying hurdlers.

Agree about Ghizao - I'm not sure the Arkle looks a particularly strong race as things stand - may yet be contenders who have n't shown their hand.

Big Zeb - penny finally dropped, he's very good is n't he? Reckon he may well have the beating of Master Minded come March.

Oscar Whisky

Arkle looks the worst ever

Oscar Whisky going Welsh Champion Hurdle at the owners Ffos Las on February 5th looks a v good bet for that.

Gotta a feeling Oscar Whiskey could end up running in the County Hurdle which he is fav for.

you avin a laugh Eric??

Jockey said he is a definite CH horse yesterday,connections would be mad not to have a go.Big chance.

Think after defeat in the CHurdle they may be tempted to take the County Hurdle in. He beat a lot of slowish horses yesterday, Karabak would be miles behind in a Champion Hurdle and dropping back to 2m Oscar may fall short for pace. Welsh Champion a v good chance but when in with the best he is likely to need yesterdays trip which he loved.

the jockey knows whats needed for a CH horse,and he was adamant he is a CH horse.
May have beaten stayers,but that was a p!ss take yesterday!!
Ffos Las will tell us more.I have a feeling he will have whats needed to be top class over 2m,but accept the jurys out till he produces over that distance at the level required..

You cant fall into the easy trap of declaring Oscar a Champion Hurdle horse because he impressed against staying types over this trip when there is evidence there is better. If he had won the Supreme or Triumph you might have some evidence of that but instead you have a horse who already beat him comfortably in the Supreme looking in top shape beating better horses than yesterday over the near CHurdle course and trip.

Eric,Geraghty said he is a CH horse yesterday,i just thought he may be before yesterday.
I aint getting carried away,you are correct that he beat horses that wont be near a CH,but the jockeys confidence and the visual impression  gives me reason to think i may be right.
Yes i agree he has not got the form of some of them over the CH distance,but thats why i got 80 odd for him!!
I keep mentioning improvement and none of us have any idea how much their is in him or any of the supreme horses,or Peddlers.We have to use some imigination,try to work it out,and not just by looking at the formbook.

I'm the last person to rely on the formbook to find future Champions and jockeys opinions of their owm rides (which can relate to how much they want the ride in some cases rather than the horses real prospects), also you need to make a percentage call on information available and not have your view affected by having 80s on him.

Eric i mentioned the price in relation to the unknowns about him,it has nothing to do with my views on the horse,i regard that as an insult to suggest that cos i have a big price its clouding my judgement.
I watched the supreme a fair few times and decided he was a tad unlucky in running,and looked to have potential,thats all.I then looked his price at the time and decided it was worth a small punt.
I have seen nothing to suggest i did not do the right thing,in fact i am glad i did after watching him yesterday.i am under no illusion that he will win the CH based on his run yesterday,all i have is a horse that is a lot shorter now then he was,no more than that.
I do like what Geraghty said about him though,although appreciate that jockeys can get a tad carried away,i think BG is pretty genuine though.

stable don't have Punjabi or Zaynar for the race this year (s'pose they could enter Zaynar but it would be futile) - Gearaghty is used to being on one that is competitive for Henderson even though McCoy rides Binocular. Geraghty obviously wants to ride OW in the race - seems a quite straightforward decision to have a crack for me, though yesterday did n't seem like much of a CH trial to me given distance and protagonists.

fair point about the Welsh Champion Hurdle telling us more, budd - wonder how strong the opposition will be thee though?

well Rease,i think we have got used to having the CH without many clues.seems to be the thing now for fancied horses not to face each other much before March!! OW probably wont have any decent opposition,but maybe something will run that will give us a guide.

I learnt that my life changing antepost double on Finnians Rainbow and Bishopsfurze is now just that - a dream.
Bishopsfurze jumped like he was blindfolded ffs

Plenty of thoughts re Oscar Whiskey and you can look at it 2 ways.
1st, it was only 4L behind Menorah last year in the Supreme, one of the favs for the race, so on that form it deserves to be there.
2nd, beating Karabak, Celestial Halo etc is not, imho, CH winning form. I bet it yesterday and, not taking in what the jock said, I would go for the CH cos where else will it go after it wins the Welsh equivilent for the owners. To much weight for the County.

its either Champion Hurdle or kept fresh for Aintree, County Hurdle... whats your thinking behind that?

Brian Ellison has a nice juvinile on his hands. Marsh Wabler fairly scooted in and there was no fluke about it. Comprehensively beat Sam & Smad

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I learnt that my life changing antepost double on Finnians Rainbow and Bishopsfurze is now just that - a dream.
Bishopsfurze jumped like he was blindfolded ffs

one of these days uncle you'll pull it off

I think Kauto is past its best and should be retired with dignity.
Binocular is the one to beat in the CH

Court In Motion has a live Albert Bartlett chance..And kautos best days are clearly behind him we all knew that already though..

Master Minded is definitely not back to its best. In winning the VC by a sh from Sommersby, that is not QM winning form. Say what you like about the ride, which I thought was fine, that was not the MM from 08/09

Hurricane Fly again disposed of Solwit with the minimum of fuss. Will it be able to do the same in the CH? It certainly goes there with a big chance, but, imho, Binocular is still the one they all have to beat.

walkon seems to have retained his ability and could be a tt horse or a live outsider in the ch

walkon will make a fine 2 mile chaser next year

day of a lifetime has potential and had become a forgotten horse by me..punchestown maybe.?

