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20152016    2017    2018    2019
Kodiac     135    140    161    181    158
Dark Angel       104    118    141    144    156
Dandy Man   33    27    48    83    122
Dubawi    104    105    127    129    118
Invinc. Sp       120     86    94    110    111
Lope De Vega    28    41    65    92    94
Ex and Excel    130    132    125    117    89
Sea The Stars    38    67    50    67    89
Dutch Art       80    82    90    75    85
Acclamation    128    139    109    107    85
Frankel        22    46    70    80
Shamardal    121    85    66    82    81
Zoffany    30    37    56    47    80
Bated Breath        15    47    80    76
Iffraj    88    82    71    80    74
Oasis Dream    94    87    92    86    73
Kingman                22    71
Nathaniel        6    48    62    69
Mastercraftsman    42    53    70    86    69

Final table of wins for this year with 4 previouys years to compare. Kodiac only just held off Dark Angel with Dandy Man in third. Frankel, Bated Breath and Kingman doing well for the number of crops of racing age. Apologies if the forum moves the lines around.
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Report roadrunner46 August 23, 2020 5:35 PM BST
there were three 2yo races run over 7f today at sandown, some interesting  time comparisons

class 4 nursery handicap time slow 2.67 carrying  9.8

group 3 solario stakes  time slow 1.74  9-1

class 5 maiden time slow 1.23  9-5 (one ruler)
Report roadrunner46 August 24, 2020 9:40 AM BST
followers of this thread who bet on irish racing, should of had a profitable couple of weeks backing  showcasing runners, there has only  been 6 runners
in that time period, two juvenile winners who both won on their 3rd starts at 18/1 and 50/1, would of mentioned the first winner on the 15th of august,
as i dont really bother with irish racing myself, decided not post on that result.
Report sageform August 25, 2020 10:38 AM BST
My stats deliberately exclude Irish racing because of the massive bias caused by Coolmore stallions but still interesting. Showcasing is certainly now up in the top 10 on any measure.
Report sageform September 4, 2020 3:57 PM BST
Treble so far today for Dark Angel moves him one ahead of Kodiac. 87-86 GB wins in 2020. Dubawi only 71 and none so far in Sept so well back in third.
Report roadrunner46 September 4, 2020 6:34 PM BST
showcasing just moved one ahead of dandy man on 57-56, they can be slow updating these databases  sometimes, lightening  shore ran a good race on debut at 40/1 lto at kempton, massive gamble on jack the truth last night landed
Report sageform September 7, 2020 5:33 PM BST
Yes, if the RP table disagrees with mine there are 2 reasons. 1. A horse has been disqualified at a later date. 2. They have not updated theirs. I have Showcasing and Dandy Man on 58 each as of 5.30 today.
Report sageform September 8, 2020 4:59 PM BST
the real breakthrough sire recently is Golden Horn. 2 more today brings his total in Sept. to 8 wins in 8 days following 11 in August. He is making steady progress up the GB sire table.
Report roadrunner46 September 10, 2020 5:31 PM BST

Aug 23, 2020 -- 5:35PM, roadrunner46 wrote:

