Froch v Groves

"i can back him on that"

Agree with that totally Jim Diamond. Froch looked sloppy early on but was never in trouble, Groves however was out on his feet and lucky the ref stopped it when he did. It was early no doubt but it has actually made Groves look better than what he is as he managed to avoid  a pummeling in the last 3 rounds. All credit to George though he deserves respect

To Cobra,of course.

Nov 23, 2013 -- 11:54PM, Jimmy Diamond wrote:

After the round 1 knockdown he only had 10 seconds until the bell so he wasnt in massive trouble. He was getting tagged often and rocked but i didnt think at any point he was about to be stopped, whereas i could tell Groves was getting broken down - i commented on it during the fight.

getting knocked down like that as close to the definition of massive trouble as you can get without being out cold....shots like that take years of fighters lives

fook credit 2 robert smith

froch's legs proved that when he stood up. he even afmitted he cant remember that... that is serious brain trauma lol

sorry about typos

hearn is the new sauerland

Froch won't want any of a rematch.  He was outclassed tonight and caught a break (as did I having backed froch by stoppage)

round 6 i want to watch again ,thought groves was close to stopping him then and im sure thats when the ref could have took a point off Froch aswell

I think 78-73 76-75 76-75 were the cards...and you can understand them...it's the scoring of the tight rounds that does it...77-74 probably right with Froch taking the 9th...making it 86-84 or 85-84 with a knock down...

It's the early stoppage and not knowing how it pans out that is annoying and the fact a rematch is necessary...although Groves had done enough for a rematch however it turned out...

Froch wasnt in massive trouble. He took a massive shot that put him down and got up, took round 2 and then for me wasnt ever seriously in trouble despite getting tagged a lot.

Folk defending that decision???

really hope Ward offers Groves a pop

I had it 77-74. It's far from certain Groves was going to win though. Froch was for sure about to win the current round.

funny how every1 at sky pushing for the rematch..££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££

a brutal knockdown doesnt count as massive trouble but covering yourself up and not taking sustained damage does?

ward would be a silly fight for groves to take.  There's plenty of lesser fighters out there that will look good on the CV and bring him some money before even considering fighting ward.

Two winners one losser, ffs boot foster out

Credit to Groves, outstanding performance but he was on his way out, the stoppage was premature but maybe only slightly........he was on his way out from round 7.

Froch is a freak as a boxer, can take an almost unbeliavable amount of punishment, quite worrying for his health but what a spirit.

the only way GG could of won that fight was if he knocked him spark out,
they would of **** him on the cards anyway.

froch once again proved though that his chin is granite.  Even the way he came back knowing he needed a KO - heart of a champion. Absolute warrior who never backs out of any fight.  People booing him seem to have short memories.

i guarantee there wont be a rematch

has 2b ward or kessler imo...but hard to see groves v kessler being ppv.....no point going backwards...and i just tink stepping in wit this circus setup again is 2 risky for him plus he won't get the money either

Jimmy Diamond 24 Nov 13 00:01 
Froch wasnt in massive trouble. He took a massive shot that put him down




A complete contradiction in two sentences.

lol

Robert smith needs to get back to singing with the cure cos he knows feck all about boxing

I hear Froch was delusional (as usual) in his post fight interview.  Used to find it annoying but have to admit now I find it amusing. 

Anywho great fight, Groves did seem to be fading but the stoppage, of course, was a joke.  There will be a rematch.

Froch wasnt in trouble? You must have been watching a different fight to the rest of us Jimmy

Why is that a contradiction? Just because he took a massive shot (which it wasn't anyway) doesn't mean he was in massive trouble.

we just have to look forward for the rematch guys

Not really biscuit. It was a massive shot...........the fact that there was only 10 seconds left in the round meant for me though he wasnt massively in trouble, he was always going to see the end of Round 1.......might have been a different story with longer left in the round.

Rematch Chelsea June

"Carl Froch was very poor, shouldn't have been stopped. I'll fight either of them tomorrow....."....degale on the coke 2nite it wud appear

Nov 24, 2013 -- 12:05AM, Jimmy Diamond wrote:

Credit to Groves, outstanding performance but he was on his way out, the stoppage was premature but maybe only slightly........he was on his way out from round 7. Froch is a freak as a boxer, can take an almost unbeliavable amount of punishment, quite worrying for his health but what a spirit.

i agree with you there at least. but its not out of the realms of possibility that groves could of held on.

and the end of a round does not signify that a fighter is going to be recovered at the start of the next round. using the defense that the round was nearly over when the knockdown happened to suggest he could hang on to till the end of the round only gives credence to the idea that he actually was very hurt when the knockdown happened. so there's another contradiction

Clearly if Groves took that shot in the 1st it would have been topped in the 1st. Absolute farce of a decision to stop it at that stage. Embarrassing for a world title fight.

