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06 Jun 21
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First a Frankel colt wins the English Derby as well as any you care to remember, then the only colt doing anything for them on the classic front St Marks Basilica is by Siyouni from the Aga Khans stud. Surely they have to find a new classic colt in their ranks to take up the competition? Judging from the colts we've seen so far, they are in a desperate struggle. The next few years could be very interesting.
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Certainly the crop of three year old colts is looking less than Group 1 standard at least at middle distances. The remainder of the season will show whether the juvenile talent is of a higher standard in keeping with previous years or whether a more fundamental problem exists. Just at present the Darley breeding operation is more dominant but weather and prevailing going can affect results as can the health of horses in a yard. I wouldn't rush to conclusions just yet.
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Well Dessie you have slightly answered your own post because whilst Coolmore aren’t standing Siyouni they have made sure they have his two best sons on their roster in due course.
Also st Mark’s is the best prospect around right now so when he retires next spring there will be nothing hotter. |
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wootton bassett
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Yes millionaire I accept what you say but as I see it a) St Marks Basilica is enhancing the claims of Siyouni at stud whilst he is winning classics and the galileos etc are not and b) when St Marks does retire theres no guarantee he will be successful at stud for coolmore. They seem to have gone in hard on Caravaggio this year which will be interesting with regard to producing classic winners? I'm no expert but it looks to me this may be a transitional period for them while they wait to see how Wootton Bassett progeny with their broodmares (galileo) turn out.In the meantime there is Frankels moon rising with his first Derby winner.......No doubt Coolmore
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I think Coolmore have more than enough ammunition to keep them in business while they find another Galileo. There is no guarantee any horse will be successful at stud but no one offers the quality they do year after year, Its only a matter of time. There is no real competition.
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Juddmonte with Frankel and Kingman aren't competition?
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Maybe just now A-T but how long will it last? I can't see J being much of a force going forward. Frankel is obviously special but he won't last forever.
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They need one son of Galileo to be producing outstanding performers- problem is they have too many to choose from - Australia hasn't made the start they hoped for and the best sons of G (Frankel and New Approach) aren't theirs.
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You may be right A_T. I think the next big thing may come from another sire line.
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Maybe Saxon Warrior. first top-class son of Deep Impact to stand in Europe?
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He was a great looking racehorse so maybe. I know many don't like Wootton Bassett too much but I think he might be the real deal. I've never seen him in the flesh but his photo's look superb. What about the Scat Daddies and NNNs? Ten Sovereigns could be anything. We shall see, there is a lot to look forward to.
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I seem to remember them winning the 1000 Guineas and the Oaks recently. I know that means broodmares, not future sires, but in my eyes, Coolmore success is coming from the mares as much as the sires.
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saddlers wells, danehill, galileo.......3 money printing machines. maybe they wont be lucky enough to get another one for 20 years.
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Nice to see the traditional breeders among the Ascot winners. Bolger, Highclere Stud, Cheveley Park, Aga Khan, Mr and Mrs David Brown (Juan Alco) who, if they are the same people I once knew well, have been breeding for many years. Anyone know if it is David Brown, the England fast bowler and his wife Trish, whose father Alan Strange, won the Gold Cup with Four Ten? Also who knows who Homecroft Wealth Racing (Oxted) are? No wins yet for Coolmore, Juddmonte, Shadwell or Godolphin.
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They are one and the same and still run Furnace Mill Stud in Warwickshire with their granddaughter. I have just rung David to congratulate them and he tells me they have a full brother foal!
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frankel has lot of individual g1 winners both no star yet who has won multiple proper group 1's......maybe only cracksman......but he is getting there. only a matter of time before he starts getting galileo ones who win 5 or 6 group 1's.
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Galileo RIP. Now the sons have to step up and show which is the best. My money is on Frankel.
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Galileo dead is a terrible loss for Coolmore.
I suppose the sires list will still have a 1 to 10 but nothing like him on top. |
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Galileo RIP. Now the sons have to step up and show which is the best. My money is on Frankel.
Frankel would now seem to be the #1 stallion from the Northern Dancer sire line |
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Frankel got another g1 winner this week. hes flying. coolmore have not bred many from him. they do have 3 more galileo crops.
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I'm not sure it will be a son of G that will be the next big thing for Coolmore. It may be but I think it may come from one of his daughters in due time. Still however it turns out it is a big loss for everyone, he was a great stallion.
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It seems a lot of people think it could be Wootton Bassett. Who could argue? He has done fantastically well this year and on the face of it looks like a good cross for all of their Galileo mares.
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100000 euro looks pricey - wouldn't command that fee from any other stud
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I see your point A_T but I think they may even put him up next year. 244 mares at 100k is £24m (probably 1/2 that in the end) so they may not be too worried about how they turn out!!!
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He’s €100,000 to keep him mainly for the Coolmore mares and whoever else wants to stump up they will pick and choose the mares. He’s the outcross they needed fir all them Galileo mares.
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It is always said that they need an outcross for their Galileo mares (and that is of course true), but what about all the mares that Galileo has been covering. Those are the ones that have produced the champions for them and they are the ones that they to get covered with G's replacement.
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Two G1 2yo's for them today. I think that will provide some optimism for next year and the future.
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Although he was only a sprinter, I think NO NAY NEVER could prove a life-saver for "the lads". He is doing much better than Wootton Bassett is at present. And don;t forget the admirable Camelot, whose offspring are bred 3x3 to Urban Sea. There is also the possible option that they buy a superior colt out of training from anyone but Godolphin.
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I think Saxon Warrior still has a chance at breaking in to the top level. It will be interesting to see how his 3yo's do.
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yes Coolmore deserve credit for investing in alternative sire lines. Deep Impact has had some good ones in Europe despite few runners.
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£35k seems sensible. I would imagine he will get a decent book at that price.
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It looks like a better year ahead for Coolmore. Do you think they would rather win the Guineas with one of their own or with Joseph's Al Riffa?
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It seemed to take a while for Coolmore to realise that a lot of their eggs were in one basket with Galileo, however phenomenal he was as a sire. I am not convinced that Wootton Bassett is the answer for all their Galilieo mares, though. Apart from Almanzor he has not impressed me. At least now they have the poorly-named St Marks Basilica with good prospects, and let's not forget the sterling Camelot who goes from strength to strength. No Nay Never has done hearteningly well for them, albeit his offspring are unlikely to stay Derby distances. Also, it will be interesting to see whether the two acquired Arc winners Sottsass (another yukky name!) and Waldgeist make an impact.
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I think when the Coolmore Galileo mares come on line WB should do nicely. He already has a G1 winning 2yo out of a G mare. I like NNN (who doesn't?) and he may well get a Guineas with Little Big ear this year. Its a lot brighter than last season.
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great day for Juddmonte yesterday - their own son of their star sire Frankel winning the guineas and looking like a natural for their roster after retirement - a family member was keen to emphasise their commitment to racing. Meanwhile Coolmore's star juveniles of last year finished out with the washing
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You are right A-T. It was a smashing win and he is a proper good guineas winner. I hope the family member maintains the operation. Well done.
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Coolmore have certainly lost the aura of invincibility lately although the Oaks favourite looks very good. Juddmonte throw their hat into the ring for the Oaks today with Bluestocking.
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I think someone got the washing in.
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Not a bad day for them and not a Galileo in sight. Wootton Bassett is looking promising.
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