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23 Aug 17
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For decades,without really thinking about it,I fell for the old myth that all thoroughbreds are descended from just 3 Arabian stallions imported into GB in the early 18th century. This is true only if you are talking purely about SIRELINES ( although the signs are that will soon only be one ). A few years ago I discovered Thoroughbred Pedigree Query and found that any thoroughbred will be descended through a female line from at least one other Arab stallion. Has anybody ever counted up how many of these there are ?
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name dob
LORD CARLISLE'S TURK
LORD LONSDALE'S ARABIAN +
MOROCCO BARB + 168?
ROCKWOOD 168?
BYERLEY TURK + 1684
LISTER TURK + 1687
OGLETHORPE ARABIAN + 1689
BURDETT'S ARABIAN 169?
BURTON BARB + 169?
CURWEN BAY BARB 169?
CURWEN'S OLD SPOT 169?
DARCY'S ARABIAN + 169?
DARCY'S WHITE TURK 169?
DARCY'S YELLOW TURK 169?
HALE'S TURK + 169?
LOWTHER BARB + 169?
MASSEY'S BLACK BARB 169?
OLD MONTAGUE 169?
PULLEINE ARABIAN 169?
WHARTON'S COMMONER 169?
WHITESHIRT 169?
YOUNG SPANKER 169?
FENWICK BARB + 1690
LEEDES ARABIAN + 1690
OLD CARELESS + 1692
WOOD'S COUNSELLOR + 1694
SELABY TURK + 1695
CURWEN BAY BARB + 1697
PAGET TURK + 1697
AKASTER TURK+ 170?
BROWNLOW TURK + 170?
BUSTLER 170?
CHAMPION 170?
CHILLABY + 170?
GOVERNOR 170?
HARPHAM ARABIAN 170?
HONEYWOOD'S ARABIAN + 170?
HUTTON'S GREY BARB 170?
LITTON ARABIAN 170?
MULSO BAY 170?
NEWCASTLE TURK + 170?
PLACE'S WHITE TURK 170?
SON OF HAUTBOY 170?
ST VICTOR BARB + 170?
WILLIAM'S ARABIAN 170?
ANCASTER MERLIN + 1700
DARLEY ARABIAN + 1700
ALCOCK ARABIAN + 1704
BETHELL'S CASTAWAY + 171?
CONYER'S ARABIAN 171?
CROFT'S EGYPTIAN 171?
CYPRUS ARABIAN 171?
HAMPTON COURT CHESTNUT + 171?
HOLDERNESS TURK 171?
MONTAGU + 171?
OLD MONTAGU 171?
OLD SNAIL 171?
OYSTERFOOT ARABIAN 171?
PIGOT TURK 171?
RATTLE 171?
SUTTON TURK + 171?
WALPOLE BARB 171?
BETHEL'S ARABIAN + 1711
BALL [ANCASTER] 1712
OLD ROYAL 1712
BLOODY SHOULDERED ARABIAN 1713
WYNN ARABIAN + 1717
CROFT'S PARTNER 1718
SLOVEN 1718
COLE'S FOXHUNTER + 172?
HALL'S ARABIAN + 172?
LONSDALE BAY ARABIAN + 172?
NEWTON BAY ARABIAN + 172?
ORFORD TURK 172?
PORTLAND ARABIAN 172?
SOMERSET ARABIAN 172?
STANYAN'S ARABIAN + 172?
WOODSTOCK ARABIAN 172?
HUTTON'S BAY TURK + 1720
HALIFAX'S SAMPSON 1721
HALIFAX'S GOLIAH 1722
HUTTON'S BAY BARB + 1723
GODOLPHIN ARABIAN + 1724
BLOODY BUTTOCKS + 1725
JUSTICE 1725
MONKEY 1725
PORTMORE'S VICTORIOUS 1725
QUIET CUDDY 1727
CONQUEROR 1728
DRIVER 173?
GRASSHOPPER (ANCASTER) 173?
OLD TEAZER 173?
SEDLEY'S ARABIAN + 173?
STAMFORD TURK 173?
YOUNG BELGRADE 173?
CUB 1739
BELSIZE ARABIAN 174?
OLD STARLING 174?
PENGREE'S BADGER 174?
TOM JONES 174?
WILSON'S ARABIAN 174?
WOLSELEY BARB 174?
CULLEN ARABIAN + 1740
LEEDES CHUB 1746
HAMILTON'S FIGURE + 1747
SHEPHERD'S CRAB 1747
MATCHLESS 1748
LORD CARLISLE'S TURK
LORD LONSDALE'S ARABIAN +
MOROCCO BARB + 168?