Makes me wonder how many on here have watched many Carl Froch fights before tbh. Name me another boxer in any division who could take the shots that Froch took tonight the first half of the fight and come out through rounds 7,8 and 9 and stalk Groves down like he did.

watch it again ,, Froch didnt have a clue for the first 6 rounds , Groves over did it thinking he just had to connect again and it would be over , next time but there wont be one he would take him out for sure

Nov 24, 2013 -- 12:11AM, Jimmy Diamond wrote:

Makes me wonder how many on here have watched many Carl Froch fights before tbh. Name me another boxer in any division who could take the shots that Froch took tonight the first half of the fight and come out through rounds 7,8 and 9 and stalk Groves down like he did.

provodnikov

this match was a fix..........pure and simple

JD so you,ve seen Froch start fight like that before 5/6 rounds virtually nothing from him ,scared to throw in case he was countered

Martinez? jimmy.

no point arguing with jimmy,he knows everything about the game

Nov 24, 2013 -- 12:11AM, Jimmy Diamond wrote:

Makes me wonder how many on here have watched many Carl Froch fights before tbh. Name me another boxer in any division who could take the shots that Froch took tonight the first half of the fight and come out through rounds 7,8 and 9 and stalk Groves down like he did.

we all know froch is a warrior but his chin should'nt be used as a scapegoat imo, boxing is about landing more and better shots not who can take the most

smelt the shyte coming when the ref didn,t deduct CF a point ,and it could of been 2 but he decided to warn them both ,utter rollocks

I'm with you jimmy...the fight played out as most purists expect...groves came out fast/Froch came out slow...just how fast he did surprised most...Froch was coming through and he was executing his 12 round plan, whereas Groves appeared to be deviating from his...

But we will never know how it would have panned out and that is the tragedy of tonight....

and the end of a round does not signify that a fighter is going to be recovered at the start of the next round. using the defense that the round was nearly over when the knockdown happened to suggest he could hang on to till the end of the round only gives credence to the idea that he actually was very hurt when the knockdown happened. so there's another contradiction

Not really Razz, Froch is known for his recovery ability and the incredible punishment he can take. Was he out on his feet in round 2???? Not at all, lost round 2 for sure but wasnt on the edge of getting stopped.

Groves was getting weaker from 7 onwards and Froch had took massive punishment and was still piling forward........poor stoppage but only 1 or 2 shots early.

David's thing shut up Khan

tbf it's nothing new.  Boxing is about money - things like this have been happening for years.  Hearn is no different - Both of Burns' last 2 fights have been farcical, as was this stoppage.  Sauerland's fights have many questionable decisions also as do arum's. 

Unfortunately that's just the sport nowadays.  UFC looks like going down the same road also.

we all know froch is a warrior but his chin should'nt be used as a scapegoat imo, boxing is about landing more and better shots not who can take the most

Rubbish. Boxings over 12 rounds in a championship bout. If someone wants to land better shots and get a decision thats fair enough. If someone wants to use their chin to take shots and try wearing the opponent down then thats also fair enough.

I can understand peoples frustration at the stoppage but i think we are missing an important point.........skill wise it was poor from Froch...............but you wont see a bigger display of toughness, guts and mental strength in a boxing ring anywhere.

Yeah Jimmy would have been a cracker of a fight if it played out like you thought it would. Unfortunatley it didn't and we're all robbed of a great fight because an incompetent referee.

"Froch is known for his recovery ability and the incredible punishment he can take"

Yeah and Groves shouldve been allowed to show his recovery ability  and what punishment he can take but he never got that chance did he!

Would love to see Froch fight Golovkin. Will never happen though.

Nov 24, 2013 -- 12:21AM, thefarmer wrote:

Would love to see Froch fight Golovkin. Will never happen though.

behave

golovkin would finish froch.  Have no doubt in my mind he would carry the power as he steps up - special fighter.

