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sageform
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First list of the year shows Exceed and Excel well ahead of the field.

Exceed and Excel  18
Cape Cross  14
Kyllachy  13
Acclamation  12
Kodiak  12
Medicean  11
Sakhees Secret  11
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Report sageform March 29, 2016 4:32 PM BST
Gambit was the first 2016 winner in GB for New Approach. expect a few more once they get back on turf.
Report sageform April 15, 2016 7:36 PM BST
Sire tables for 2016 until today.
Sakhees Secret, Monsieur Bond and Bushranger all in the list of leading sires of GB flat wins for the first time.

           2015    2016           
Exceed and Ex.    130    25           
Cape Cross    100    23           
Kodiac      135    21           
Kyllachy    91    19           
Sakhees Secret    46    19           
Kheleyf            73    18           
Dark Angel    104    17           
Iffraj           88    17           
Shamardal    121    17           
Acclamation    128    17           
Medicean    50    16           
Monsieur Bond    46    16           
Pivotal     92    15           
Bushranger    49    15           
Champs Elysee    46    14           
Invincible S    120    13           
Sir Percy    76    12           
Oasis Dream    94    11           
Dansili            69    11
Report sageform April 15, 2016 7:37 PM BST
apologies that the forum rearranges my nice table!
Report Wilycayote April 15, 2016 10:06 PM BST
A nice double for Sakhees Secret at Bath today. He's a classic case of a reasonable stallion that gets his winners, but for whom the market has simply moved on.

Bushranger showing he was never as bad as the market would have us believe.
Report The Gotchee April 16, 2016 8:18 PM BST


Coolmore team waiting for one of their stallions to appear on sageform's list.
Report sageform April 18, 2016 6:58 PM BST
Most of the Coolmore product are running in Ireland for twice the prize moneyHappy
Report sageform May 23, 2016 10:31 AM BST
Update to May 22. Dark Angel making progress into third while Galileo is taking advantage of recent rain with 3 on Saturday. 2015 total followed by 2016 to date. GB flat wins only. Apologies for the erratic placings of the numbers that are caused by Betfair rearranging my nice neat spreadsheet.

Exceed and Excel    130    39
Kyllachy     91    37
Dark Angel  104    35
Kodiac    135    33
Acclamation    128    32
Iffraj    88    29
Shamardal    121    29
Cape Cross    100    26
Pivotal    92    26
Oasis Dream    94    25
Bushranger    49    24
Sakhees Secret    46    24
Kheleyf    73    24
Monsieur Bond    46    24
Dubawi    104    23
Invincible Spirit    120    22
Galileo    51    21
Fastnet Rock    29    20
Report The Gotchee May 23, 2016 9:47 PM BST
Coolmore team are happy 17th and 18th on sageforms list.
Report sageform May 28, 2016 10:12 AM BST
It could be coincidence but after 20 years of keeping my stats, I still think that progeny of some sires come good at certain times of year. Kyllachy has had a flurry of winners including the last at Musselburgh last night at 16/1 and he now leads on 42. The other sires in the winners recently are Mastercraftsman (11 in May) and Monsieur Bond (27 for the year) who is well on target to beat his previous best of 49 in 2011. A younger sire getting a lot of winners is Fastnet Rock, yet another Danehill, who is now on 23 for 2016. The effect of softer turf instead of AW on Galileo offspring is even more dramatic this year with just one win in Jan-March compared to 21 in April and May. Cape Cross has been rather quiet since a fast start in January but his peak months are often July and August so expect his offspring to start winning soon.
Report sageform May 28, 2016 8:18 PM BST
Two more for Mastercraftsman today from 5 runners.
Report The Gotchee May 29, 2016 10:36 AM BST
Good old FASTNET ROCK covered 376 mares in 2012 and 2013 @ A$ 275,000.00  a pop = A$103,400,000. 00.  It would be embarrassing to publish the amount of prize money won by his progeny.
MASTERCRAFTSMAN covered 313 mares in 2012 and 2013 and thanks to the Grey Gatsby and Kingston Hill,he now commands a fee of €35,000.00.
Report sageform May 29, 2016 11:41 AM BST
My reason for mentioning Mastercraftsman was that his total between Jan 1 and April 30 was 10. From May 1 to May 28 it was 13. Nothing to do with stud fee or the number of foals but your data is interesting. There must be an awful lot of them that are not winning or not racing in GB. Both of yesterdays winners were 3yo's over 12 furlongs which is perhaps surprising for a son of Danehill Dancer. Carnachy is his highest rated offspring to have run in GB this season (shame she didn't run yesterday) and I can only see 2 that have won over a mile, the rest 10 furlongs plus.
Report sageform May 29, 2016 11:43 AM BST
Meanwhile the Kodiac 2yo machine keeps turning out winners. Prince of Lir and Grizzel both impressed at Beverley.
Report potentialmillionaire June 3, 2016 1:56 PM BST
I notice there is a Dubawi running today in The Oaks. Well done to the only representitive of every single stallion stud in the World.
Except one of course.
The Gotchee, I await your picture to,represent the scene. . .
Report The Gotchee June 5, 2016 8:18 PM BST
Overheard in the parade ring yesterday.

