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Lets keep it all in the one place before numerous threads are started before the weekend.. whats the opinions here ? plenty off food for thought especially after seeing the gloves are off. The weigh in should be interesting, personally i think froch has groves number all ends up this time. seems in a much better place and has learned so much from last time. groves trying to upset him but it really isnt working this time. I think froch will stop him late again only in more clinical fashion this time around. views ?
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froch will win he will stop him again.froch as put him down in sparring and in the last fight and ive played at 1.81 and 1.80 can only see him getting shorter groves saying hes going to knock him out in 3 groves does talk some bo11ocks run groves run
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If Froch hasnt aged suddenly and has maintained the level of the last 2 years then i have him stopping and wearing down Groves. He has to at least be a bit smarter this time though andhe certainly doesnt want to be letting GG box and control like last time. I think Froch has been training intensly for this and it has to be a worry for Groves that he lost after performing so well. I think Froch turns this into a brawl from the off and does him early.
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groves on points if he uses his brains
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^^ what brain would that be ? hes clearly an uneducated fool that would be a binman if he wasnt a boxer
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was in betfred today and they had gary wiltshire on tell people that the good judges are taking the 22t1 the draw someone forgot to tell in its 38 on here
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Froch can train as much as he likes for this fight.....Groves has his number. He's faster, quicker, younger. Froch struggles with quick boxers and Groves was no different. Groves ran out of puff in the last fight. That was lack of championship experience and quite possibly stamina issues on George's behalf. Groves was inexperienced last time. I honestly think that Groves couldn't believe how easy it was, round after round and got in to an unnecessary war. A more experienced boxer would have known he was a mile ahead by the middle rounds and got on his bike for the remaining few rounds.....not try and knock out a boxer who doesn't get stopped. Groves is an intelligent boxer, (for all the bravado). He'll learn from the first fight and adapt. What will Froch do....get quicker, faster etc???
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Froch can train as much as he likes for this fight.....Groves has his number. He's faster, quicker, younger. Froch struggles with quick boxers and Groves was no different. Groves ran out of puff in the last fight. That was lack of championship experience and quite possibly stamina issues on George's behalf. Groves was inexperienced last time. I honestly think that Groves couldn't believe how easy it was, round after round and got in to an unnecessary war. A more experienced boxer would have known he was a mile ahead by the middle rounds and got on his bike for the remaining few rounds.....not try and knock out a boxer who doesn't get stopped. Groves is an intelligent boxer, (for all the bravado). He'll learn from the first fight and adapt. What will Froch do....get quicker, faster etc???
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No play for me. Groves stamina is an unknown put a few little things like tying up properly and walking Carl back can help with that. Froch at odds on? A man whose wars and face first defence has to catch up with him sooner or later. The only reason I'd back Froch is to cling onto some hope that he had a bad night and still won but thats about it, Groves owned him in every round, even the start of the 9th
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The problem with IVY point is that (although i agree groves pretty much won every round before the stoppage) HE DIDNT on the scorecards.. the fight was stupidly close.. I dont think groves could of won those rounds any clearer, that would have to be a worry..
We all know groves can outbox FROCH but wll he? Wil he be drawn in again? Will Froch have taken confidence that that fight couldnt of actualluy gone worse however he still won? I am of the opinion that groves was near done and although it shouldnt of been stopped then if it continued with that 10-8 round the scorecards would of been even i think... cant wait to see fight... Should see the passing of the crown old to young.. HOWEVER FROCH has suprised us time and time again through his career i think he will once again.. The 9-2 on points is to big imo |
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It took Froch 7 rounds to get over being badly stung in the first round. I think they will both be wary of each others power. Groves knows he was hurt and in trouble but won't admit it. It could take a few rounds to catch fire but I think Froch will try and box more this time like he did against AA. Groves will not be under the radar this time and will be under more pressure to back up his talk of being robbed. I think Froch after boxing carefully for the first 6 rounds will eventually get to him for a late KO win.