Can see Froch giving up one of his belts allowing Groves to fight for the vacant belt hence avoiding the rematch,hand picking a couple of ageing opponents then retiring.Think he'll be avoiding young speedy fighters for the rest of his career which can't last 2 more fights.

froch was beating exposed fighters be honest

I think this fight showed us, how one sided a fight with joe would of been

Nov 24, 2013 -- 12:16AM, Jimmy Diamond wrote:

and the end of a round does not signify that a fighter is going to be recovered at the start of the next round. using the defense that the round was nearly over when the knockdown happened to suggest he could hang on to till the end of the round only gives credence to the idea that he actually was very hurt when the knockdown happened. so there's another contradiction Not really Razz, Froch is known for his recovery ability and the incredible punishment he can take. Was he out on his feet in round 2???? Not at all, lost round 2 for sure but wasnt on the edge of getting stopped.Groves was getting weaker from 7 onwards and Froch had took massive punishment and was still piling forward........poor stoppage but only 1 or 2 shots early.

ecaxtly! froch's chin is incredible and the fact that groves knocked him down like that makes it undeniable that froch was in trouble. the memory loss he had probabbly came from that. serious brain trauma results in concussions like that. that is not just massive trouble in the fight (as proved by not only the memory loss but frochs legs when he stood up), but massive trouble medically as well

Yeah and Groves shouldve been allowed to show his recovery ability  and what punishment he can take but he never got that chance did he!

indeed.

froch's chin holding up(for the most part) does NOT mean that he wasn't in trouble. shots like he was taking are are incredibly damaging to a persons quality of life in the long run. a good chin should not be used as defense of him being in trouble or not(in this case at least), judging by the end of the fight the ref put more emphasis on a fighter being able to take punch than a fighter landing punches which is plain stupid imo

You wonder how much belief Groves will have for a rematch.

Groves fought to the absolute best of his abilities and although ahead on points, he couldn't stop Froch. Even if it wasn't stopped early, he was done and it would have been over eventually.

Before the fight, he genuinely believed he could knock Froch out or stop him. Now he's tried and failed. Can he truly make himself believe again that he can overcome Froch?

Agree treble, all this talk of Groves will be better next time, can't see it.

Agreed.

froch getting older will give him more confidence, with more discipline he could of hung in there a lot better in the later rounds, dunno if he will improve much but his gameplan sure will. i think he can take a lot of positives out of this, so much so he might have more belief than he did this time. personally i think froch might of stopped him eventually if it continued but you can't say that like it's a fact. only groves knows how hurt he was at the end. if there is a rematch groves's confidence going into it might determine the answer to that

I would beg steal and borrow to back Froch @ 4/6 in a rematch.

and so it begins....ladbrokes up with the rematch. Froch 1/2 draw 33 Groves 6/4....

IMO a lot of people have lumped on Froch @1/4 expecting an easy night's work , and feeling a little silly about that given the course of the fight are now having to justify themselves by arguing that the outcome was inevitable , even if it had been a little later

They got lucky

V good point Tober. The problem with discussing any sporting event at this forum is that u don't know whose opinion is clouded by what they have bet and not what has actually played out.

Never in any doubt

I have to say for me Groves possibly threw it away. He was perfect for 5 or 6 rounds until he decided he wanted to go toe to toe. He was in control keeping it at range picking Froch off. Fair play to Froch he realised he didn't have the footwork to get close to Groves so accepted his best opportunity was to let Groves hit him with the right hand get over confident and then come banging back. At the end of the 6th or 7th you could see Groves visibly start to tire. Foster couldn't wait to jump in (nice one Howard) but if you watch the round again earlier he got caught with a massive shot which shook him to his boots. Froch may have finished him off anyway but no one knows.

I do wonder if Froch should maybe call time. He's been in some massive wars and there's only so many times you can get caught flush before serious damage could be done. As I said for me he had to put his jaw there for the taking in front of Groves to get him to engage and that can't be a good thing.

I also wonder if Groves is slightly flattered by the performance. Yes he showed good movement and power but it's not everyday he'll face someone who looked so slow with their hands at their waist. You could see why Booth and Groves believed he was made for him.


If I was Froch I wouldn't go anywhere near a rematch.

Indeed , and as you might have guessed  i did back Groves.

