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Report scandanavian_haven November 10, 2018 11:45 PM GMT
in small fights you make a case for home decisions, but in big fights you generally get better judges who are better paid and less dodgy, though obv it does happen, but if he's up on all of the cards then he's up, maybe you'd be intimidated but don't think the judges would be lol
Report GRANTCKING November 10, 2018 11:45 PM GMT
exactly the same aswell, gave bellew first 3
Report wolf3011 November 10, 2018 11:45 PM GMT
First round was even , no one threw a punch
Report mega88 November 10, 2018 11:45 PM GMT

Nov 10, 2018 -- 11:44PM, GRANTCKING wrote:


baby miller is a fat bastard who can barely move


He wants Joshua Excited

Report casemoney November 10, 2018 11:45 PM GMT
"RHINO" "RHINO" "RHINO" "RHINO" "RHINO"

If Dave does the Training be a Certainty
Report mega88 November 10, 2018 11:46 PM GMT
Cro cop beat his ass and hes 50 odd now kickboxing match
Report tictacman1 November 10, 2018 11:46 PM GMT
BBC Radio 5 live.......



Speaking to BBC Radio 5 live, Tony Bellew said: "He is just so hard and so awkward. He is big and he overpowers you. I tried my best and he is probably the best cruiserweight that ever lived.

"He is better than what it says on the box. It is heartbreaking because I gave it everything I had. Heavyweights stay away, he takes a great shot and I don't even know if I hurt him. I have been doing this for 20 years, and it is over."
Report scandanavian_haven November 10, 2018 11:46 PM GMT
If the judges view is no good - why have judge since time began always been ringside and not judged the fight on TV, esp as TV has become more advanced so show numerous angles.
Report wisewords November 10, 2018 11:47 PM GMT
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Report mega88 November 10, 2018 11:47 PM GMT
In all seriousness is bellew a decent boxer or he just got lucky in his career ????
Report n88uk November 10, 2018 11:47 PM GMT
Probably to have them right there ringside, but I can't actually answer why.
Report n88uk November 10, 2018 11:47 PM GMT
It will be something entrenched as that's how it's always been done.
Report bobweenit November 10, 2018 11:48 PM GMT

Nov 10, 2018 -- 11:47PM, mega88 wrote:


In all seriousness is bellew a decent boxer or he just got lucky in his career ????


decent but very very fortunate to earn the money he has with his ability

Report mega88 November 10, 2018 11:49 PM GMT

Nov 10, 2018 -- 11:48PM, bobweenit wrote:


Nov 10, 2018 -- 11:47PM, mega88 wrote:In all seriousness is bellew a decent boxer or he just got lucky in his career ????decent but very very fortunate to earn the money he has with his ability


Sounds right, got lucky with haye having no leg for starters

Report bobweenit November 10, 2018 11:49 PM GMT
yeah
Report tobermory November 10, 2018 11:49 PM GMT
Judging has been terrible in countless big fights, a judge gave GGG 2 rounds vs Canelo....

Having them watch on TV is a good idea but they just sit where they were always sat before  TV existed.

Often judged are picked by a promoter. There was one who was doing small hall fights and Eddie gave him a shot at glory on the world title scene. And he duly gave Burns that fight against a guy that practically killed him.
Report scandanavian_haven November 10, 2018 11:52 PM GMT
a judge gave GGG 2 rounds vs Canelo...


that's the one I already reference above, it does happen, you do get rogue judges, but sometimes you have to accept that they've seen angles we haven't at home - we're shown whatever angle tv decides to show

judges in big fights are often agreed on both sides like tonight, dodgier decisions more expected in smaller fights.
Report Des Pond November 10, 2018 11:52 PM GMT
Bellew made the very best of the ability he had (and it was a respectable level, imo). It was a very well managed career
Report scandanavian_haven November 10, 2018 11:53 PM GMT
dodgiest decision ever was Mayweather being robbed of a place in the Olympic final in 96
Report n88uk November 10, 2018 11:53 PM GMT

Nov 10, 2018 -- 11:49PM, tobermory wrote:


Judging has been terrible in countless big fights, a judge gave GGG 2 rounds vs Canelo....Having them watch on TV is a good idea but they just sit where they were always sat before  TV existed.Often judged are picked by a promoter. There was one who was doing small hall fights and Eddie gave him a shot at glory on the world title scene. And he duly gave Burns that fight against a guy that practically killed him.