there were three 2yo races run over 7f today at sandown, some interesting

Report roadrunner46 September 10, 2020 5:35 PM BST
one ruler runs tomorrow  and the punters cant get their  money on fast enough , already  a winner  from that race  this  week , lets see if one ruler can reproduce that above average performance  again.
Report sageform September 11, 2020 1:47 PM BST
Apparate was the second win for Dubawi this month after Indigo Girl yesterday. Sure sign that the ground is drying out.
Report roadrunner46 September 11, 2020 3:54 PM BST
pmslLaugh the three 2yo races run that day at sandown and the slowest of the lot new mandate gets the job done, there was money for it.
Report roadrunner46 September 12, 2020 7:46 AM BST
there have been 3 winning favourites  so far from that sandown race with more to come, the 7f flying scotsman stakes was run 3.10 seconds faster than the class 3 7f maiden, so that form looks well upto scratch
Report truehoncho September 14, 2020 10:42 AM BST
Whats going on with Showcasing. No 2 or 3yo stakes winners in 2 years in the UK.
Report roadrunner46 September 14, 2020 4:03 PM BST
viaduct makes it 61 wins for showcasing in 2020 matching  last seasons  GB wins total and goes 2 ahead of dandy man, not bad considering 10 weeks of the season has been lost to postponement, as for the stakes winners, when they pass the post 1st and you  have  backed them doesn't matter what grade or class
the race is. ive no doubt  will get better horses and stake winners in the near future.
Report roadrunner46 September 14, 2020 4:32 PM BST
my mistake  showcasing  needs one more winner to match last seasons  GB wins, that last race was another  showcasing  1-2 paying  92.50 on exacta
Report roadrunner46 September 14, 2020 5:46 PM BST
mystery  show makes that a double  for  showcasing  today and 3 ahead of dandy man 62-59
Report roadrunner46 September 15, 2020 9:12 AM BST
alhebayeb is long over due a winner, blue slate 7.10 66/1 stepping  up in trip and 7lb claimer on board  who rode a winner yesterday, has run well after a break, and has changed trainers and only had 6 runs. could finish closer to last place than first?
Report truehoncho September 18, 2020 12:54 PM BST
Well Roadrunner at £55k you should be getting 2/3yo stake winners. To go without one for 2 years is concerning. Numbers of winners don't count for too much.
Report roadrunner46 September 18, 2020 4:30 PM BST
you want the horse to get stakes winners, learnt from following  the FSS that its not an important factor as far as betting is concerned, could the breeding  cycle and how it works, presume their are less coverings every year for  showcasing. two winners  today for showcasing and another  1-2 exacta 7.80, fascinating
there has been 3 F/C'S recently. as it stands showcasing is 4th in the table on 65 GB wins, dandy man hasn't  had a winner for 10 days
Report truehoncho September 18, 2020 5:40 PM BST
Most of us are breeders on here not punters so I think we look at it differently.
Report truehoncho September 18, 2020 5:42 PM BST
Dandy man has had 2 stakes winners this year (in the UK) compared to 1 for Showcasing. DM is 1/4 S price.
Report roadrunner46 September 19, 2020 1:27 PM BST
the only reason ive compared those two stallions is one had a fantastic season last year and the other one didnt, i presume dandy man is more popular at the
moment and the fact he has one more stakes  winner is neither here nor there imo.
Report sageform September 19, 2020 1:46 PM BST
what a difference the going makes. Dubawi has had 7 wins in 9 days since it went to faster ground. The first 10 days of Sept he had none. Kodiac now on 97 which is impressive with so many weeks blank.
Report roadrunner46 September 19, 2020 3:35 PM BST
ALKUMAIT theres a lot of speed in that pedigree, always liked dutch art, seems to have fallen out of favour with the breeders, gone private now,
good one to look forward to next year, could this be another commonwealth cup winner next year
Report roadrunner46 September 19, 2020 3:53 PM BST
thankfully some good horses have won the mill reef stakes dark angel and harry angel, easy winner and didnt need to hit top gear to beat that lot
Report roadrunner46 September 20, 2020 6:35 AM BST
there is an informative article about  showcasing on the racing post bloodstock section
Report roadrunner46 September 20, 2020 2:05 PM BST

Sep 15, 2020 -- 9:12AM, roadrunner46 wrote:

alhebayeb is long over due a winner, blue slate 7.10 66/1 stepping

Report roadrunner46 September 20, 2020 2:07 PM BST
really enjoyed that winner, absolutely precision hunting down that winner indigo times
Report truehoncho September 21, 2020 9:31 AM BST
It could be a case of if you say his name often enough the devil will appear!! I haven't seen the colt but I have been told he is really good looking and the type to train on. S needed that on for sure.
Report roadrunner46 September 21, 2020 9:45 AM BST
lost me on that one, alkumait was the first of showcasing's progeny i mentioned  on this thread, just wish i had a spare £500 to put down at 16/1 for the mill reef stakes when the markets opened, look at the form of the other horse's some of them who had won or run well in group or stakes races, all started off in lesser racesWink
Report truehoncho September 21, 2020 12:39 PM BST
and it was his first 2yo group winner for 2 years. That's what i meant. Breeders don't use £55k stallions to get lots of handicraft winners. They expect stakes winners. That's why Showcasing needed it.
Report roadrunner46 September 21, 2020 1:24 PM BST
more than likely to do with the breeding cycles, no doubt has proven so far to be oasis dream's best son at stud so far, dont  know oasis dream that well,
that article  in the racing post suggests showcasing  is well worth his stallion fee at 55k, some of the breeders will be trying to make  a fortune and
others are trying to breed a really good horse. 15 horses in book 1 at the sales, hopefully  there will be a very good horse amongst them. if you look at
how the stakes races are divided  up between  the stallions, virtually theres atleast 50 stallions  with stakes winner, just think thats been an anomaly imo.
Report roadrunner46 October 1, 2020 6:12 PM BST