Arguing about the stoppage is one thing , but saying that even if it had carried on from there , and even if Groves had got through the round , Froch was always going to stop him eventually  is just people trying to convince themselves that their winning bet was a good bet , when rationally they should be admitting they got out of jail there.

Yes Froch is not beaten till he's beaten and he could still have won in the 11th/12th even if Groves was looking fresh in the 9th  . But we don't know that would have happened . And people are disregarding any capacity that Groves has for recovery .... he was in a worse state vs Kenny Anderson and not only recovered bt knocked him out a couple of rounds later .

I would not be backing Froch at 1/2 now to win a possible rematch unless you don't like money. Any rematch would surely be on Groves terms. Froch needs a rematch more than Groves. If a rematch did happen the fact that Groves would even take a rematch would make him favourite in my book. The mistake anyone betting Froch at 1/2 bow for a rematch would be to think the same two boxers will be stepping into the ring for any rematch.

I have to say as well Jim Watt's commentary has never bothered me before but that was a total disgrace and hopefully the last we'll hear of him. He was so bias toward Groves it was unreal. Him and Halling kept mentioning Froch should be deducted points without once commenting once on Groves use of the head.

tobermory

I can't remember the round but the knockdown against Anderson was early if memory serves me right. Tonight he seemed to me to be tiring from about the sixth and quite markedly so during the eighth. He could have weathered the storm but the visual impression I got was that he was finished when the ref stepped in. That isn't to say that the ref couldn't have given him a bit longer to confirm it.

Noticed on Sky that Adam Booth was comforting George after the fight.
Judging by his reaction at ringside the split must have had an affect, though he could`nt admit it pre-fight. Anyone think they will ever get back together?

Think your bang on Tober. Nobody knows what would have happened without the ridiculous stoppage. Froch may have had him down and out and we would be hailing him as a fantastic champion for turning around the fight or Groves may have recovered to win the fight showing that he can also come back from a solid shot and we would be hailing him as the future of British boxing. Instead the ref **** everyone by his ridiculous decision to step in.

The frustrating thing is before the fight one  of the big questions was whether Groves would be able to take Frochs big shots when he did manage to land. Would he be able to take them and recover or would Froch have him out of there when he did manage to land? Most people thought it would be earlier than that but that was one of the main questions. We never got the chance to find out because the first time Froch had him in trouble the ref used it as an excuse to jump in which makes the whole fight pointless.

groves was in total control rom the 1st bell,the fight was stopped because froch couldent of won,a fight for the wwf fans,boxing stinks,it was a world title fight for ffs.

he wasnt in total control in the 2nd half the fight, dont be ridiculous. the ref(bent promoter) robbed everyone of a satisfactory conclusion.

Apart from the commentary ,I enjoyed the fight .I put my hands up and admit I was wrong about Groves . I think it was an excellent performance from the lad.Froch showed what a tough man he is .It's a shame it ended that way . As for two of the judges ... well I'm not too sure they were watching the same fight as me.

Couldn't hear the commentary the pub was packed but that has to be the worst decision I've seen in British boxing. Well never know who would have won but I'd have my last penny on groves in a rematch, froch looked like he knew he'd got out of jail in the interview.

Massive respect to groves I thought he fought a great fight, to be beaten in that manner must be gut wrenching.

Groves stated on Sky Sports that he would`nt change anything for a possible rematch and that his working relationship with Adam Booth is over.
I dont see it happening in the immediate future.
Froch probably has 2 more fights left in him max, not sure what boxing politics would allow at this point but Id imagine he would want a 3rd tear up with Kessler as his next outing if possible?
Groves could take on a fight at top level in the interim then if both were successful they could fill a major sporting arena on ppv with Eddie Hearn on a real earner further down the line.

mac and blackburn

At the age of 36 I wonder how much last night's fight will take out Froch long term ... Like any fighter I wouldn't like him to overstay his welcome health wise.

Groves certainly deserves another crack at someone elite level.

Now I'm just asking a question here but psychologically do you think last night's contraversial ending (plus the emotional pre fight build up) will have any long term affect of Groves ?

i really cant see a rematch, if anything froch will retire

ya i was thinking that myself. hell retire. two judges had the fight level after 9 and any1 cud see the last 3 would go to froch. the ref cud have waited a bit longer but groves had lost his grip on the fight and no way he could have turned it around. think the two judges who only had groves 1 up are a joke.

Something has to surely be done about these Hearn promotions but I doubt anything will.

