Joshua - total daylight robbery LOL.

Agree. Thought Joshua won the last but NOT by 3. Feel sorry for the game Italian

Lost to the cuban and lost today but gets Gold, olympics been awful for boxing fans.

The media will hype it up however and wont mention the shocking results

Cammarelle fought well.... but to call it daylight robbery is a little OTT. It was a close fight, check the Gvozdyk bout if you need clarification in defining "robbery".

Agree Henry14, definitely lost against the Cuban.

No one thought Joshua won.

He nicked the last round that was dominated by holding, they were both exhausted.

No one on the planet other than the corrupt judges could give the final round by 3 to Joshua.

Khan thought Joshua won comfortably, says it all, he is clinically thick.

Yeah Kahm has clearly taken too many shots to the head, infact He still thinks he is a good boxer

Mullah, I traded Cammarelle, green on him.

All I am saying is that I have seen worse!

So you think Joshua lost the 2nd by 2 and the Italian won the 3rd then Ommie? Result could have gone either way and not the worst decision by a long long long way. I thought he lost his first fight though.

People with a clue about how the scoring works know if a contest is tight and could go either way.

There have been some disgraceful scoring and that super heavy final was a very poor one.

The Italian won, I know it you know it, every boxing judge knows it and Joshua would know it.

OOH ! AH JOSHUA !  OOH! AAH ! JOSHUA !!!

Poor Mullah has has his bank mullered. Joshua won the fight. Dry yer eyes.

Def not pocket talking then?

AGREE BRAINS DONE AND SEEETHING !!!

Was a close fight, couldn't argue either way

joshua isnt going to do sod all as a pro. poor boxing skills

that gvosdyk farce cost me bigtime

joshua isnt going to do sod all as a pro. poor boxing skills

Woulda have to agree, would fear for the agogo lad more though, got rocked a through times during the olympics, could be lights out against a decent puncher and no head gear. Hopefully they get hyped and eventually we get some nice odds on their opponents

yecudnt agree more

henry14
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joshua isnt going to do sod all as a pro. poor boxing skills

Woulda have to agree, would fear for the agogo lad more though, got rocked a through times during the olympics, could be lights out against a decent puncher and no head gear. Hopefully they get hyped and eventually we get some nice odds on their opponents


LOL Brilliant. Silver in the World s Gold in the Olympics clearly shoite

Where did I say he was ****?? I just dont think he will achieve tonnes in the pros, even with the state of the division at the moment I think several would prove to good for him, besides the gold was won based on being the home fighter not skill levels

"Isnt gonna do sod all in the pros poor boxing skills" No you didnt say he was shoite at all. Good that you ntuned in just for 9 minutes of the bloke's career though you can alaway base an opinion of a fighter on just three rounds. He won today should never ever of been down going into the 3rd

Why do people do that? If you don't know anything about electricals you aren't going to tell someone how to rewire a house are you? How anybody can say Joshua won't do anything in the pros based on his performances at these games is beyond me. He clearly has a good work ethic, doesn't seem the type to get carried away with his own aura, judged on the way the olympic champion was hanging on for dear life in the final 3 minutes and he was moving him around at will he must have good strength and his all round conditioning or engine must be decent seeing as he was the only one throwing punches in the last round. Throw in he put the chinese lad down with a legit punch so must carry some power.

Yep I can see why he will be just another bum in the pros.

Isnt gonna do sod all in the pros poor boxing skill

I simply agreed with this statement, I also told people early on his career that Kahn would get found out and he has immense skills just lacks a brain. I dont think josh has '****' skills but he is hardly what you would call a skillful boxer is he

Ofcourse you would know how much of his career I have seen, well done for knowing me so well. Finally wheather you think he won today or not is irrelevent, we both know he got outclassed by the cuban and doesnt deserve gold

You like him so much, back him if and when he goes pro, I will bide my time wait for him and agogo to fight easy fights build a record and then when they get against a good fighter I will take the tasty odds on the opponent. A bit of patience and im sure it will prove profitable

And he has only had about 40 amateur fights.

For a lad who has been boxing for 4 years he has masses of skills for a boxer.

Power, mobility, speed, balance, size, boxing instincts, cool under pressure.

Loads of improvement to come.

He will be a beast in the pros within 4 years.

BUT he did LOSE that fight and I didnt have a PENNY on.

henry

We all knew early on about Khan's chin but remember that his willingness to apply himself and working with a good trainer took him all the way to a world title despite this limitation. Joshua is a baby in heavyweight terms and has had hardly any career in the amateurs and yet has still won gold. The time to judge how far he is likely to go as a pro will be after a dozen or so fights.

Why do people do that?

So people shouldnt have an opinion or make a prediction. What about promoters? Is it not their job to predict if someone could make it in the pros or not? Is them being right or wrong not how they make their living?

Its a boxing forum people are going to give opinions, well done to the lad, all im saying is I personally dont think he will achieve much in the pro's, good luck to him I hope he proves me wrong, but this is a boxing forum and Im giving an opinion. I would rather read what people think than the constant nut hugging of certain fighters

And lets not forget recent olympics successes like harrison and kahn who both got found out at top level

Yeah HUGE respect for getting where he has within such a small period of time

`I also told people early on his career that Kahn would get found out'.

I take it you have gone skint taking him on then?

From that early career he has gone on to make many millions and become a world champion.