Aug 9, 2020 -- 4:30PM, roadrunner46 wrote:

ice station zebra (showcasing) 2yo debut winner, probally a weak race it just one, was slow away and well behind, once it going it wasnt stopping ,matched as high as 260/1 IR, showcasing 43

Report roadrunner46 October 1, 2020 6:17 PM BST
ice station  zebra wins at 9/1 after 2 defeats, winning  a class 4 so an improvement  on class 5 maiden win, wasnt  around today so missed  that winner, i did catch yesterdays showcasing  winner in a double  with a mehmas  horse, todays  winner means showcasing  has now matched  his best season total of 71 GB wins
Report sageform October 3, 2020 10:52 AM BST
Kodiac is now on 111 GB flat wins for 2020, 10 clear of Dark Angel.
Monthly totals for September:
Kodiac 27, Dark Angel 20, Golden Horn 19 and Frankel 18 were the top four.

Mehmas with 40 is still way ahead of the first season table.
Report roadrunner46 October 3, 2020 12:51 PM BST
amazing month for  golden  horn and know frankel got a hat full of winners recently, interesting to see if golden  horn can match those numbers next yearGrin
Report truehoncho October 3, 2020 1:42 PM BST
I fear for Golden Horn. A great race horse but only 1 listed winner this year in the UK (not sure about Ireland or abroad) and only 3 2yo winners (no stakes 2yo's). Lots of winners but only handicappers and middle distance ones at that. If he was at Coolmore he would have one foot in the NH yard now.
Report sageform October 4, 2020 9:57 AM BST
All about the fee I suppose but I know GH is making progress. This season has been upside down and many potential Group 1 3yo's have only run a couple of times. The acid test will be how they progress as 4yos. I accept that Kingman is producing better quality at the moment, mainly due to their finishing speed.
Report roadrunner46 October 4, 2020 1:27 PM BST
kingman is in a different league  to golden horn, and the 150k price tag speaks volumes, wouldnt expect golden horn to be able to keep  up with kingman, middle distance stallion and has a lot less opportunity  to make an instant  impact like kingman, both outstanding  horses on the race track, im hopeful golden horn's
progeny will improve  and get those badly  needed group 1 horses
Report Wilycayote October 4, 2020 6:51 PM BST
Golden horn is an absolute turkey.
Report truehoncho October 4, 2020 7:09 PM BST
I know what you mean Sageform but middle distance stallions don't get too many chances. Who wants a middle distance handicapper these days? Darley will support him for a while so he could make a breakthrough but it looks tricky at the minute.
I don't think he is that bad Wily, he did ok with his 2yo's last year but none of them have seemed to push on.
I think Kingman is good but over rated. He has 2 group 1 winners and so he should have. He has had access to Juddmonte's best families. 150k seems steep to me. This year he has had no stakes winning 2yo's and 38th in the 2yo sires table for UK. I always look at what is coming along for stallions and I think he may be looking very expensive this time next year.
Report roadrunner46 October 5, 2020 11:45 AM BST

Sep 4, 2020 -- 6:34PM, roadrunner46 wrote:

showcasing just moved one ahead of dandy man on 57-56, they can be slow updating these databases

Report roadrunner46 October 5, 2020 11:47 AM BST
missed  jack the truth at 7/1 last week, run over c/d and class 4 againCry
Report roadrunner46 October 5, 2020 11:51 AM BST

Sep 12, 2020 -- 7:46AM, roadrunner46 wrote:

there have been 3 winning favourites

Report roadrunner46 October 5, 2020 11:53 AM BST
was right  about  the flying  scotsman stakes form being  well  upto scratch with the winner going onto  win a group 2
Report sageform October 9, 2020 11:53 AM BST
I take all of the points about group winners but I look at numbers as you know. Currently in terms of GB wins, the "superstars" of the past few years are showing as follows: GB wins in 2020.
Dubawi 81
Frankel 61
Kingman 51
Sea The Stars 50
Nathaniel 50
Golden Horn 46 from just 2 crops.