That is true when it's just a total stitch up job like that, but tonight's judges will have been neutral for sure, and won't have actually been on the take.

The judges here aren't the absolute worst, but they aren't good either. AJ vs Klitschko another one that most had Klitschko at time of stoppage, all judges had AJ ahead.

Report n88uk November 10, 2018 11:53 PM GMT
Roy Jones lost at Olympics which was actually proven fixed. And was total fixed just from watching it as other guy barely lands a punch.
Report jin_kazz November 10, 2018 11:54 PM GMT
GGG and Floyd also robbed at OG
Report jin_kazz November 10, 2018 11:55 PM GMT
even Loma was robbed in amateurs. and that was his only loss. lol
Report anxious November 10, 2018 11:56 PM GMT
Why would people want to slag bellew off , i dont get it he was a good fighter and gave it his all in most fights , was a brave fighter and never  ducked a challenge
Report wisewords November 10, 2018 11:56 PM GMT
looking back, Bellew's best hope was to go into "go for broke" mode in round 3 when Usyk looked slightly vulnerable and hope he caught him with one of his big slugging punches
Report wisewords November 10, 2018 11:58 PM GMT
Usyk would have always known that his tank was far bigger than Bellew's and as soon as he slowed down it would be easy. Bellew did cause him some trouble in early rounds, and during that moment he should have tried to back him into a corner for the last 45 seconds and unleashed
Report Des Pond November 10, 2018 11:58 PM GMT
Lots of British fighters have had dodgy draws or decisions in their favour in recent years. You don't have to try hard to find them. Two of them were on the Card tonight
Report n88uk November 10, 2018 11:58 PM GMT
Usyk never really looked that vulnerable, not like Bellew actually wobbled him.
Report n88uk November 10, 2018 11:59 PM GMT

Nov 10, 2018 -- 11:55PM, jin_kazz wrote:


even Loma was robbed in amateurs. and that was his only loss. lol


Amateurs is total corrupt.

Report scandanavian_haven November 10, 2018 11:59 PM GMT
I hope Bellew doesn't turn to commentating now, that's not a voice you want to hear high pitched non stop
Report scandanavian_haven November 10, 2018 11:59 PM GMT
Amateurs is definitely corrupt to the core - it's always been at it's worst at the Olympics though.
Report n88uk November 10, 2018 11:59 PM GMT
Also Usyk's engine is amazing, as seen in his last few fights, he wont like all the latter rounds in those too.
Report n88uk November 11, 2018 12:00 AM GMT
He will, like all of the big Sky names end up commentary after retiring.

Froch openly says he doesn't even watch boxing, yet still is always on commentary.
Report Des Pond November 11, 2018 12:00 AM GMT
Why would people want to slag bellew off , i dont get it he was a good fighter and gave it his all in most fights , was a brave fighter and never  ducked a challenge

Agree, Anxious.
Report n88uk November 11, 2018 12:00 AM GMT
Haye has burned bridges all over the place yet still gets on commentary.
Report mega88 November 11, 2018 12:00 AM GMT

Nov 10, 2018 -- 11:56PM, wisewords wrote:


looking back, Bellew's best hope was to go into "go for broke" mode in round 3 when Usyk looked slightly vulnerable and hope he caught him with one of his big slugging punches


Totally agree wise, he should have gone beast mode and hope he clipped him round the ear

Report scandanavian_haven November 11, 2018 12:01 AM GMT
froch is still upset about losing to Ward, can't quite get over it and gets annoyed when people bring it up
Report jin_kazz November 11, 2018 12:01 AM GMT

Nov 10, 2018 -- 11:59PM, n88uk wrote:


Also Usyk's engine is amazing, as seen in his last few fights, he wont like all the latter rounds in those too.


that's how him and loma methodically destruct their opponents. they just can't compete at such speed and gas out in the end.