AS far as the Chelt trials day is concerned

Only Grands crus stated his MAJOR claims

Otherwise nothing else to note

BOB WORTH/WISHFULL THINKING

Agreed Alvarado.
Wishfull jumped like a stag for a novice.
Could see the Whateley's having the winner of the opener on Thursday again to follow Copper Blue last year.

Er, of course, Copper is the Potts' horse. Hobbsy will do.

Definitely think Wishful Thinking should go for one of the handicaps rather than the RSA. Maybe the William Hill on the first day against the seasoned horses (Bensalem, a novice, would have won it last year but for falling at the 2nd last)

Agree ISLL. Grand Crus looks a serious, and the only,threat to Big Bucks.
All other "trials" were ok but cant really see any of yesterdays winners, GC aside, winning at the "Main Meet"

Wishful Thinking will be handicapped out of a Cheltenham handicap after winning off 148 yesterday surely?  Likely to be mid 150's and if they think he can win a handicap off that at Cheltenham (where you normally need about 8-10lbs in hand), they'd may as well go for the big prize money in the Ryanair!

Would imagine the new Jewson would be the target.

We could have a new champion chaser
Looks like the old guard are gonners

Big Zeb?
Big dissapointment
I know I'm being mega optimistic but I honestly think the better ground and the faster pace will suit BZ. Still the one to beat imho

big zeb wins by a mile

Probably Medrmit will head for the ARKLE

Wont win in my humble opinion

Medermit is getting better with experience but I honestly think over a fast 2ml, it will not have the pace but will be staying on at the business end. I think it could get placed.
The Champion Hurdle is no clearer, in fact with Oscar Whisky strolling in, and Binocular workman like at best, it just adds to the confusion

still fancy nothing in the Arkle and loads in the Champion Hurdle!

I think I can safely say Mikael D'Haguenet will not be winning a novice chase at the festival.
Oscars Well looked very impressive and should,  I think, be going for the Neptune.
Finian's Rainbow will need to jump much better than yesterday just to get involved.
The more I look at the Supreme, the more I think Cue Card looks NAP material. It has, by far and away, the best novice hurdle form on offer. I hope they stick to the novice route and dont get illusions that they could somehow win the Champion, cos they cant

am going to put double amount on my win double of tfr and cue card.think irish horses look below average .dermot welds mare does deserve go at triumph hurdle

That Hey Big Spender's confidence was restored by his school around Cheltenham on New Year's Day and he showed at Warwick that there is a decent contest to be won with him. Will be an interesting one in the Racing Post Trophy at the end of the month.

^ that should be Racing Post Chase - HBS would be outpaced in Racing Post Trophy though obstacles would n't be a problem.

Dunguib is still breathing
Though it proves hes still got a mountain to climb

I wont be backing Dunguib but the second today makes his price look really decent value when compared with Hurrcane fly. Luska Lad 2 lengths behind H Fly off levels and today was 3 and a half behind with a 2lb pull on Dunguib.

On the face of that Dunguib isnt bad value.

That W Mullins widnae show ye a blackie's nest
The Henderson horses are STILL on fire.
Riverside Theatre is improving but will the Ryanair be to short and the GC to far?
Nicholls misses Ruby.
Persian Snow won't win the bumper
Dunguib still retains all his ability.
Will Mille Chief win the CH? Don't think so.
Baby Run will be tough to beat when anyone tries to take away his Hunters crown.
Nothing else really excited me.

Back in Focus exciting I thought - with regard to next season and beyond, not just the Albert Bartlett at the Festival.

And of the two RSA trials was more impressed by Aiteen Thirtythree though was difficult to judge Master of the Hall given the opposition melted away a bit.

BACK IN focus

Not exciting
Pure hype

As the triner has now CONFIRMED

Not seen HoJo quote (not that I'd take much notice of it!) but how can the horse be pure hype?

What more did you want him to do on Sat? A somersault at the furlong pole perhaps, followed by turning 180 degrees and reversing across the line?

Need to see him again admittedly, and preferably on better ground, but don't see how he can be dismissed as 'pure hype' on the back of one impressive victory unless you're a narrow minded dogma merchant.

What a Friend will not win the Gold Cup. Mille Chief unlikely to be good enough for the CH. Golden Silver should be spot on for the QM if he runs. Ericht probably the best bumper this side of the Irish Sea.

Quinz certainly advertised the chances of Time For Rupert in the RSA

Nothing else to "learn" now. It's all been logged in the grey matter.
TUESDAY.
Cue Card will win the Supreme.
Finian's Rainbow in the Arkle but not confident.
Binocular in the CH but again will need to be like last year, or better.
L'Ami in the X country with it's low weight lol
Heres one for you. La Veccia Scuola e-w in the Mares. Last seen over hurdles in the 08 Swinton off of 144. Has since improved 32lbs on the flat and 2nd in last years Ces. If it has improved even by 7lbs it will be in the places. 33s and it runs.
WEDNESDAY.
So Young in the Neptune.
Time For Rupert in the RSA but the lack of experience is a concern.
Big Zeb to retain his crown.
THURSDAY.
Kalahari King e-w in the Ryanair. Great festival record.
Grand Crus to run away from BB.
FRIDAY.
A Media Luz for the Triumph, hopefully.
Don't yet know about the GC but doubt I will bet any of the older brigade. Looking for a youngster. Maybe Long Run.
Tanks For That in Nicky's dads race. Put away after it's good 2nd to Woolcombe Folly.
GL all