I am well aware that most of the Coolmore stallion produce race in Ireland but none of them are in my top 30 in GB. Galileo and Gleneagles are joint 38th place on 30 each.
Report roadrunner46 October 10, 2020 2:25 PM BST
all i concentrate on is the numbers, and you are bang on about golden horn, and very well highlighted
Report roadrunner46 October 10, 2020 2:28 PM BST

Oct 5, 2020 -- 11:53AM, roadrunner46 wrote:

was right

Report roadrunner46 October 10, 2020 2:31 PM BST
ridiculous qoute , never  works for me lol, ONE RULER confirms that exceptional time figure today  and another boost for  the flying  scotsman  form
Report roadrunner46 October 10, 2020 4:07 PM BST

Sep 20, 2020 -- 2:07PM, roadrunner46 wrote:

really enjoyed that winner, absolutely precision hunting down that winner indigo times

assumed it would be a long wait for another winner, never crossed my mind this one could easily follow up indigo times

Report sageform October 15, 2020 7:50 PM BST
Just when it looked as if Kodiac was pulling away, back comes Dark Angel on the AW with 11 wins so far in October to get within 3 of Kodiac at 115-112. I expect Dubawi to be very quiet after the end of the turf season as his progeny seldom race on AW. Invincible Spirit continues to do well.
Report roadrunner46 October 15, 2020 8:14 PM BST
showcasing wont get that many now till the end of season, will be very pleased with 90 GB wins this year, that will be a 50% increase on last year and smash
his best season of 71 GB wins, showcasing battling qualities were on show on saturday just gone with flying ginger and over 8f, another juvenile winner the other day.
Report roadrunner46 October 17, 2020 10:06 AM BST

Aug 14, 2020 -- 1:57PM, roadrunner46 wrote:

its a been a good few days for showcasing, the progeny nearly had a forecast yesterday

Report roadrunner46 October 17, 2020 10:15 AM BST
the post was about the flying ginger, thought  i had mentioned that on here before Wink wasnt around wednesday night so i missed  red mirage at 10/1 and
that was the second FTO winning 2yo for showcasing in the space  of a few days for  the same  trainer MJ, "lightening never strikes the same place twice"Laugh
Report roadrunner46 October 20, 2020 9:17 AM BST
so mehmas enters the record books with a 38th european first-crop winner, amazing and cant wait to see how much they increase the stallion fee, maybe mehmas
can slowly start to challenge kodiac & dark angel, that would be exciting, the production line of stallions just keeps getting better every year
Report sageform October 20, 2020 12:15 PM BST
Certainly the highest total on my lists for a few years. 44 GB wins and counting for Mehmas. Society Rock had 34 in the whole of 2017 which is the highest first season in GB that I could find in the last 4 years.
Report roadrunner46 October 20, 2020 2:15 PM BST
story is on the RP bloodstock page, acclamation bloodline is my favourite, just noticed harbour watch stud fee has stopped in 2017, whats happened there ?
just missed  showcasing winner, waiting on the winner at newcastle in 1.50, fancied tilaawah today was a very  backable  price
Report roadrunner46 October 25, 2020 8:25 AM GMT
one ruler ran a good race on that ground, visibly tiring in the closing stages, the winner went through that ground easily and stamina laden pedigree shone
through, good winner for the irish punters. thats me done for the season, will spend lot of time preparing an evaluation of this seasons results and stallions,
devise a plan for keeping records that are relevant and useful and easy on the eyes, thats the difficult part. will be my first season as a professional gambler
next year. so wont be posting very often next year.
Report Wilycayote October 29, 2020 6:44 PM GMT
Adaay & Territories having a decent end to the season.
Thought Pearl Secret might have a few more winners than he has tho.
Report sageform October 30, 2020 7:13 PM GMT
Mehmas is the only first season sire to get into my table of the top 65 sires on number of wins. Kingman continues to creep up the list on 60 wins so equal 10th place. Mayson on 47 is one that has surprised me. He could be right up there next season.
Report roadrunner46 November 9, 2020 1:41 PM GMT