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Its George Groves to win or lose, he has much better boxing ability. Froch is not a world class boxer, he is world class hard man and has world class conditioning.I had the biggest bet of my life on Groves the last time and while the fix might have been on with regards the referee and certainly the scoring of the judges on the night, groves let him back in the fight by trying to trade with him and making it in to a fight rather than just box him.I think Groves will win but the odds don't represent value this time so i will have a little dabble on the draw.
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all it takes is to be hard and have good conditioning to win a world title and defend it over again these days
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Is Froch going to learn from the last fight, adjust his game and improve as a boxer at 36? If Froch has a B game, I can't wait to see it. Or will Groves continue to improve, continue to beat Froch to the punch but learn to use his brain this time and NOT get involved in a war. How many more times can Froch's chin continue to take the poundings? It catches up with the best of them and he's certainly no different. Interesting when you hear Groves and his trainer differing on the speed they can take Froch out, one saying 3rnd, the other saying 5. That ain't bravado. Groves going in to the first fight thought he was a championship boxer. Going in to the second fight, he knows he's a championship boxer. I think it will be an easy night at the office for Groves
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With all due respect mightymoyes i would say yes.In his last ten fights he should have won about five of them, he was outclassed in boxing ability by Taylor , Dirrel, Ward and Groves.It was not his boxing ability that got him the decision, it was his conditioning and toughness.
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yet he won. he beat excellent fighters you dont just do that with heart.... stop hating and start loving the man has fought everyone ducked knowone and gone for them all...
I think its funny that you lot all keep saying the confidence groves will have from the last fight??? lol have you ever played a sport where your winning comfortbly and you think this is easy... then all of a sudden it starts turning and all of sudden its gone youve lost ... how??? Groves has the excuse with the ref yea... but if your stupid enough not to realize he was in a bad way and would of been near out in a few more punches? or in desperate trouble for last half few rounds? which would of given froch the lead on the score cards (deserved or not) your actually seeing what tou want to see. I think deep in groves moind he'll think i hit the bloke with everything and he still beat me ... And if starts getting hard saturday i think that will come back to haunt him |
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groves was dead on his feet before the stoppage last time..the more i see it the more im thinking it was actually the correct decision
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he was going or about to go that round or next in my opinion. However there is an angle that when u see it from the refs view he shuddered and looked gone but from the opposite angle it wasnt bad enough to stop it.
The problem with refs in Uk is 1 there rubbish 2 they stop fights for anything... can you imagine miranda vs abraham in the uk lol |
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fancy groves on points if he just uses his head and doesnt get into a war
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if he uses his brain GRANTCKING thats what should happen... problem is he and his new trainer keep on about earlier stoppages... think he'd have a far better chance boxing clever with booth in his corner
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Froch going to surprise a few people and get the job done with the minimum fuss imo. Always a chance he gets caught squared up again of course but I think he'll be less reckless and honestly dont think it will take much educated pressure to get Groves wilting. gonna be a sweet night, I sincerely hope Froch is utterly classless and gives Groves zero credit in the post fight interviews
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I'm thinking Groves on pts or stoppage.was an absolute disgrace that after the 9th rd last time that two of the judges would have had the scores even.fast Eddie dodgy as f uck.
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we shouldn't underestimate the mental damage caused by Groves from the humiliating knock down followed by the pasting he handed out (at will)to Froch in the first fight. Being public about his recent visits to a shrink tell you how much it mentally got to him. What's it going to be like when Groves starts punching him again where he likes, whenever he likes?
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yet he still lost. thats more humiliating
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he was getting stopped either that round or the next
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I think you are spot on Over. I've gone for Froch KO round 6. I actually think all the pressure is on Groves for this fight. Froch looks to be in an immense place I can see him coming out and doing a Bute number on him and I don't think Groves will take the punishment dished out. Wouldn't surprise me as well seeing Froch retire on a high if he wins, obviously would retire if he loses as well but just cannot see it happening.
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It has to be a watch and enjoy for me rather than any bets
I couldn't rule any outcome out |
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Agree with SJ in that Groves' stamina has to be a worry but with a stable and long camp and you'd have thought he could manage 12 rounds. I think he can outbox Froch and mix it up. My hunch is that Froch hasn't got any big wins left in him. Could well be a classic though.
