Cheltenham Festival
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16 Oct 10
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Benbane Head
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Majority of obvious contenders either appear to be going down the novice chase route{Zaynar,reve de sivola,time for Rupert}or are likely to be campaigned at shorter trips(peddlars cross).Maybe Bensalem is interesting given he wasn't the most natural jumper of fences and ran well in grade one company at punchestown on his final start.A total wild card might be Dunguib, jumping at two mile championship pace proved his undoing last spring and a step up in trip may not be a bad idea imo
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Bensalem interesting shout tbf
Quevega if the mares hurdle wasn't such a penalty kick Barry do me a favour ffs [smiley:crazy] |
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Quevega would be the obvious contender but as you point out the mares race looks at her mercy what do u make of the Dunguib angle?
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I will be ttt'ing this fred next March imo [:p]
Obviously he is the one to beat but from an AP point of view i have backed Benbane Head - Zaynar still unproven over trip imo - Quevega mares? - Time For Rupert,Reve Chasing? - Peddlers CH? Think 30s is value - 2 runs over 3m - in a ptp won well and lto over hurdles hosed up Obviously has to step up but has only had 5 runs under rules and with doubts over the targets of many at the top of the market i think 30+ is value Not listed with any books though[smiley:crazy] |
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Can't see him being aimed at anything other than the Champion
Would be of obvious interest in the unlikely event he stepped up in trip |
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The two mile route is far more likely i agree but given he did seem to fall short in the championship races, he would need to seriously brush up his jumping at speed to be winning championship races over two miles.That said he is a horse of great potential and he could simply get better at his obstacles with experience,i brought up the idea of stepping up to 3 miles just as an idea
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It's not a bad idea [;)]
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Just got about 50lb to find Barry and BH will be right there
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nothing to touch him imo. He will go down as the greatest staying hurdler of all time in next 12 months.
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He is imo, but the problem with that is the 3 mile division is severely lacking in strength, and we will get a similar scenario to Best Mate in that he didn't beat very much
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tbf nothing took him on in his 2nd WH because he'd scared off all credible opposition by stuffing throughout the season. I thought the first win was a top performance against another 170+ rated hurdler
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lets get a charity match bet on
big bucks v kauto star over 3 miles at cheltenham over hurdles. |
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Yeah Punchy a serious horse tbf
Would like to see that Howdi, think BB would win though  |
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I wouldn't take the 5/4. Andy Stewart has told Bobby Dazzler that the WH will be his target before a possible crack at the GC in 2012, but I think that if it becomes obvious that Kauto and Denman's powers are waning, PFN will be prompting the Stewarts to have a crack at the GC this season. I've had a speculative bet at 12s for the GC - he's 5/2 at best (all else being equal) if he turns up there. I've added Time for Rupert at 12s for the WH in a double - probably the only 'linked' bet you could hope to be paid out on these days!
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5/2 if he turned up get out of town [smiley:crazy]
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Well, he'd probably only turn up if Kauto and Denman were out of the picture and BB had proved his jumping. He's 4 from 5 at Cheltenham, stays, and probably has the best engine in NH racing. Given these circumstances, what price would you offer on the day Howdi?
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Have to agree with Howdi. He's a long way from being 5/2 until he proves he can brush up his jumping imo.
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havin gseen his jumping in hennessey 08 mate Id say he would be available at around 9/2 5-1 more if he just turned up without a prep race.
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But he wouldn't turn up unless he'd proved his jumping - that's why I qualified my first post by saying 'all else being equal'. So assuming he'd proved he could jump, what price do you think he'd be at the off?
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zaynar for the world hurdle and big bucks would have to be 6/1 to be even entertained in a GC
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hes totally unstoppable. simple as
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wont run over fences again imo
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Went hurdling cos he could'nt jump fences well enough.Dont see that changing now.Stick to what the horse does best imo.
Nothing to touch him unless Zaynar stays,which imo he wont,or TFR improves,which is likely,but he could well go chasing. Would not back him at this moment personally,but would understand some big hitters having a go. |
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5/1 pal.
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may as well take a chance and back him now
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for the GC that is
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Steeple you know I respect your opinion but 5/2 if he turns up?
The horse couldnt jump the last time he tried fences I dont see why everybody feels that a few seasons over hurdles means he will now be able to. If this horse ever wins the Gold Cup I will chcuk the game! |
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By the way Im not just saying that to be smart which now reading it it may come across that way.
If he had proved himself at home there is no way they would be spending time over hurdles imo. |
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i dunno i think he could balloon 3 or 4 fences and still win hes that superior to the rest.
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if and when peddlers fails to cut it amongst the elite 2 milers he will be aimed at the stayers.
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yes 5/2 seems madness doesn't it...couldn't jump last time.....they'd be better off trusting what a friend a bit more....what a season that horse had last year....and all achieved with a breathing problem....which has been dealt with.
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his jumpoing wasnt tyhat bad . hed still be able to win grade 1s jumping similar.
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Quote from my earlier post: Well, he'd probably only turn up if Kauto and Denman were out of the picture and BB had proved his jumping.
It's two years since the horse jumped a fence. It might be that he will never be any good over fences, but they schooled him over baby fences prior to his Aintree victory in April and PFN pronounced himself well pleased with that schooling session. Why bother even with baby fences if a reasonably imminent return to the major obstacles had been completely discounted? According to Bobby D, Andy Stewart says the horse will go for the GC in 2012 so there must be a reasonable degree of confidence that his fencing will have improved enough. If that is the case, then I think events might just conspire for that decision to be moved forward a year. I'm happy to be wrong about that for a small bet at 12s and remain convinced he'd be no more than 5/2 if turning up and quite probably a fair bit shorter. Just to clarify (and repeat from my earlier post), I would not expect him to line up unless his fencing had been tested and proved sound so we are talking about him putting up at least two convincing performances in quality 'chases beforehand, probably more. That is the premise on which I forecast his likely SP. Howdi, if you'd care to lay that 5/1 NRNB I'd be delighted to take it. |
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Isn't this a bit like saying 'if binocular could stay 3 miles and jump fences he'd be favourite for the gold cup' ?
I know what you mean, there's a chance he could go for the gold cup and if nicholls entered him, you'd have to believe there's a chance. i think i'd prefer to back seasoned chasers for the gold cup though. |
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I'm not sure how Big Bucks will prove his jumping prior to the GC, in what other race are they going to run at that speed against the best horses around? I think even if Kauto and Denman disappoint this year he will still go for the hatrick in the WH
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Just to keep things in perspective, in his 7 races over fences, he made 9 mistakes in total, three of those in the same race (a Grade 2 at Aintree, which he won beating Battlecry and Albertas Run).
Prior to his last-fence unseat, he'd made only one error when trying to become the first five-year-old to win the Hennessy: he carried 11.7 |
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see how he goes on saturday bjg, though distance will be short
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I'll lay the 5-1
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