Report n88uk November 11, 2018 12:04 AM GMT
Go for broke rarely ever actually works though. Vs anyone skilled, you just wave the storm and let them gas themselves out which they will if they are actually going for broken. And it's much easier said than done anyway unless you are up against a plodder or someone totally gassed just standing there, as not like they will just stand there to be hit.
Report wisewords November 11, 2018 12:05 AM GMT

Nov 11, 2018 -- 12:00AM, n88uk wrote:


Haye has burned bridges all over the place yet still gets on commentary.


Haye got himself in with Chisora now. Hoping Chisora can beat Whyte so Haye can weasel in on the AJ/Chisora gravy train

Report bobweenit November 11, 2018 12:05 AM GMT
n88 you still think it was tko?
Report bobweenit November 11, 2018 12:05 AM GMT
buffer announced ko
Report tobermory November 11, 2018 12:05 AM GMT

Nov 10, 2018 -- 11:59PM, scandanavian_haven wrote:


I hope Bellew doesn't turn to commentating now, that's not a voice you want to hear high pitched non stop


Bellew has been one of Sky's top 4 pundits for 18 months now. The only ones he hasn't pundited on were his own fights. You can look forward to 30+ years of his voice

Report wisewords November 11, 2018 12:06 AM GMT

Nov 11, 2018 -- 12:04AM, n88uk wrote:


Go for broke rarely ever actually works though. Vs anyone skilled, you just wave the storm and let them gas themselves out which they will if they are actually going for broken. And it's much easier said than done anyway unless you are up against a plodder or someone totally gassed just standing there, as not like they will just stand there to be hit.


I agree. Still think it was Bellew's best chance of winning. Usyk was on the backfoot in those early rounds. Bellew was looking fresh. Should have cornered him and towards the end of a round gone into crazy mode and tried to hurt him. Even a glancing blow to the top of the head would have done damage. The sort of thing Dillian Whyte did to Joe Parker, roughed him up

Report scandanavian_haven November 11, 2018 12:07 AM GMT
I've never heard Bellew commentate, what was his last 2-3 fights he commentated on ?
Report bobweenit November 11, 2018 12:07 AM GMT
Adam Smith is the worst you hear his line telling people Tony is not actually a terrosit cos he has the bomber tattooed on his back!
Report bobweenit November 11, 2018 12:07 AM GMT
Sky need to sack smith he ruin all the fights with his ****
Report n88uk November 11, 2018 12:08 AM GMT

Nov 11, 2018 -- 12:05AM, bobweenit wrote:


n88 you still think it was tko?


Did Bellew actually beat the count. I thought he did? If he didn't then it's KO, but I thought the ref waved it off after he got up.

Report scandanavian_haven November 11, 2018 12:08 AM GMT
How much exactly did Bellew earn tonight
Report wisewords November 11, 2018 12:08 AM GMT

Nov 10, 2018 -- 11:43PM, wolf3011 wrote:


I thought USYK was well ahead at the time of the stoppage but everyone in the media thinks otherwise


Bellew was benefitting from hometown judging, but it still wouldn't have been enough because Usyk would have won 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 and thus it didn't matter if they had Bellew 2 up or whatever rubbish

Report bobweenit November 11, 2018 12:08 AM GMT
ywah he waved it of I agree after the 8 count
Report wisewords November 11, 2018 12:08 AM GMT

Nov 11, 2018 -- 12:08AM, n88uk wrote:


Nov 11, 2018 -- 12:05AM, bobweenit wrote:n88 you still think it was tko?Did Bellew actually beat the count. I thought he did? If he didn't then it's KO, but I thought the ref waved it off after he got up.


The ref waved it off after he saw Dave Coldwell trying to get into the ring.

Report n88uk November 11, 2018 12:09 AM GMT
Oh if he did that then it's KO.
Report wisewords November 11, 2018 12:09 AM GMT
so therefore he stopped it, and it goes down as a KO. if Coldwell had got into the ring with the towel, it would have been a TKO.
Report tobermory November 11, 2018 12:09 AM GMT
I'm not sure he's done the co comm on a PVV but he is usually one of the 3 standing up
Report bobweenit November 11, 2018 12:10 AM GMT
not after the 10 count he got to 8 and waved it of
Report n88uk November 11, 2018 12:10 AM GMT
Bellew clearly wasn't going to win another round yer. He was just on the back foot throwing single punches last few rounds, like impossible to win rounds doing that unless other guy is doing nothing too.
Report GRANTCKING November 11, 2018 12:11 AM GMT