Jan 10, 2020 -- 12:20PM, roadrunner46 wrote:

so close for dark angel in 2019 morpheus got off to a very slow start, now the horses are maturing they are improving, not of interest to me, hasnt got enough runners. amazing year for NIGHT OF THUNDER, think GUTAIFAN finished on the same amount of GB wins,2019 FSS championship

Report roadrunner46 November 9, 2020 1:45 PM GMT
you could see that fee increase for night of thunder coming from A MILE OFFWink
Report truehoncho November 9, 2020 4:53 PM GMT
You might of but I think its nuts. He hasn't had a G1 winner and only 1 British G2 winner. The reality is he is priced to keep you away from him and will probably be used heavily for their own mares and just a few noms available elsewhere. If you can get one you should do well.
Report roadrunner46 November 9, 2020 6:04 PM GMT
so 26 stakes performers from his first two crops not good enough for you Laugh priced to keep you away, sounds like spurious allegation
Report truehoncho November 10, 2020 9:59 AM GMT
26 stakes performers??? You have been reading too much of the Darley adverts Laugh. Best winner Thunderous who sneaked home by a neck in a G2. I don't think he has even had a runner in a G1 (I may be wrong on that one).  13 stakes horses by my reckoning i.e official rating over 100.
Report roadrunner46 November 10, 2020 11:10 AM GMT
im not fact checking racing post bloodstock stories Cry if they want to publish figures that are not accurate, thats laziness on their behalf, as for night of thunder's stud fee in 2020 at 25k, that looked like a bargain at the time and has now been proven correct, the breeders had a chance last year to use the stallion  before the inevitable price hike
Report Formtwist November 10, 2020 11:10 AM GMT
Truehoncho, Try expanding your horizons world-wide.
Report truehoncho November 10, 2020 11:39 AM GMT
I know Formtwist but there still isn't a G1 winner and the Italian form is very questionable. I know he would get a hike but £75k? £40-£50k maybe.
Report truehoncho November 10, 2020 11:57 AM GMT
And further, I just had a look at the foal returns for 2018 and he had 72 foals registered and no 2yo stakes winners in Britain. So £75k for a stallion that next year is unlikely (or at least not very likely) to have a top class 3yo. By the time you get your foal/yearling to the sales £75k may seem a lot. In reality we know that you won't get him unless Darley want you to have him, so you will do ok at the sale because they will buy it (you hope!!)
Report Formtwist November 10, 2020 1:25 PM GMT
Truehoncho - why do you still limit yourself to Europe?
Report truehoncho November 10, 2020 2:19 PM GMT
Well Formtwist the UK is normally is the best racing. I'm not sure you want to use stallions with foreign form for English markets. Even if you did there doesn't seem to me anything that would say £75k wasn't over the top (to me).
Report Formtwist November 10, 2020 3:00 PM GMT
Well, you aren't in that league anyway so the judgment of those who are matters much more. They consider foals registered and racing in all jurisdictions - many of which incidentally have far superior racing to the UK and a lot better prize money. Your suggestion that Darley priced to restrict him to themselves is laughable. He will be inundated again at that price with even better mares than before and they will take any they can.
Report truehoncho November 10, 2020 3:43 PM GMT
Formtwist, grow up. This is a forum of opinion. Its not about you. Whatever league I am in it doesn't mean I am not untitled to an opinion. People like you that get personal on forums to make your point is pathetic. If your not interested in my opinion why on earth keep coming back to me and asking me about foreign form for which I gave an honest answer. My point about Darley restricting him what they always do with those they value. I am sure you will be sending him plenty.
Report Formtwist November 10, 2020 11:34 PM GMT
I tried to get you to think in a grown up way internationally, clearly without success. Like Donald Trump you slander Darley's policies without evidence, you assert numbers of stakes offspring and the best horse totally wrongly, despite roadrunner46 pointed out quite correctly that there are 26 stakes performers, including Group 1 placed and Thunderous is not his best horse. Opinion is one thing, factually incorrect statements and slandering a major stud operation quite another.
Report truehoncho November 11, 2020 9:38 AM GMT
No you didn't. Its second time in a couple of threads you have got personal. The first time I let it go. You never said anything other than some throwaway comment about international racing which I offered an honest comment about class. You are clearly looking for a nonsense argument and I am not sure about the Trump comment so I will ignore it. My point about Darley is well known and their wide range of connections get first dibs on the stallions, to call it slandering is silly. My opinion that £75k is excessive is just that an opinion. We will see.
Report potentialmillionaire November 11, 2020 8:02 PM GMT
I agree truehoncho that at 75k N.O.T. Has a Rabbah look about him and that is quite a fruity fee for a horse that doesn’t get super stars -yet.