Having watched the fight again I gave Groves rounds 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 - 6 to Froch, 7 to Groves, 8 just to Froch

With the 10-8 round that's a 5 point difference and because the rounds were pretty clear I doubt many people had it much different. To have 2 judges having Groves ONE point up is nothing short of scandalous.

Round 6 is where the fight started to change imo. Groves either through tiredness/bravado dropping his hands on the ropes giving Froch the opportunity to start landing. I'd say it was tiredness although he won the next mostly because Froch done nothing but again in the 8th he looked to be feeling the pace. The 9th he got caught with a big shot that seemed to shake him up and he got caught 2 or 3 times flush on the ropes. The stoppage was ridiculous but Froch was coming on strong and Groves was starting to get ragged and hit hard. Who knows what would of happened if it carried on.

The sad thing is all this has overshadowed a fantastic fight.

46 boxing journalists and writers scored the fight and only 1 had it 76-75 at time of stoppage. Most had Groves 3 or 4 up and some made it 5 or 6. So 46 independent judges see it like this but the 3 actually judging the fight don't

At some point someone is going to blow the lid off of a load of dodgy dealings in boxing I'm afraid

Sad thing is though lads,this dodgy scoring is nothing new,and I don't think any amount of exposees in the newspapers,documentaries, whatever, are going to change a thing.

As Bert Sugar used to say ,"It's all about the money"

Getting back to Froch,I wonder how much input Rob McCracken will have into Carl's future ie would Carl listen to him if Rob said to him one day in the not too distant future,come on son enough's enough.

Interesting to see the reaction we get from groves, he looked understandably gutted, only he knows how badly hurt he was when it was stopped.

No idea about froch's finances but I doubt he'd be able to turn down a rematch and it could sell out anywhere after last night. Knowing boxers his ego will want to prove the ref was right and his connections will dangle all sorts of carrots.

I'd predict a rematch in the spring with groves to win

Steve, McCracken would be on a nice % in a rematch, those sort of pay days don't come along too often. A sell out on ppv at somewhere like the 02 would be massive for British boxing, it will happen

froch is very well off, he has said all his money has been wisely invested so hes not fighting for money.

same thing would happen tho. thats the problem. thats why i dont even want to see a rematch.even if groves had backed off from rounds 8 onwards he still would have lost on the cards. they should have 6 or 7 judges or something and average it out i dont know but its crazy the things that are happening.

StevieB     24 Nov 13 14:32 
mac and blackburn

At the age of 36 I wonder how much last night's fight will take out Froch long term ... Like any fighter I wouldn't like him to overstay his welcome health wise.

Groves certainly deserves another crack at someone elite level.

Now I'm just asking a question here but psychologically do you think last night's contraversial ending (plus the emotional pre fight build up) will have any long term affect of Groves ?

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Stevie, its difficult to say how it will affect Groves mentally long term?
He seems to be extraordinarily strong in that dept for a 25yr old man however.
My main concern for him is that he learns from his mistakes on the night and thinks about what he may have done differently.
He needs to accept that whilst he has concussive punching power which would put most men down/away, when you have the boxing ability he has, its sometimes best not to go full on with hard men like Froch.
I really like him as a fighter, if he works hard at his training and keeps improving he will obviously be more than a handful for the best in the division.
Its up to him though, nothing is given in boxing.
I remember when Don King was in his heyday they used to call the judges at his promotions " All The Kings Men"

Very well done macyheknife.

I was reading ur views before this fight and agreed with every word u said about the fight.

U read it perfectly. 

And u would have been paid in any other sport.


By the way lads, noway was groves hurt at the stoppage, he may have been hurt 30 secs earlier wen froch landed a cracker to the temple but had recovered.  Only reason he got hit with the 2 punches is cus he was himself firing back and regained his sense and would surly have held his way at least to the end of round.


Reason y I think ref robbed groves of victory was because froch himself was dead tired himself

Cheers Carlos,

Paddy Fitzpatrick on Sky.

http://www1.skysports.com/frochgroves/story/29800/9040109/paddy

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/10830928.FROCH_VS_GROVES__Swindon_s...

