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GB sires 2023
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Blue Point is clear top of the newcomers with 39 GB wins so far in 2023 compared to Havana Grey's first season total of 54 and Harry Angel 30 so with 3 months left, Blue Point is right up there with the best from last year.
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Mehmas can’t believe how that has dropped off and doesn’t seem to have many new horses or winners, thought that was going to be the next champion sire in waiting
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Mehmas can’t believe how that has dropped off and doesn’t seem to have many new horses or winners, thought that was going to be the next champion sire in waiting
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Mayson is the one that continues to impress but with Invincible Spirit and Pivotal in his pedigree, it is not that surprising even if he was 4 before he ran in a Group 1 race.
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Mehmas had lot of horses go through the sales ring this year, that’s good news, just catching up on this horse called Blackbeard who was a very good price last season in the middle park stakes, first time I’ve heard of the horse, looking at its profile, interesting
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Big Rock the only winner in GB by Rock of Gibraltar this year! Kodiac now 152 after a win at Catterick.
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Won that race nicely and that horse walloped horizon dore by 5 lengths earlier on in the season
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End of October GB flat sires wins in 2023.
Kodiac 153 Dark Angel 128 Dandy Man 128 Lope de Vega 124 Kingman 113 Havana Grey 93. Frankel 91 The biggest improver in the month was Night of Thunder now up to 75 after 14 in the month. If Havana Grey has just 7 more he will the 100 mark which no second season sire has done before. |
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Havana Grey on 97 already! The 100 looks a certainty now. Well ahead of Frankel, Dubawi and Sea The Stars with only 2 crops racing.
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He certainly is a terrific stallion. He could go to the top if he gets the right support.
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He must already be getting support to get that many winners but he will probably always be a sprinter/miler sire. It will be the 2024 covering season that will determine how many really top mares are sent to him.
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Not sure about that Sage. I think if he got the mares he could get some decent 10f types. I don't think he will attract those mares next year but if he can keep going at this rate he may in future.
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Havana Ball finally brought up 100 for Havana Grey this evening. Quite a feat for a sire with just 2 crops of racing age. that puts him level in sixth place with Frankel! Kodiac now leads 0n 160 followed by a close battle between Dandy Man 133, Dark Angel 132, Lope De Vega 130 and Kingman 125 so exalted company for Havana Grey.
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Another year over and some comments on the GB flat sire table are in order. Firstly, the top 3 which are Kodiac on 168, Dark Angel 141 and Dandy Man on 137 are all mainly sprinter/miler sires although any sire can get the odd stayer. The real star in that category has been Havana Grey with 110 wins from 2 crops which I don't believe has ever been achieved before. The other sires above 100 are Kingman on 134, Lope De Vega on 133 and Frankel 105. Sea The Stars is the most prolific Derby winner with 98 while Dubawi saw a dramatic decline to 88 from 142 in 2022 and 155 in 2021.
It is worth asking some questions before taking the results at face value. The first three are older sires with many older horses still racing but in a close finish I would still take a Kodiac or a Dark Angel to prevail. Resolution is a big factor in lower class races. Of the "classic" sires, the racing owners and Stud owners are a factor. Juddmonte seem happy to let Kingman and Frankel cover very good mares from other owners but Godolphin tend to monopolise Dubawi which may explain why he had a relatively poor season along with Charlie Appleby. Lope de Vega is very consistent and versatile and benefits from standing at a commercial Stud. Havana Grey is a real outlier. He was not fashionably bred and stands at £55,000 at Whitsbury Manor so his results are really outstanding. It will be interesting to see what happens next year and in 2026 when 2yos from breeders who will have taken note of his early promise come into training. |
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Dandy man RIP, you can thank dark angel for producing the dam of Havana grey, as added the top 3 from previous years first season and second season sires to my list, it was definitely a record breaking year with midweek result’s smashing the weekends amount of winners, trainers had an impact on those weekend results most notably Charlie Appleby, expect more of the same with midweek keeping up with the winners on the weekends this year
Happy new year best wishes for 2024 Mehmas hopefully can break a few records this year |
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The first draft was better than the second, the post didn’t go through
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My prediction for 2024 is mehmas to get 125+ wins and possibly make the top 5 in the general GB sires list
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interesting fact, sixties icon scored more wins than runners 40 runners 44 wins in 2023 and the only stallion to do that in the top 50 sires list
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Mehmas peaked in 2021 and has trended down in the last 2 years. My tip to move up a lot is Harry Angel. 30 in his first season and 66 last year so now with 3 crops he should get close to 100. Kingman had a very good year and on 134, he was not far off second place behind Kodiac.
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Mehmas only had 42 2yo’s running and just 17 wins in 2023, so with that in mind not unexpected didn’t do so well, that crop was 7500 stallion fee, this year should be much better horses, will be lot of competition for those 2 yo races this year, has been some good newcomers last few years, I’m confident, has same amount of money winners as last January on 4 now showing 13 points profit at spa’s, eventually he will have the numbers to challenge for top spot
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Kingman did very well doesn’t have big crops, 134 wins was exceptional, last years may results was a good indicator for the final table standings
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mehmas in 2021 had 122 2yo and 3yo runners combined (2nd season), 2022 combined number dropped to 78 and 2023 the combined number has dropped to 62, last 3 seasons mehmas total amount runners has gone down form 122 - 118 - 110
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Mehmas has had 280 runners on the flat and AW so far, last season only 110 runners, where have all the horses gone? They are not all becoming stallions, lot of the horses must of been sold to race abroad
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Only 5 wins so far for mehmas this month, thought that mehmo looked to have a good chance today, just beaten a neck, much shorter price next time
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