APOB. " Listen Ryan, the lads aren't happy with the way you have ridden over the last couple of days.
Mr. Smith had a shoyte haemorrhage on Friday with the way you rode Minding and Michael has pulled out  last few strands of his hair with that ride on U.S. Army Ranger today. It's not funny Ryan".

Report sageform June 10, 2016 3:39 PM BST
Two for Galileo today moves him to move him up to 27, all bar one since April 1. After Sir Percy comfortably being the best Derby winner in my table last year, this time Galileo leads from Sea The Stars on 23 and Sir Percy on 22.
Report The Gotchee June 12, 2016 8:11 PM BST
Report sageform June 13, 2016 9:03 AM BST
Was that blank a message to me Gotchee?
Report sageform June 15, 2016 2:16 PM BST
A surge of wins this week, the latest Kodi Da Capo at Hamilton, brings Kodiac up to 50 GB wins this year, 2 clear of Acclamation and Exceed and Excel on 48 each.
Report sageform June 18, 2016 7:35 PM BST
Just noticed my mistake in the last post, Should have been Kyllachy not Acclamation. The leaders are all still siring winners so the current state of play is:
Kodiac 53
Kyllachy 52 including Twilight Son today.
Exceed and Excel 51
Acclamation 46.

a lot further down but in form recently is Authorised. He only has 14 GB wins this year but 8 of those were in June! Permission was an impressive debut winner at Newmarket.
Report The Gotchee June 18, 2016 9:52 PM BST
"Whats going one here sageform"?
"We are the biggest operation in the world and we can't get one of our stallions on your list"
This is not good enough for our reputable Stud Farm.
Why don't you do a list for stallions that can sire winners who are slow and  win races at Royal Ascot at a distance of over 2 miles.


Report Big Black Cat June 19, 2016 5:11 PM BST
Chalk up one more for Acclimation yesterday with Marsha.

