Haye Vs Chisora Bets

Kept it simple so far fight not to go distance 6-5

Strongly feel both of saturday's big fights are mismatches.

Already got the haye ko and khan ko covered in a treble.

Also had a reasonable double haye/khan rds 1-6.

Probably going to perm Haye/Khan rounds 1-3 to tiny stakes too.

I could be wrong but from the preview shows it just doesn't look like Chisora is taking the fight seriously to me, wouldn't suprise me at all if he looks in bad nick on the night. He's already massively up against it on the form book so would be madness if he isn't trained to perfection but who knows what goes on in that head.

Agree think Garcia is in way over his head. Khan KO for me as well, as a bit of rnds 1-6

Stayed well away from the Khan Garcia fight. Simply don't know enough about Garcia. Sounds like you guys have it covered so may well follow you. No way Haye and Booth come out of 'retirement' if they aren't totally convinced they can beat Chisora. Interested (as always) to see how (if) Sky Bet price up my fav market - anytime knockdown.

They came out of "retirement" for the sack loads of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ they'll be getting

haye to win will be my ber but getting shorter

HAYE By TKO, round 5 or round 6

Haye or

khan win 1/4
khan ko 7-12 and cover pts.
May do 10-12 ko and pts

I'm going with smido on the haye bet

Had a good think about the heavyweight clash last night. Think Haye's key punch will be the lunging/ reaching lead right straight down the middle. Chisora will of course try to cancel out Haye's work by getting in close as much as possible. There's no way Haye and Booth aren't going to be prepared for Chisora's come forward/ get close strategy. Whether that be punch and run or hold often on the inside. Can just see Chisora getting picked off with single straight shots all night long. Possibly forcing a cornet stoppage as Chisora's face swells badly.

The 4/1 on offer for a Haye stoppage in rounds 7-12 looks pretty decent at this stage as I can't see the Hayemaker charging in for the kill early when Chisora will be dangerous.

A lot of it is about inteligence for me. Haye has the ability to change strategy throughout the fight if need be. Chisora is mad enough to do something daft and can't see him bringing anything to the party we haven't seen from him before.

As many have said before - cracking fight just a shame what events have lead to the fight.

Yes that's bang on, haye will be going for the lunging straight right through the middle but I'm expecting chisora to make haye miss with quite a few of them with the peek a boo defence he usedto great effect v vitali. Of course hate is much faster, but lovly motion from chisora wen slipping the right just like Frazier. Of course not as quick or good but still a good tactic which might see him land a good left hook.

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Had a good think about the heavyweight clash last night. Think Haye's key punch will be the lunging/ reaching lead right straight down the middle. Chisora will of course try to cancel out Haye's work by getting in close as much as possible. There's no way Haye and Booth aren't going to be prepared for Chisora's come forward/ get close strategy. Whether that be punch and run or hold often on the inside. Can just see Chisora getting picked off with single straight shots all night long. Possibly forcing a cornet stoppage as Chisora's face swells badly.

The 4/1 on offer for a Haye stoppage in rounds 7-12 looks pretty decent at this stage as I can't see the Hayemaker charging in for the kill early when Chisora will be dangerous.

A lot of it is about inteligence for me. Haye has the ability to change strategy throughout the fight if need be. Chisora is mad enough to do something daft and can't see him bringing anything to the party we haven't seen from him before.

As many have said before - cracking fight just a shame what events have lead to the fight.


Good summary Smido. Only thing I will add is that only a idiot wouldnt get prepared for Chisora's "style". The big negative though is the Haye camp have never believed in roadwork hence why he blows out of his backside after six. This is the only thing what would put me off backing Haye. No roadwork for me is just plain stupid, obviously you've also got to worry if his toes hold up

for me its all about which haye turns up the brawler in the press room (wheelbarrow job) or the ive got a broken toe dont want to know haye
hopefully its the pressroom haye 
in my opinion haye was ridiculed after the klitschko fight and rightly so but i reckon it must of hurt him big time and come saturday if he puts on a show and knocks delboy out all will be forgotten im backing haye for the early stoppage 1-6 with a few quid more on 3and4 but like i said thats just my opinion of the fight

do you guys reckon Haye hits harder than Helenius,Fury ,Vitali then...