Various press scoring of the fight:


Wolfgand Schiffbauer (Sturm-Promotions) : 78-73 Groves
Corey Quincy (BL Boxing) : 78-73 Groves
Cliff Rold (BoxingScene) : 78-73 Groves
Boxing Opinions : 78-73 Groves
Daniel Vano (CheckHookBoxing) : 77-74 Groves
Adam Abramowitz (SaturdayNight Boxing) : 77-74 Groves
Shaun Brown (Boxing-Monthly) : 78-73 Groves
Alex Morris (BoxingAsylum) : 78-73 Groves
Mike Coppinger (USA Today) : 77-74 Groves
Dan Rafael (ESPN) : 79-72 Groves
John Wharton (Brit Box Magazine) : 78-73 Groves
Phil D Jay (WorldBoxingNews) : 78-73 Groves
Matt Christie (Boxing News) : 78-74 Groves
David Greisman (BoxingScene) : 77-74 Groves
Ron Lewis (The Times) : 77-74 Groves
Tim Starks (The Queensberry Rules) : 78-73 Groves
Kurt Ward (BoxingAsylum) : 78-73 Groves
Billy Ferguson (UKFighthype) : 79-72 Groves
The Boxing Tribune : 78-73 Groves
Danny Flexen (Boxing News) : 77-74 Groves
Paul Daley (TopClassBoxing) : 78-73 Groves
Rachel Aylett (RingNews24) : 78-74 Groves
Steve Bunce (Boxnation TV) : 78-73 Groves
Alex Marasco (TopClassBoxing) : 79-71 Groves
Jamie Borne (TopClassBoxing) : 78-73 Groves
Stevie Adams (TopClassBoxing) : 78-73 Groves
Jim Watt (Sky Sports TV) : 78-73 Groves
Victor M Salazar (ThaBoxingVoice) : 78-73 Groves
Pro Boxing Fans.com : 77-74 Groves
Steve Kim (Maxboxing) : 78-73 Groves
Ryan Bivins (SweetBoxing) : 78-73 Groves
ForzaBoxing : 78-73 Groves
Lyle Fitzsimmons (BoxingScene) : 76-75 Groves
Ciaran Shanks (Irvine Times) : 79-72 Groves
Matthew Mojica (TheFightSource) : 77-74 Groves
Corey Erdman (Wealth TV) : 78-73 Groves
Darren Velasco (FightDomain) : 77-74 Groves
FightHype.com : 78-73 Groves
Christopher Carlson (RopeaDopeRadio) : 78-73 Groves
Ryan Maquinana (BoxingScene) : 77-74 Groves
UKFighthype.com :78-73 Groves
Kasim Aslam (UKFighthype) : 78-73 Groves
FightScene SouthAfrica : 78-73 Groves
Ramon Aranda (3MoreRounds) : 77-74 Groves
BoxingSocialist.com : 77-74 Groves
Beau Denison (TheBoxingTruth) : 78-74 Groves

the stoppage from the reverse angle...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ1Sk_WNw6Y

a terrible stoppage?

Not for my money, a touch premature maybe but Groves was turning away arms limp by his sides, I can see why Foster jumped in.

Like many thousands of others, I was shocked by the suddenness of the refs intervention.
The 2 judges who had Groves 1pt ahead at the time should`nt be let near a boxing event, they are either incompetent or worse.

Looking back on this thread fair play to you mac you called it just about spot on. I'll need to pay more attention to your opinions.

Still be laughing at the Gers though

Mac definitely made me eat humble pie.

well Mac's faith that Groves could cut it at the top level was certainly proved correct. I really didn't think he was ready for it and well, maybe he still wasn't quite in the end.

It's also worth mentioning that the 1st round kd must have massively affected Froch's performance. Really it was a miracle he got up it looked like the lights were out till he hit the canvas. A concussive blow like that has to affect your performance.

Even though Groves turned away that was nothing new , he had done it on a few occasions during the fight when escaping.

I agree with Wallis.

Got to feel for George.

http://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqIm5lpNSBn8AbbV2BQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBzdmtvYW9lBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDBGdwb3MDMjA-?p=george+groves+v+Froch+youtube&vid=64d009aa52c5d4f43f168879c4992d45&l=7%3A36&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DVJ.345293980059%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DkXw3oYKKN3A&tit=GEORGE+GROVES+POST+FIGHT+INTERVIEW+%2F+REACTION+TO+FROCH+v+...&c=19&sigr=11a74ljqt&sigt=11sb9t6ts&age=0&hsimp=yhs-004&hspart=Babylon&tt=b