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30 Sep 16
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Don't know what to say particularly but I daresay there are opinions out there.
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I must admit my eyebrows are in overdrive with all the raising they are being forced to do.
But by the time I've dragged them back down again I've started to assimilate the reality of 'it is what it is' and we've got to work with them. I wonder what Coolmore and Darley are going to trot out, perhaps they will be slightly less left field. |
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Well, we're given to expect Profitable at Darley and Twilight Son at Cheveley aren't we?
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And in the time I took to type that we find Awtaad and Markaz off to Derrinstown
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There used to be a time (sigh) when a horse was retired to stud that I'd instantly know its pedigree and form. Recently, and in particular this year, I find myself asking "What the f*ck is that"?
But maybe it's just me. |
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I really like Awtaad but always knew he would end up in Ireland. I think Markaz would have done well over here and not sure what else Shadwell have for Britain but I'm sure there is something.
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One for the purists here: Dariyan to Haras de Bonneval.
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This is a horse I like a lot:
Shalaa to Haras de Bouquetot. |
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That's a surprise. Thought he'd race on - any plans for a UK / France alternation like Charm Spirit?
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JohnnyM on it, as ever.
I guessed that would be the scenario but it was nice to get the news first! |
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They had already put that out in the brochure promoting the ARC beofre the comeback run
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Well, an avalanche of new sires now. Territories retires a year too late I think, but has enough about him to get support if the fee is right - and just how many spare stallion boxes do Darley have left?
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Right then. Hands up if you expected Tally-Ho to be standing a son of Monsun out of a Peintre Celebre mare next year.
Please don't tell me you couldn't see it happening. It's obvious. Really. |
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Both hands firmly down here! Are we talking an ex-French, lately rear view of Winx son of Monsun? Fascinating.........
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Yes, got it in one. Definitely not their usual type of horse is it.
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No indeed! His connections are French, and logically he should have gone there, but maybe they think he would get more support in Ireland and Tally-Ho agreed to stand him and experiment with a different clientele?
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Well, as expected, Twilight Son is off to his Cheveley Park home, and as they usually price a newcomer OK he will probably be popular, particularly as a different enough pedigree for the current commercial sprint mare population.
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Well, J-M, we now comprehend don't we? Vadamos is a SPEED sire....
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And if that's what Rog says then it must be true. Although to be fair, one of my French contacts who is very close to Fabre did tell me last year that the trainer was absolutely blown away with the horse's raw ability. The previous trainer had been running him over 12f and Fabre always thought he'd be best at a mile.
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Fabre can train them.Too temperamental for most. Not that it will bother me, but this fellow bucked a family trend wìth his aptitude.
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We've lost a useful one to Ireland in Mount Nelson I think.
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I think that might be so, wonder if Newsells will replace him?
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Shaka €27,500
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And if my iPad auto corrects my spelling one more time it's going out the window.
So, one more time, Shalaa €27,500. |
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Crikey O'Reilley.
No one seems to worried about over production and a very selective market do they? I am. And this horses form or soundness doesn't bear the closest inspection in my humbles. |
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Darleys are out. Spot the bargains...oh wait there arent any. Surely you could have given a bit on Sepoy and clearly they expect the market to like The Last Lion more than the forum. Charming Thought?? 8k??? Bet you have to look him up
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Actually I thought Charming Spirit at 8k was the bargain
 rated 116 at 2 and cost a pretty penny as a yearling - 625K and page looks ok. When compared with Shalaa at £25k and The Last Lion at £10.8 I thought he looked quite good. |
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I agree Posh, Charming Thought is worthy of consideration.
I agree yer ma, I had to look him up! I don't know whether New Approach is worthy of a gamble now following the great mares he has covered, but he has never done it for me so those of you in that range can make your decisions without my help! There are some very fancy prices out there and it's no bl00dy wonder that the first season sire market remains so overheated when these expensive 'proven' sires are only ever a quiet year away from the fashion graveyard. |
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Doesn't look like much in the £5k exciting bracket is coming along. Still time for someone to snap up Cotai Glory or Estidhkaah otherwise we will be unexcitingly back to Pastoral Pursuits etc..
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Charming Thought owes his lack of activity to poor feet and Territories had a tie forward operation between 2 and 3.
There, I'm sure many have this info but I've only learned it this week! |
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I didnt know that so thanks PotM. What a pointless car crash of a sale that tatts ireland foal add-on was, that or as a fellow scotsman once said 'We're doomed!'
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I must admit to a raised eyebrow when reading the Tatts critique of their day of fun.
I am not sure that a rough estimate of €35 k's worth of commission goes very far towards setting up that little tombola stall does it yer ma! However, I do wonder if those folks that took a nice ordinary foal and got it moved for 10-20k might not be reasonably happy? I don't think it is going to be easy for those types at Goffs and right now whilst looking at a pile of faults where the best thing about them might be a nice headcollar, I'm beginning to wish I'd been there! God I hope it's just pre season jitters |
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The Euro situation is hurting our cost base but from a selfish perspective I hope (and assume) the irish pinhookers will be even more strongly favouring Tatts with their 1:1 euros. Strongly suspect more than a couple of those range purchases were smoke and mirrors given the vendors and buyers. How these irish stallion masters can look these small vendors in the eye and ask 10k for my latest moderate stallion is amazing. What do you think of Bated Breath?
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I think he is another Monsieur Bond that will get decent older sprinters. He will probably do a little better due to where he is.
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Plus. Looking down his list, the broodmare sire of his runners weren't guaranteed to help him get 2yos. I always felt he would need help in that respect and plenty of it.
I thinkhe has a good chance to increase his profile but that's always a gamble isn't it as most nail their colours to the mast quite early on. He had the mares, had the popularity and had the right homes so all in all he is a bit disappointing right now. Not one I would say 'don't go there' with any great certainty though. And yes, 150 foals later and your filly no.149 appears. Well I don't know what the median price will be but all below it will be in trouble with all these gp 3 wonders. Prince of Lir anyone? |
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Twilight Son - £10k, not the heaviest page but looks pretty reasonable.
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Mayson £6k. I suppose they had to show an increase and that seems ok to me. Opinions please as he is close to the top of my list. Any better options in that price range(or less)?
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Mayson has certainly made a good start, still a fair fee, and he may be the real deal as a sire, but of course by the time you come to sell your foal he will have hit the dreaded third crop and you take a chance on him still being in favour. As an alternative you have another son of Invincible Spirit who also doesn't have the perfect conformation in Cable Bay. He did have a whopper of a first book with plenty of the right names in there and you mightn't be amiss in following that in second season. Physically he is the more imposing of the two aside from his faults. Twilight Son is a slight shock at that fee to me and he'd better be a proper good-looking horse for it to lure me in.
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FT what faults does CB have?
I agree that Mayson is slightly ahead of the curve now, but I realise that next year he will probably be back to £5k and £3k by the time I come to sell. For what it's worth my opinion of him purely based on his first crop is that he is better than Foxwedge and Dragon Pulse (both above him on the 1st season table, and not too far off Sepoy, a good bit more expensive than him. I don't think anything below him is better than him. I would say he has a better chance of making it than most 1st season stallions next year at 5/6k and as such is marginally a better bet. |