Haye cant punch wont stop him how does he win ??

unless loony tunes does something looney i think its a chisora round 9

Vitali I'd say no. Fury I'm certain he does, Helenius probably not. But has I've always said with Haye it s the shot you dont see what KO'S you or drops you much like Manny's power.
If we go into the 2nd half of the fight saturday and Haye hasnt casued big damage I think he's in trouble

haye cant punch

Not sure how you've come to that conclusion? Perhaps it's the 85% ko ratio? Or the way he put Ruiz on his arse with the first punch of the fight? Or the way he had Valuev doing the chicken dance in round 12?

Fair enough the concussive one punch ko power might not be there at heavyweight but he can certainly still punch. They'll certainly be faster punches than Helenius, Fury and old man Vitali threw.

Half the problem with Haye at heavyweight has been his caution and reluctance to get hit by the real big lumps like Valuev and Wlad...I just don't see that Del Boy has the power to keep him in his shell. Chisora to be dropped multiple times for a tko type stoppage for me.

Some cracking debate here lads. Plenty of for and against. Can't see Chisora being knocked down if honest and don't really buy this stamina argument with Haye. The one and only time he gassed in my book was way back against Mr Thompson in 2004.
Like Pairs' point about Haye out to make a point and repair reputation. This isn't the end result for Haye and wouldn't come out of 'retirement' just for Del Boy.

Does Haye still have doubts about his stamina? He never seems to fight at a high tempo. He was very reluctant for 2 rounds against Fraudley until he realised there was no danger, was happy to cruise against Ruiz and Valuev, never tried to get Klitschko out of his rythem. Is he a genuine Heavy ? His record flatters to deceive - Ruiz was past it, Barret a small heavy oft beaten, Farudley (say no more), Valuez a slow, limited, plodding 312 lb lump. As highlighted above, Chisora has stood up to the elder Klitschko and Fury for 12 rounds when overweight by almost 2 stone, He will probably weigh in fit at 240 lbs to Hayes 217. If Haye doesn't go to work on him early and inflict some damage, Chisora may well be the man getting stronger as this wears on. I don't see much value in Haye.

what time do you all think this fight will actually start then?

Warren says they have to be out of Upton Park by 11:30pm so will be finished before then.

good debate here. Feel Haye will have to much class for Chisora and if he gets in and out with his shots without letting chisora steam roller into him up close all the time he could have the big man down within 7.

Even though Haye had a poor showing v klits he went the full 12 rounds against the supposed best in the world so there cant really be to much doubts on his stamina if you are thinking of this before possibly punting on Haye if this does going into the later rounds.

One things for sure haye will certainly be better conditioned than Chisora who could barely stand towards the end of his slug fest v fury

I would like to take issue there. Haye may look better but this aint a weight lifting contest Chisora has greater stamina than Haye cos he actually does roadwork. There is no way Haye would of survived the Klitschko Chisora pace.
Watch the Ruiz fight to see Haye's stamina issues

I personally think Haye is too short based on what we have seen. Sure he's the better skilled fighter and deserves to be favourite but when Chisora gets his act together he can really give people problems, i.e Vitali, Helenius....... That was Vitali's hardest test for years and even though he's getting on a bit he wasnt comfortable in there at any point during the whole 12 rounds.

If Del Boy can bring that again i can see him giving Haye plenty of problems especially if the fight goes long. Booth better have a strategy for keeping Derek off because he's going to be coming all night. So how will Chisora stad up to Haye's punches, that is unknown for me as he looks to have a solid chin but he's not been in with a speedster like Haye before.

Out of all the bets for this fight id say the 'not to go distance' looks best at 11/10.

Hearing unconfirmed reports that this fight is a 10 rounder. It's not on BoxRec at all so need to hear it from the horses mouth to confirm or not confirm.

usually they tag on some mickey mouse belt to make it a 'title' fight and go the 12 rounds

It s a 10 rounder

Hmmm, this could get messy re bets already placed seeing as it was priced up as a 12 rounder.

10 rounder! Your joking . It hadnt even entered my head that it would be.

Would be interested to know who pushed harder for it to be so......... not sure the bookies will be upto speed on it either so could be some argueing over the bets here.......didnt we have a fight the other week with a bit of controversy over it being 10 and some bets being voided.

alabaster crashes down     11 Jul 12 21:46  
Hmmm, this could get messy re bets already placed seeing as it was priced up as a 12 rounder.



Wat know. I too was under the impression it was a 12 rounder

Just spoke to Hills they said they would contact me when they get it confirmed but it is a 10rounder. Warren confirmed it

This is certainly gona get messy now.

All bets placed from
now should surly stand.

Dnt know wars gobs happen to the previous bets.