He has started very well though so with 500 applications for his services last year the fee was always going to rise after he was obviously too cheap.

He compares well with No Nay Never who was a similar meteoric rise and fits the same profile as a horse they chose to restrict applications by price.
Report roadrunner46 November 12, 2020 7:00 AM GMT
500 applicationsLaugh which begs the question why they didnt increase the fee in 2020 to a minimum of 50k, was this an oversight
Report potentialmillionaire November 12, 2020 10:32 AM GMT
Massive oversubscription to a horse that is fashionable is not an uncommon state of affairs roadrunner.

Last year he was good value so we all had a cut at him and highlighting that didn’t make us geniuses.
But whether 50k last year would have been sustainable, who knows.
Report sageform November 15, 2020 11:34 AM GMT
Going back to the origin of the thread which is a year out of date I know, Kodiac is just one ahead of Dark Angel for GB flat wins in 2020, 121/120 with Dubawi well back in third on 94. I will keep going until Dec 31 and then start a new thread for 2021. Just in case anyone is checking my stats on the RP site, they don't always update evening meetings for 24 hours and don't update weekend results until Monday. That goes for all of the Statistics.
Report roadrunner46 November 20, 2020 7:41 AM GMT
84th winner lastnight for showcasing still holding on to 4th place on the GB table, double reflection was well backed on early prices from 9/1 sp 4/1, that div 1 race was run in 3.42 slow carrying  9-8 compared  to div 2 run in 4.59 slow carrying  9-4.
Report roadrunner46 November 25, 2020 7:57 AM GMT
tilaawah followed  up its win LTO, valuable  claimer taking off 7lbs was just enough to help the cause, drifted from 4/1 to 13/2 sp, doing well on the 2yo sires table with 25 wins
so far this year 4 ahead of dandy man and they are 5th and 6th on that GB table
Report sageform November 25, 2020 6:12 PM GMT
Two wins for Dark Angel today takes him to the top of the GB table, one ahead of Kodiac. Meanwhile 2 more for Mehmas takes him to 51 wins for the year and into the top 20 sires despite only having one crop running!
Report roadrunner46 November 26, 2020 7:18 AM GMT
i believe there are rich rewards to be had in this new golden age for the bloodstock industry, kingscote rode both those mehmas winners, know lot of people who rate him as a jockey
Report roadrunner46 November 27, 2020 7:10 AM GMT
double reflection went as low as 1.42 IR, certainly aiming high last night moving up to class 4 from class 6, having just watched the race, jockey should of started pushing the horse just before the last turn, noticed the same trainer won the best race on the card with a harbour watch, theres mileage in the winner fitwood star
Report roadrunner46 December 1, 2020 10:59 AM GMT
with just december to go showcasing is on 87 wins, has hit double figures for wins in june/july/august/september/october 2020, previous best was just two consecutive months for double figures and 26.43% of those wins were won by SH/HD -NECK -NOSE, the racing post dont list the distances at a glance on that page which is disappointing, would be lot easier
for comparisons. mohaather his highest rated progeny claimed a group 1 win, showcasing has smashed previous best of 71 GB wins. couldnt get any better ?Wink