That may have not been the best renewal of that race ever but she bolted up.  Jockey was quoted in the RP saying his arm had gone to sleep by half way she was pulling so hard but she still won with ears pricked.  He described her as an aeroplane :-)  Lets hope she is more Typhoon than Cessna :-)
Report sageform June 20, 2016 7:44 AM BST
She certainly looked a lot better than listed on that evidence but were any of the others listed class?
Report sageform June 20, 2016 7:55 AM BST
Gotchee, if I was O'Brien and Coolmore I would not be unhappy with my stallion called Galileo. He may not get many all weather winners but you need to win 20 of those to get the same prize money as one at Royal Ascot. He has double the prize money of Sea The Stars who is currently second in the official table and 6 progeny rated 120 on RPR this season to date. My stats are deliberately based on a very different basis in order to show that relatively unfashionable sires do produce a lot of winners at a lower level while some expensive ones don't. Bushranger and Monsieur Bond continue to outperform their price but sadly the former is now in Turkey!.
Report potentialmillionaire June 20, 2016 8:53 AM BST
You're a good looking lad Sageform but I must admit from previous posts I had you as,  how shall I put this, a more mature forumite. . .
Report sageform June 20, 2016 5:39 PM BST
I am certainly mature, but not necessarily well informed. Not sure where that picture of my earlier life came from....
Report truehoncho June 20, 2016 5:45 PM BST
the MB strike rate does look quite impressive. He had a little spell a few years ago when he got his fee up to £5k and covered a fair few mares. I assume we will see this feed into your stats in the next year or two. My opinion of him is that he doesn't get precocious types and hence he is slipping off the radar a little. If he can get a nice winner or two this year he is right up my street.
Report sageform June 20, 2016 6:47 PM BST
Black Grass completed a 4 timer this evening. Bowson Fred, Crosse Fire and Agueroo all triple winners as well for MB.
Report Big Black Cat June 20, 2016 11:49 PM BST
Sageform-there was one other horse in the race rate 100+ and Marsha was getting 10lbs from her.

The rest were handicappers-but she made them look like that anyway.

She is in a Group 2 sprint in Ireland next month-if she runs there it will tell us more as to how good she is.
Report sageform June 21, 2016 7:14 AM BST
Thanks, she is with a trainer who likes to hide lights under bushels for as long as he can so anything is possible.
Report Big Black Cat June 21, 2016 9:48 PM BST
The current plan is a listed race at York next month, followed by the Irish Gp2 and if all's well, The Nunthorpe is a possibility.....
Report sageform June 25, 2016 2:10 PM BST
The Kodiac 2yo machine still working as On her Toes trots up at Windsor. Now on 56 for the year.
Report sageform July 1, 2016 5:41 PM BST
Sire table to July 1 5.15.
GB wins for top sires in 2016 to date with 2015 for comparison.

    2015    2016
Kodiac    135    57
Acclamation    128    55
Exceed and Excel    130    55
Kyllachy    91    53
Dark Angel    104    53
Shamardal    121    48
Dubawi    104    44
Oasis Dream    94    39
Pivotal    92    39
Iffraj    88    38
Cape Cross    100    35
Galileo    51    35
Monsieur Bond    46    33
Bushranger    49    33
Invincible Spirit    120    33
Dutch Art    80    32
Sea The Stars    38    32
Dansili    69    32
Report truehoncho July 2, 2016 2:31 PM BST
Sea The Stars may not have the numbers but he is having a terrific year
Report sageform July 3, 2016 12:24 PM BST
True, Both  Galileo and Sea the Stars are doing really well in terms of quality winners. My table deliberately highlights number of wins but does not reflect the quality. It is also interesting that during the prevailing softer ground, Cape Cross and Oasis Dream are very quiet.
Report Big Black Cat July 7, 2016 11:57 AM BST
Sageform-MARSHA does indeed run at York on Saturday.

This looks a much stronger race with a host of group/listed performers in it-so I guess we'll see how good she really is.