Nov 11, 2018 -- 12:10AM, bobweenit wrote:


not after the 10 count he got to 8 and waved it of


KO, only a TKO if a towel was thrown in the ring before the ref waved it off

Report bobweenit November 11, 2018 12:12 AM GMT
not sure thats betfairs rules coop the tko traded a low lower than ko suggesting more option than just the towell coming in
Report bobweenit November 11, 2018 12:13 AM GMT
it traded at 3s and was lower than the ko pre fight
Report wisewords November 11, 2018 12:13 AM GMT

Nov 11, 2018 -- 12:10AM, bobweenit wrote:


not after the 10 count he got to 8 and waved it of


yes waved it off when he caught a glance of Dave Coldwell infront of him on his way into the ring with the towel. think the ref was going to let Bellew try to get up otherwise

Report wisewords November 11, 2018 12:14 AM GMT
if Terry O'Connor hadn't noticed Coldwell until he got into the ring, would have been a TKO like what happened with Brook against GGG with Dom Ingle throwing the towel in
Report wisewords November 11, 2018 12:15 AM GMT

Nov 10, 2018 -- 11:47PM, mega88 wrote:


In all seriousness is bellew a decent boxer or he just got lucky in his career ????


European level Cruiserweight boxer. lucked out achieving what he did in his career when you look at someone like Nathan Cleverly who was a similar standard

Report wisewords November 11, 2018 12:17 AM GMT

Nov 10, 2018 -- 11:43PM, mega88 wrote:


Baby Miller gonna beat everyone


Laugh behave meg, he's about 26 stone

Report bobweenit November 11, 2018 12:18 AM GMT
KO or TKO
Knockout (KO) is when the boxer does not stand up after a 10 count.
Technical knockout (TKO) is the 3 knockdown rule or if the referee steps in to stop the fight
Report wisewords November 11, 2018 12:18 AM GMT

Nov 10, 2018 -- 11:45PM, scandanavian_haven wrote:


in small fights you make a case for home decisions, but in big fights you generally get better judges who are better paid and less dodgy, though obv it does happen, but if he's up on all of the cards then he's up, maybe you'd be intimidated but don't think the judges would be lol


totally disagree with that. GGG v Canelo 1 and GGG v Canelo 2 obvious examples of crooked judging in the biggest fights in recent times

Report bobweenit November 11, 2018 12:18 AM GMT
so if a ref jumps into to stop a fight when someones getting chinned on the ropes but wont drop they pay out a tko
Report wisewords November 11, 2018 12:20 AM GMT
does it make a big difference to your profit or something bob? you only go into this serious bob mode on such occasions
Report scandanavian_haven November 11, 2018 12:20 AM GMT
GGG V Canelo 1 - there was a case for 2 of the judges being right - but that other judge who I believe has not worked since was easily bent.

I don't think the judging in GGG v Canelo 2 was bad, everyone pretty much agreed it was 50/50 and going into the last round said GGG had to go for it to win
Report bobweenit November 11, 2018 12:22 AM GMT
it does wise I backed ko and they paid out on it then took it back then re payed out on it so even they were confused
Report wisewords November 11, 2018 12:22 AM GMT

Nov 10, 2018 -- 11:45PM, wolf3011 wrote:


First round was even , no one threw a punch


agree, but they probably gave it to Bellew on "ring generalship". he gave the impression he was controlling the pace early doors

Report bobweenit November 11, 2018 12:22 AM GMT
buffer said by ko though so good enough for meCool
Report wisewords November 11, 2018 12:23 AM GMT

Nov 11, 2018 -- 12:22AM, bobweenit wrote:


it does wise I backed ko and they paid out on it then took it back then re payed out on it so even they were confused


did ref reach 10 before he did the arms wave?