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Groves to win well on Saturday night.
He is just too good for Froch. Its interesting to note the different viewpoints from the first encounter. Hope George Groves gets a fair shake this time round, the refs early intervention & the judges scorecards at the time of the stoppage compared to how the assembled boxing press experts had scored the fight to that point takes some understanding? Froch appeared a desperate man to my eyes in the first fight,hitting on the break,forearm smashes,running straight into George Groves in an attempt to un-balance him in the ninth after he had tagged him. I would not care to be in Carl Frochs shoes on Saturday night. Nice payday for the Nottingham fighter though at around 4m, hope he enjoys his retirement. |
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My view on the first fight was that Froch was tentative right from the off. It was almost as if he knew he hadn't trained 100% as he was thinking of a future fight with Ward etc and realised early on that Groves was quicker and better than he had given him credit for. Groves looked all over the winner for the first 6 rounds but if people are being objective then huge credit has to be given to Froch for turning the fight around and although it was stopped prematurely, I think Froch was on the verge of stopping Groves although obviously a subjective viewpoint.
The crucial aspect about that fight was that most people expected Froch to teach Groves a lesson, there was very little pressure on Groves - all the pressure was on Froch it was a lose lose situation for him really and an odd fight to take given the circumstances. Now the show is on the other foot - Froch has beaten several world champions and has an excellent resume to fall back on should he lose and retire after the fight. I don't think there is too much pressure on him as he has a family now and he has already proved his quality on the world stage in beating the likes of Bute, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler, Arbraham, Pascal etc so he can go into the fight with more confidence. He didn't get his jab going at all in the first 6 rounds, partly due to the speed of Groves but I think Froch lacked confidence and it was the first time I have seen almost fight being fearful of losing. Having got that win under his belt he can always fall back on 'i beat him the first time' etc. All the pressure is on Groves for this fight. He moaned and whinged like a little girl after the first fight, bleeting on and on for a rematch. If Groves loses this fight and Degale wins then their careers will be crossing on anothers, one on the way down and one on the upgrade. There is huge pressure on Groves to win this fight and despite all his talk and the way he tries to present himself, he knows there is more at stake for him than Froch. Froch has done it, this is almost a brucie bonus of a fight. If Groves loses this fight then it will take a long time for him to rebuild his career again. In sport and life in general, confidence is a huge factor. I think Froch has a serious edge in this aspect going into the fight and his record speaks for itself. Froch to stop Groves at 6/4 is my bet. |
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Watching the Behind The Ropes programme Froch looked incredibly slow sparring Eubank Jr. His work looked forced and he looked old in there.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfd37A4z37M
full round of that spar |
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I watched that earlier on sky and thought the same thing. And then I thought 'I wonder why they agreed for that to be in there?'
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dont expect the fight to be a war froch camp feel they will have to go looking for groves who will be happy to box behind hes jab and hand speed if you bet froch like me dont expect nothing to happen in the early rounds it will be late in the fight that froch will get him and also in the 1st fight they had it level when froch stop him which i thought was a joke if you bet groves i think a points win would be the bet good luck all
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really hope groves batters big gob froch
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Agree with the Dr.
Groves has faster feet, faster hands and scope for further improvement. His only mistake in the first fight, as Adam Booth said, was he didnt pace himself properly. This time round for me he boxes at less intensity throughout the first 6 rounds and wins on points comfortably. There is always a possibility of Froch producing a knockout blow but Groves pts at around 4/1 is HUGE. |
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mate at the weigh-in said most people thought groves looked pale and tight but jim watt says on tv he thought groves mite have problems with hes weight but when he saw him thought he looked great just goes to show you how people see it
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froch went to 1.76 after weigh-in looks like a few others agree with my mate that groves looked pale and tight
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Is that the same Jim Watt who was cringing to listen to during the first fight given his apparent random bias towards Groves?
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I think whenever Froch connects with a clean shot Groves will wobble like a drunken sailor and Froch will close it out. That could happen at pretty much any point in the fight in my opinion and I personally fancy rounds 4-6.
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