The fight could be closer than 1st thought. Think chisora is gona go mental and he looks very true

****ing nuisance this is. Shouldn't really have any bearing on my bets but have to do a load of ringing round tomorrow now to confirm they stand. Some accounts not in my name too (you know how it is)...pain in the arse.

Feel Alabaster's pain RE accounts not in his name lol

How the f*ck can a fight like this only be a 10 rounder, Warren will get some stick and rightly so.

10 rounds? WTF?

Dnt know where 10 rounds came from???

Chisora true to his words looks fantatic. No messing about and totaly serious. Am suprised. His come to win.

this fight is only 10 rounds?

surely that's better for Haye then?

I'm going to keep this short and sweet if Tyson Fury can beat Del boy and god that fight was awful... Haye is going to bring the pain and knock this fool down for the second time.

Haye "A fight the public demanded" yeah keep telling yourself that

Victor c have kindly voided my haye/khan round doubles so no problem putting them back on the made market.

No joy with Betfred though who have voided the haye leg of my proksa/haye/khan ko treble...bit harsh I thought seeing as I was the one losing the value now it's ten rounds.

Anyone heard anything from sporting bet? I

Hills gonna decide in the next half hour. Haye weighed 210lbs Chisora 247lbs

Bets void with 365, Boyle, Betfred. Ladbrokes standing bets by the sounds of it. Just got off the phone to Boyle and was told bets from now on will stand (market revised). Their 15/8 on a Haye KO is by far the top price and needs smashing into. Betfair suspended by the way.

"Smashing into" Fair play mate for having such a string opinion. Wouldnt touch it with a bargepole though, espcially with Haye's weight

Not only do I think Haye will stop Chisora but I think the 15/8 will be a trade when Betfair reopen.

Dont trade mate. Row in brother, who likes a trade? Trading is for girls

anyone got any idea what price Freds were the Haye ko before they revised the market? Tempted to give them another call and try to argue the case for my treble. 5/4 now if that's bigger than they were before they realised it was 10 rounds you'd think I'd have a case. I took 7/4 in good faith last week...getting narked now there's f all value left anywhere.

SportingBet seem to be completely oblivious to the issue still offering 12 round markets... obviously no chance of them paying out on grouped rounds 1-6 now though.

If Boxrec hadn't childishly removed the fight from their schedule none of this would be necessary, probably the only site the traders use.

They do still payout on rounds 1-6 mate. Least they did for Sexton V Larry earlier on in the year when that was a 8 rounder

just spoke to a live chat agent, they were clueless as you'd expect, 'gone to wake up a trader and emailing me back later.

I'm having teh same pathetic aggro with Hills now mate

when I rang Freds this morning the operator asked me if Haye had won by Ko

**** 15/8 on the KO is now 5/4. Not getting done over this time as have been on live chat. It will stand. Book revised around 4pm. My bet placed at 5:12pm. That's where the 'smashing into' comment came from SJ.

F00ks wish I hadn't bet on this fight now. 

It's getting f00Ked up this. Bookies need to be consistant. All bookies should void or let bets stand.

This is working out very nicely for tge bookies who offered 8/15 outright tax free. Now all those people who took 8/15 and 1/2 must now settle for a best price 2/5ish.

Disgusting.

And sj trading ain't for gyals, is it

Glad people didnt take my "trading for girls" too seriously

This will either be Haye on points or Chisora TKO..If Chisora deals with Hayes power early, he could be in for a very tricky night...Rumour has it there fighting in a smaller ring 2, so Chisora could walk through the featherdustermaker late on and stop him..Also wouldnt rule out a DQ in this fight with these two clowns previous antics.

SJ personally think Hay a complete fraud = wanna bak Chis = dont know any1 in camp re sparring

SJ personally think Hay a complete fraud = wanna bak Chis = dont know any1 in camp re sparring

Not sure how you've come to that conclusion? Perhaps it's the 85% ko ratio? Or the way he put Ruiz on his arse with the first punch of the fight? Or the way he had Valuev doing the chicken dance in round 12?

Fair enough the concussive one punch ko power might not be there at heavyweight but he can certainly still punch. They'll certainly be faster punches than Helenius, Fury and old man Vitali threw.

Half the problem with Haye at heavyweight has been his caution and reluctance to get hit by the real big lumps like Valuev and Wlad...I just don't see that Del Boy has the power to keep him in his shell. Chisora to be dropped multiple times for a tko type stoppage for me.

Pete Mcneeley has a 66% ko percentage, lets look at the facts he has Ruiz on his arse in the first as the speed clearly troubled ruiz but it was the towel that brought an end to the fight not the hayemaker.

