Me Voici

you hardly mean me do you!! IF i was him id run him here until the ground gets better than soft and then send him off to france for the rest of his races for the season. must be a frustrating horse to have

ye. not sure why he decided against the triumph but then ran him at aintree???

id say he wishes he never ran me voici at aintree. it would have been to early to turn him out after his haydock run i think. An easy enough race around cheltenham in france would have been good for him and then tuck him away but its easy for me to say that. he was prob worried about it being taxing on a young horse and so decided against. What novice graded chases would suit him best in gb between this and about january that he could go for. Id say hell make a v good chaser... he could take femces like most horses take hurdles!

do you not think he could go arkle?

well i dont know. would he handle the ground. nick says heavy ground is perfect and that even soft ground is not ideal although he would have no problem running him on it. Im told that top class horses will handle any ground but i dont know reli. my god he is huge though isnt he?

Runs two over there tomorrow RDS at Auteuil so not as absurd as it would sound initially.

nick williams is ...?

wouldnt James de Vssy be a better Arkle prospect for Nick Williams?

would defo handle ground better anyway. I think hes not madly high in the betting is he?

Yeah Nick Williams does - one in the Prix Pride of Kildare and then one in a 4yo Hurdle later on the card.  Both ridden by Daryl Jacob.

and how would a lad like myself get cards for that please

Just seen your post over on Horse Racing.

France-Galop.com for the cards and the form of the others - the Pride of Kildare is a very hot race (usually) for unraced 3yo Hurdlers (won by Master Minded, Azertyuiop and Exotic Dancer in the past), it was won by Sang Bleu last year.

The other race is a regular 4yo Hurdle - I've not looked over the others in the field but the Williams horse won a Maiden P2P in a decent enough time in April so clearly has ability.

im finding difficulty in getting them off france galop, can you help further? thanks

http://www2.france-galop.com/FGWeb/domaines/courses/courses_calendrier.aspx that should work - races 3 and 7 the Williams horses are in.

If that site takes you to the main calendar then Auteuil on 30th September is the one

thanks, much appreciated. are you french yourself?

http://www.geny.com/reunions-courses-pmu/_d2010-09-30?#reunion1

That has the cards too.

what time will both races be at taking into account time difference?

13:40 and 15:45 UK time [:D]

ok thank you. what would you consider their chances. did the second horse win a point to poin t on hi only start?

Yeah he won at Kingston St Mary in April in a decent time.  Imagine they'll both come on for the run and the race that Horatio Caine is in is normally a very hot race.

They've chances if jumping round - would prefer to see a French jockey on them given how the race is likely to be run or see Jacob go off in front on them both.  Both races are over 2m 2f.

why would jacob go off in front?

Because I doubt that the Williams horses will have the turn of foot that the French trained horses will have in a sprint finish, added to the fact the second horse has won over 3m already and has guaranteed stamina.

but what could a french jockey do for the situation?

He'd know where to sit in the race, when to make his move etc. rather than just sit there and wait to find out the horse has no turn of foot or that the leaders have got away from him.  If the horses race handy they'll have as good a chance as any IMO (given the success that NW has had with French-breds in the past back in the UK).

I find it hard to believe that the way Williams trains his horses that they are likely to be seen to best effect in what often develops into a 1m 7f hack and a 3f sprint - could be wrong as both are French-bred.

Have tried to find more about about the Pointing winner but not been able to and the bible isn't released until November so nothing on that front either.

61/1 Horatio Caine on the PMU at the min RDS.

where can i watch the races?

Not sure about live but www.equidiavideo.fr offers the videos on a pay-per-view basis cheaply after the race.

Not in the first three in the first one RDS.  Will let you know when I find out where exactly HC came.

He finished the race (unlike 4 of the others) but wasn't in the top 6.

thanks

No problem - will let you know how the other goes too.

7th for Horatio.

beaten far?

Not sure at the min but looks like the winner came 5-6 lengths clear at least (only got a photo of the finish).

Shalimar Fromentro was second RDS - was 30/1 on the PMU.

thanks

unfortunately me voici has suffered a heart attack and is no longer with us

Oh bugger

With due respect, and I hope he's not lying, i'll await proper confirmation than from a forumite with two post to his name who joined today

Hope it's not true

It is very sad.

I remember reading the quote where NW said this horse made him look forward to getting up in the morning and training. Plus when they sold a similar type to PN they knew they had one twice as good at home.

Do we have a link to some official announcement?

he said it on atr, i missed it but their was an interview.

Oh I see, bugger

This is an incredible shame and a real loss for connections

far from trouble,i understand why u wouldnt believe me,as this site is full of liars and morons,but i can assure u i am not lien,it was mentioned on atr yesterday,and to be fair,really disappointed with the rp site for not reporting it

full of liars and morons is exactly why I awaited official confirmation (wasn't watching ATR at the time)

Not that I was calling you a liar or moron, but there have been numerous people turning up on here, posting one or two pieces of bullsh it and then bugger off.

fwiw i'm very disappointed at this news, thought he had a fairly big future

where abouts on the atr website can i see the interview plz