We all knew early on about Khan's chin but remember that his willingness to apply himself and working with a good trainer took him all the way to a world title despite this limitation. Joshua is a baby in heavyweight terms and has had hardly any career in the amateurs and yet has still won gold. The time to judge how far he is likely to go as a pro will be after a dozen or so fights.

Its an opinion, agree or disagree dont tell someone when he should form an opinion. I could be wrong I could be right but thats what I feel atm

Lets be honest Kahn got found out before facing the elite fighters, he got their despite his limitation cus he is marketable

As for Josh huge respect for doing what he has in such a short period of time but please put won in little coma's, he was never going to be allowed to get anything else after getting the decision against the cuban.

I wish him luck despite my beliefs' he wont be major

I also told people early on his career that Kahn would get found out'.

I take it you have gone skint taking him on then?

From that early career he has gone on to make many millions and become a world champion

Go skint on Kahn?? He is normally stupid odds, you only need to have laid him one or two fights and you be in profit. Dont kid yourself, Kahn has immense natural talent but not the brain to use it. Is and never will be top level

Any kahn fan should be thankful he didnt fight the Garcia fight the way he should of, because if he won and got the mayweather fight it would of been Floyd v gatti all over again but much more brutal as Kahn cant take punishment like Gatti

To be fair to Joshua he won the aba's 3 years ago in his 1st year. Only man to beat cammerealie for quite last year in major championships and his done it again today.

Fair play to him. Skills are good but not polished at all. That's only cus his not been boxing for long

Patently that is nonsense. He was, wrongly in my view, 3 points down going into the 3rd round. That is how the judges saw it. So to suggest that the fix was in is ludicrous. Had he been battered in that 3rd there is no way they could have given it to him given that the Italian was comfortably ahead.

he has a horribly inaffective jab and seems to lack good boxing skills. i get the feeling hes gonna go unbeten for abwt ten then take a few losses thats all. weel see whos right just wait

Time will tell.

Not nonsense at all, he got the homer decision against the cuban, he should of been out at that point. Lets not play dumb, almost every Olympics see's awful decisions and they are often in favour of home fighters. Even some of the greats got screwed such as floyd and who could ever forget poor roy jones jnr?

Don't win a gold medal without skills

One thing about Joshua though, i thought he looked overly muscular for  a boxer which don't help the stamina in the long fights you get as a pro

henry

You've just proven it is nonsense because you are now harking back to his fight against the Cuban. As it happens I also thought he lost that fight though it wasn't a robbery in my view.

tobermory

He has a bit of the Bruno about him in his muscular definition which could be a worry. It'll be interesting to see how he goes.

So a lad who has only been Boxing 4 years and only 42 amatuer fights has twice beaten Caramelle the bloke who iced Price in 2 rounds? i can see where you're coming from that he hasnt got much of a skill set there. For me there is no way he lost today but yeah he lost to the Cuban in the 1st round whose footwork was simply too much for him.

henry

You've just proven it is nonsense because you are now harking back to his fight against the Cuban. As it happens I also thought he lost that fight though it wasn't a robbery in my view.

Its not nonsense at all, any opponent was going to have to almost kill him to get a decision

Of course it is nonsense. The Italian was 3 up going into round 3 which blows your argument clean out of the water.

Not at all, if you dont think to get beaten he had to get beat up beyound recogintion you are deluded.

henry14, it was a close fight. As mentioned before I traded the Italian, green on him alone, I certainly don't feel cheated.
I also mentioned the Gvozdyk fight to provide context. During that bout we witnessed a clinical display by a boxer that failed to get the decision. I suggest you view that fight, perhaps you will not feel that bad about today's bout. 
Your recent remark "any opponent was going to have to almost kill him to get a decision" is just plain naive. I thought it was sarcasm at first, sadly you have substantiated that it is your opinion by making a similar comment.

Close fight, not a robbery by any stretch.

Watch the Juratoni, Vastine or Russo fights if you would like to see a real bent fight in action.

sorry if this is a silly question but what do the judges consider when they say he won it on countback.......i thought as the italian had won the first two rounds that would mean he won 2-1......

henry

My point is that what you are saying would only be logical if Joshua had always been leading. The fact is that the Italian was leading after the first and bizarrely in my view had extended his lead to 3 after the second. Does that suggest to you some kind of shennanigans?

He shouldn't have been 3 clear after the second and then fell in a heap in the third where he hardly threw a punch worthy of the name.

Valleyparade
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Close fight, not a robbery by any stretch.

Watch the Juratoni, Vastine or Russo fights if you would like to see a real bent fight in action.


Dont bring sense onto this thread it s not welcome

The rules for the Olympic Boxing competition were set by the AIBA 

There are five judges

For each round all judges prepare individual scores separately for the Red Boxer and the Blue Boxer.
The individual bout scores in each round are the average of three Judges' score combination which are the closest together called as Similar Scores.
If at the end of a round more than one Similar Score appears, the Trimmed Mean calculation will apply. The Trimmed Mean is when the highest and lowest Individual Scores are taken out and the average of the remaining three Individual Scores are counted."

In case of a tie in the Final Scores:

First, delete the lowest and highest Judges' total scores in each red and blue corner. Then, the winner will be determined by the total scores of the remaining three Judges of each red and blue corner.

Second, in case of a tie after the above process, all five (5) Judges shall be asked to press the button once for the Boxer who has won. The decision is made by the majority of the panel of these five (5) Judges.

If Joshua turns pro, prepare for another Fraudley. The guy was nowhere near the best super heavyweight in a poor division.