ROCKWOOD 168?
BYERLEY TURK + 1684
LISTER TURK + 1687
OGLETHORPE ARABIAN + 1689
BURDETT'S ARABIAN 169?
BURTON BARB + 169?
CURWEN BAY BARB 169?
CURWEN'S OLD SPOT 169?
DARCY'S ARABIAN + 169?
DARCY'S WHITE TURK 169?
DARCY'S YELLOW TURK 169?
HALE'S TURK + 169?
LOWTHER BARB + 169?
MASSEY'S BLACK BARB 169?
OLD MONTAGUE 169?
PULLEINE ARABIAN 169?
WHARTON'S COMMONER 169?
WHITESHIRT 169?
YOUNG SPANKER 169?
FENWICK BARB + 1690
LEEDES ARABIAN + 1690
OLD CARELESS + 1692
WOOD'S COUNSELLOR + 1694
SELABY TURK + 1695
CURWEN BAY BARB + 1697
PAGET TURK + 1697
AKASTER TURK+ 170?
BROWNLOW TURK + 170?
BUSTLER 170?
CHAMPION 170?
CHILLABY + 170?
GOVERNOR 170?
HARPHAM ARABIAN 170?
HONEYWOOD'S ARABIAN + 170?
HUTTON'S GREY BARB 170?
LITTON ARABIAN 170?
MULSO BAY 170?
NEWCASTLE TURK + 170?
PLACE'S WHITE TURK 170?
SON OF HAUTBOY 170?
ST VICTOR BARB + 170?
WILLIAM'S ARABIAN 170?
ANCASTER MERLIN + 1700
DARLEY ARABIAN + 1700
ALCOCK ARABIAN + 1704
BETHELL'S CASTAWAY + 171?
CONYER'S ARABIAN 171?
CROFT'S EGYPTIAN 171?
CYPRUS ARABIAN 171?
HAMPTON COURT CHESTNUT + 171?
HOLDERNESS TURK 171?
MONTAGU + 171?
OLD MONTAGU 171?
OLD SNAIL 171?
OYSTERFOOT ARABIAN 171?
PIGOT TURK 171?
RATTLE 171?
SUTTON TURK + 171?
WALPOLE BARB 171?
BETHEL'S ARABIAN + 1711
BALL [ANCASTER] 1712
OLD ROYAL 1712
BLOODY SHOULDERED ARABIAN 1713
WYNN ARABIAN + 1717
CROFT'S PARTNER 1718
SLOVEN 1718
COLE'S FOXHUNTER + 172?
HALL'S ARABIAN + 172?
LONSDALE BAY ARABIAN + 172?
NEWTON BAY ARABIAN + 172?
ORFORD TURK 172?
PORTLAND ARABIAN 172?
SOMERSET ARABIAN 172?
STANYAN'S ARABIAN + 172?
WOODSTOCK ARABIAN 172?
HUTTON'S BAY TURK + 1720
HALIFAX'S SAMPSON 1721
HALIFAX'S GOLIAH 1722
HUTTON'S BAY BARB + 1723
GODOLPHIN ARABIAN + 1724
BLOODY BUTTOCKS + 1725
JUSTICE 1725
MONKEY 1725
PORTMORE'S VICTORIOUS 1725
QUIET CUDDY 1727
CONQUEROR 1728
DRIVER 173?
GRASSHOPPER (ANCASTER) 173?
OLD TEAZER 173?
SEDLEY'S ARABIAN + 173?
STAMFORD TURK 173?
YOUNG BELGRADE 173?
CUB 1739
BELSIZE ARABIAN 174?
OLD STARLING 174?
PENGREE'S BADGER 174?
TOM JONES 174?
WILSON'S ARABIAN 174?
WOLSELEY BARB 174?
CULLEN ARABIAN + 1740
LEEDES CHUB 1746
HAMILTON'S FIGURE + 1747
SHEPHERD'S CRAB 1747
MATCHLESS 1748
The trouble with the old days was a horse could have several names.
It could be Lord Nelson's Firecracker, then Jones's Firecracker, then Sir Thornton's Fire Cracker, then Mr Watson's Kingfisher.
The above are a list of horses without sires. I assume the sire was untraceable e.g. imported.
It could be Lord Nelson's Firecracker, then Jones's Firecracker, then Sir Thornton's Fire Cracker, then Mr Watson's Kingfisher.
The above are a list of horses without sires. I assume the sire was untraceable e.g. imported.
The + at the end of a name is my surrender sign. I couldn't trace back beyond that.
e.g.HUTTON'S BAY TURK +
e.g.HUTTON'S BAY TURK +
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