PS don't expect to see her until the last possible moment........
Report sageform July 8, 2016 2:46 PM BST
Thanks for that. As I expected, the firm ground sires are starting to get winners now. Oasis Dream, Invincible Spirit both with a win today but Cape Cross still quiet. Fawaareq was surprisingly easy to back and has set me up for the day.
Report sageform July 8, 2016 2:58 PM BST
Permission also runs again today and looks very interesting although the pedigree does not indicate 7 furlongs.
Report sageform July 8, 2016 3:04 PM BST
Wrote that too soon-Montataire wins for Cape Cross at Ascot.
Report sageform July 8, 2016 3:16 PM BST
Permission never really given a chance ridden from last and did well to get into the first 5 over an inadequate trip and ground.
Report sageform July 9, 2016 4:57 PM BST
Well done if you backed Marsha. I stuck with Easton Angel so kicking myself. After Quiet Reflection's run at Newmarket (Kachy was second at Ascot), the form looks very strong.
Report sageform July 9, 2016 5:26 PM BST
So far today, Acclamation 3 wins (60 for the year) , Dubawi and Dark Angel 2 each.
Report Big Black Cat July 10, 2016 8:29 PM BST
Thanks Sageform-very pleased with that-that was a much better race and despite falling out of the gates and being better on faster ground she still won.

We think she's very good and hopefully she will show that on better ground at Goodwood....
Report sageform July 21, 2016 3:11 PM BST
On her Toes yet another pattern 2yo winner for Kodiac. That is 71 in total for the year in GB.
Report sageform July 23, 2016 2:32 PM BST
And Apex King at Ascot is another Kodiac 2yo pattern winner.
Report sageform July 31, 2016 5:07 PM BST
Sire table GB wins to date. First column is 2015 calendar year, second is 2016 to date.   

        2015    2016
Kodiac    135    81
Acclamation    128    77
Exceed and Excel    130    75
Dark Angel    104    70
Kyllachy    91    65
Dubawi    104    58
Shamardal    121    55
Pivotal    92    52
Iffraj    88    50
Cape Cross    100    49
Oasis Dream    94    48
Galileo    51    46
Invincible Spirit    120    45
Dutch Art    80    42
Arcano    43    42
Dansili    69    42
Sea The Stars    38    42
Zebedee    57    42
Equiano    64    41
Monsieur Bond    46    41

Kodiac maintains a clear lead but Acclamation and Exceed and Excel are keeping in touch .Dark Angel also had another strong month in fourth.
Report sageform August 21, 2016 3:38 PM BST
Yet another milestone for Kodiac today. Jawaayiz was his 100th GB flat winner of 2016. His record of 135 from last year looks very beatable now. Exceed and Excel and Acclamation on 89 and 87 respectively.
Report yer ma August 22, 2016 3:29 PM BST
One of the most remarkable entries on this list is Arcano - I was bemused when they ejected this lad and he's shown them up by combining more winners with better class winners too.  Best value on the list by some way
Report sageform August 22, 2016 7:02 PM BST
Agreed, Arcano is steadily improving as is Sea The Stars. Dubawi and Shamardal are both down in total GB numbers but have plenty of high quality offspring abroad.
Report sageform August 31, 2016 8:00 PM BST
Kodiac continues to extend his lead and is well on target to beat the 2015 total of GB wins.

GB wins in 2016.

Kodiac 106
Acclamation 94
Exceed and Excel 93
Dark Angel 85
Kyllachy 72
Dubawi 68
Shamardal 67
Iffraj 66
Pivotal 65
Cape Cross 63
Oasis Dream 60
Dutch Art 58
Galileo 56
Invincible Spirit 56
Dansili 56.
Report Eont September 1, 2016 9:50 AM BST
Dubawi and Shamardal will have been severely effected by Bin Suroor hardly having any runners.
Report sageform September 1, 2016 2:05 PM BST
Elraazy by Dubawi out of the great mare Eswarah managed a first win at Haydock. Unlikely to be Group class but might win a few more now.
Report sageform September 6, 2016 3:31 PM BST
Sir Prancealot with 16 wins since August 1 is now clear top of the first season list in terms of GB wins with a year total of 26.
Report doncaster rover September 7, 2016 12:43 PM BST
Casamento not doing to well but had a nice winner at Redcar yesterday Kings gift I think his name was,in same ownership as mondialiste
Report sageform September 7, 2016 7:56 PM BST
Looked a class or two above the opposition yesterday.
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