will post an interesting take on 2019/2020 stats at the end of december
Report truehoncho December 1, 2020 11:37 AM GMT
He may well be getting plenty of average winners but as I predicted he is on the decline good and popper. He has had a substantial fee reduction which is still too much. His median this year for yearlings was £47k for yearlings conceived at £55k. I think he has only had one 2 or 3yo stakes winner in the last 2 years (there may be some abroad). I think he will keep getting plenty of winners Roadrunner so worth following but not much more in terms of class to come from this fella.
Report roadrunner46 December 1, 2020 12:29 PM GMT
ive evolved past the group /stakes /pattern horses way of thinking, making money is the most important factor, stallions will succeed or fail and slowly decline, thats to be expected, breeders will survive and thrive based on the many factors (not least luck/market conditions ect, thats my longterm goal is to breed horses to sell ofcourse, just a dream
showcasing is just tip of the iceberg, group / stakes /pattern success is a big part of everything, its not crucial to ones success at betting.
Report roadrunner46 December 2, 2020 3:00 PM GMT
unbelievable 14/1 winner last night for showcasing , good example why its the run of the mill races where all the value 95% of the time is found, not the group/stakes/listed races
Report roadrunner46 December 5, 2020 7:59 AM GMT
so night of thunder has joined the 200 club in 2020 covering 213 mares, that is phenomenal and thats a lot of fire power coming down  the line
Report sageform December 13, 2020 10:46 AM GMT
Dark Angel back in front of Kodiac with 14 flat racing days left in the year.
Report roadrunner46 December 21, 2020 6:15 AM GMT
fascinating battle between  kodiac and dark angel and very  rewarding if you  have been watching that closely in the last  few weeks, david probert riding the latest  winner for dark angel, he rode a 4 timer recently
Report roadrunner46 December 21, 2020 6:23 AM GMT
will dandy man get another winner this year, current losing run is 43 and no wins in december so far
Report sageform December 21, 2020 2:10 PM GMT
Kodiac Harbour brings Kodiac level again with 7 more days after today. They have never been more than a couple apart for 2 months now. Dandy Man certainly gone quiet. Mayson with 8 is the highest for December so far.
Report roadrunner46 December 22, 2020 7:08 AM GMT
just like magicLaugh mayson adds another winner and 2nd at southwell to that good yardstick ice station zebra
Report sageform December 22, 2020 1:57 PM GMT
And a tenth for December today. Ten is a very respectable total for the month. Kodiac is next on 8 and Dark Angel has 7.
Report roadrunner46 December 29, 2020 11:49 AM GMT
havent been around for a few days, i see dandy man finally got a winner in december, put a good jockey up for the ride after only losing by 1 length LTO in a class 2, only a class 4 yesterday no wonder it won easily.
Report sageform December 31, 2020 6:20 PM GMT
Two late wins for Kodiac retain his title of the most GB flat wins in 2020 with 135. Dark Angel 133 and Dubawi 104 were the only others over 100. Two late wins for Exceed and Excel brought him up to tenth place with 70, one of his lowest for some years. Frankel 72 and Kingman 76 were both making good progress in a shortened season. Sea The Stars was the highest placed Derby winner with 61 while Galileo and Australia had 37 each.
Report roadrunner46 January 1, 2021 7:57 AM GMT
well i found a country where showcasing is top of the tableLaugh malaysia on 14 wins and leading earnings, have to wait until arion pedigrees to update  final table to do my stats, happy new year to all and best wishes for 2021
Report roadrunner46 January 1, 2021 1:57 PM GMT

Mar 14, 2020 -- 2:15PM, roadrunner46 wrote:

Jan 10, 2020 --  1:40PM, roadrunner46 wrote:SHOWCASING didnt have a good 2019, thought there would be a lot more winners maybe DANDY MAN'S meteoric rise had an effect onthose numbers.2019 = 151 runners = 62 GB wins2018 = 125 runners = 71 GB wins2017 = 99 runners = 60 GB wins2016 = 95 runners = 59 GB winsshowcasing only had 5 winners at this stage last season 2019, already on 14 winners so far this season, hopefully showcasing will have best season ever in 2020

my prediction for 2021 is lope de vega to have a record breaking season and smash past 100+ winners, 2020 GB 2YO runners had a very bad season with just 4 winners and 5 wins from 36 runners,
and if this years 2YO'S do much better, my target 110-115 wins this season

Report sageform January 1, 2021 2:35 PM GMT
He is doing OK with older horses but 3yos represent more wins than any other age group in a normal year so that could hit him.
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