Report bobweenit November 11, 2018 12:23 AM GMT
nope!
Report bobweenit November 11, 2018 12:24 AM GMT
it's borderline but when someone is obviously totally unconscious they never give it the 10 count even tho it is a ko
Report scandanavian_haven November 11, 2018 12:25 AM GMT
Was Joshua v Klitscho the best fight of the 21st century ?
Report bobweenit November 11, 2018 12:28 AM GMT

Nov 11, 2018 -- 12:25AM, scandanavian_haven wrote:


Was Joshua v Klitscho the best fight of the 21st century ?


not even best fight of the month it occurred in and if you think most judges even have a clue about boxing you are deluded SH ! Watch Burns Beltran! Beltran won every round and smashed burns is jaw in 2 in the first or second but never got the decision in Scotland! A travesty ! Raymond Beltran never won a world title after eitherSad

Report wisewords November 11, 2018 12:28 AM GMT

Nov 11, 2018 -- 12:24AM, bobweenit wrote:


it's borderline but when someone is obviously totally unconscious they never give it the 10 count even tho it is a ko


true. I defo think Coldwell's actions effected the ending though. O'Connor reacted with the arms wave when Coldwell made his move

Report scandanavian_haven November 11, 2018 12:29 AM GMT
didn't see that fight, not saying all judges are clean obviously - esp in smaller bouts

but in all the big fights I've ever seen, in most cases the right decision was made
Report GRANTCKING November 11, 2018 12:31 AM GMT
the first GGG was robbery for me, I had GGG winning, the 2nd fight I had a draw
Report bobweenit November 11, 2018 12:31 AM GMT
I tend to think the majority of the judges decisions go with fighter in big fights to the big name or which fighter gonna generate most money in the future which tends to be the established big name
Report bobweenit November 11, 2018 12:32 AM GMT
Jacobs clearly beat GGG for me and didn't get the decsion cos it;s GGG
Report GRANTCKING November 11, 2018 12:33 AM GMT
the worst decision ive ever seen was tyson furys first ever fight v mcdermott I think his name was? the other guy was 1/100 at the final bell and the ref awarded it to fury, hilarious
Report bobweenit November 11, 2018 12:33 AM GMT
oh my never knew that coop
Report bobweenit November 11, 2018 12:33 AM GMT
interesting
Report GRANTCKING November 11, 2018 12:34 AM GMT
oh no it wasnt his first fight, was john mcdermott tho
Report GRANTCKING November 11, 2018 12:34 AM GMT
maybe ws his first fight on tv
Report GRANTCKING November 11, 2018 12:34 AM GMT
there wasnt any judges, the ref decided the winner, was clearly fixed
Report GRANTCKING November 11, 2018 12:35 AM GMT
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2009/sep/14/mcdermott-fury-english-heavyweight-boxing

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Report bobweenit November 11, 2018 12:35 AM GMT
John McDermott's defeat to Tyson Fury was a travesty of historic proportions
Report GRANTCKING November 11, 2018 12:35 AM GMT
Laugh yep same article
Report scandanavian_haven November 11, 2018 12:35 AM GMT
Kovalev beat Ward in the first fight as well imo
Report bobweenit November 11, 2018 12:35 AM GMT
yeah thats the headline from the guardian
Report wisewords November 11, 2018 12:41 AM GMT

Nov 11, 2018 -- 12:07AM, bobweenit wrote:


Sky need to sack smith he ruin all the fights with his ****


Head of Boxing at Sky Sports

Report GRANTCKING November 11, 2018 12:44 AM GMT
I dont mind adam smith at all tbh
Report GRANTCKING November 11, 2018 12:44 AM GMT
I do laugh at the comments on youtube tho
Report wisewords November 11, 2018 12:51 AM GMT

Nov 11, 2018 -- 12:32AM, bobweenit wrote:


Jacobs clearly beat GGG for me and didn't get the decsion cos it;s GGG


true

Report wisewords November 11, 2018 12:53 AM GMT

Nov 11, 2018 -- 12:34AM, GRANTCKING wrote:


oh no it wasnt his first fight, was john mcdermott tho


it was the first time Fury fought McDermott. Fury then fought him again and knocked him out. so when people talk about the robbery fight, they say "the first McDermott fight"

Report geoff m November 11, 2018 9:46 AM GMT
Usyk hes 1 classy boxer,and 1 classy guy.
Report TheBaron November 11, 2018 11:32 AM GMT
Impressed by Usyk he is accurate, doesn't waste energy and seems very controlled in what he does. It'll be interesting to see what he does at heavy weight.  I can see him becoming a big favourite with British Boxing fans.
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