Valuev lets have this right captain caveman wasnt a good fighter Haye hit him and he wobbled no biggie. still the moster punch doesnt stop someone.

So wheres the evidence he can hurt chiosra ?

I've already said I'm not convinced he has the one punch ko power at heavyweight..that doesn't mean he can't hurt Chisora...the same speed that troubled Ruiz will catch Del Boy off guard too. As for Valuev, not many others have wobbled him have they? Haye can punch, madness to say he can't imo. Whether or not Chisora can take those punches is where you pay your money and take your choice innit?

Speed will kill Chisora. Absolutely convinced of it. Haye will pepper Chisora with single shots and bash Chisora's face up. I've had a small go on Haye to win by retired opponent at 20/1. The key to the fight is what happens on the inside - Haye will hope very little, Chisora will look to do the bulk of his work and damage on the inside. How will Haye and Booth deal with it? I'm interested to find out.

Haye cant fight on the inside like you say he's clueless. I'm guessing they'll just tie up there. I think Haye's key punch is sliding the uppercut through after setting him up with the jab

could be fixed--like munich

no bet

I am expecting a rather boring affair with both boxers underperforming and I would not be surprised to see it decided on points which would favour Haye as he should deliver more scoring blows. However before I commit to having a bet does anybody have an update on the little toe or in fact any of the associated piggy’s.

Its only fair that we have confirmation that his plates of meat are in tip top condition as they are obviously paramount to him throwing a telling punch!

I'm laying the haye tko/ko all night can't say i'm hugely confident I just want to quit my job asap

I have taken this double - haye 4/11 to win, and khan 5/4 by ko. It pays just over 2/1.

Shame they both can't lose but most likely Haye on points.

Haye to be knocked down 9/2, Chisora to win in rounds 7,8,9 all 66/1..Double Haye points, Khan KO

Anyone on the draw?

If Klitschko couldn't stop Chisora I just can't see a Haye KO win. My only bet in this fight will be to lay the Haye KO win.

I feel Haye is capable of flooring Chisora but he will not put himself in the position to do so. The fact is both men are warriors but they also have the inabilty to put everything on the line for the win.

^^^ David Haye a warrior!!! See his last fight.

Chisora straight up. Chisora on points. Lay Haye KO. Haye history at heavy is very conservative. If Vitali cant dent Chisora chin not sure how Haye can

Klitschko just walks around with his arm in the air for 36 mins to win on points, he's not exactly Mike Tyson. Fully expect Haye to seriously embarrass Chisora for a carthorse tonight.

HAd a dream last night, remember it very distinctly. Haye K'O'd Del Boy in the 9th round so worth a tenner at 36's.

Its going to be a TOE! tal meltdown

He glassed me!!!! He glassed me!!!

I will literally shoot David Haye!!!

Im going to physically burn him!! Will be interesting to see if they hug and make up after this fight

No chance both ****s tbf

Hope this gives us a good laugh at least

t o s s e r s

Can't see Haye being able to knock Chisora out.  Most likely Haye on points imo, but hoping that Chisora can win by KO.

what time will this be onb lads??In work so looking to watch online

Should be on their way to the ring in 5 minutes

going with haye to knock chisora out early, think haye is different class to chisora

Can never take Hayes entrance music seriously now Aint toe stopping us now

Good opener

Well done Smido. You was adamant mate. Happy with my fight no distance at 6-5 roll on Khan.

Bring on one of the statues now. Haye now knows he can take a punch at heavyweight, he won't be beaten again.

Cracking fight.

sportingbet have honoured my Haye rnd 1-6.

Be nice if Khan can emulate him now.

Thanks SJ. Will be honest and say i got away with one here. Honestly thought my bet (Haye KO) was a loser after 2 or 3 rounds. Thought Haye was too slow and got caught a few times. Or well a wins a win.
Also surprised Boyle paid out on my 15/8 which I placed Thursday evening and it was 5/4 in line with everyone else within minutes.
Haye has just gone on my vulnerable list for future betting.
Maybe my opinion will change when I watch the replay but I wasn't too impressed first time round.

some nice calls on this thread

thx gents

some shocking calls too! Noticably mine with Khan! Ha ha, first time I've ever backed him aswell.

just digging up this old thread after reading an interesting post on boxrec. One of the lads off there had his Haye inside the distance bets voided when the fight was changed to a 10 rounder, as many of us on here did. Anyway he took it to IBAS and they found in his favour and he's just been paid out. Probably too late now but worth noting for future reference. Bet was with Boyles in his case.