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http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/first-season-sires-to-watch-in-2016/
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Thanks, good read.
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Its a good year for 1st season stallions. I like Casamento but he will need to be very good to be first season champion sire in 2016. Sepoy will be interesting, many of the new Aussie imports will be hoping he has a good year. Delegator and Foxwedge could struggle to get into double figures. This year winning maidens will be even harder with the new condition race's that are coming.
I can see some of these being good value for next year as they will struggle to shine this year. Winning 2yo races is getting harder with so many excellent established 2yo stallions like kodiac, dark angel etc. Wouldn't it be great if Doncaster Rover got a hat-full of winners, it would give all us triers a bit of a belief. |
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I have a hunch that Mayson will surprise a bit. Plenty retained for quality stud and owner breeders, and what sold did better than the rumour mill predicted. I swerved him personally as he wasn't the type in my view to be a sales ring sire, but he may well get speedy and talented runners from early on.
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particularly if the rain doesn't stop
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Well Harbour Watch has the numbers and the profile to top the table in my opinion.
Also have a soft spot for Elzaam, he doesn't have the numbers but I liked what I saw of them so he could get a good 2yo. |
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Hope it's Casamento I have increased my stake to 25 % in my Casamento X Angel bright filly and got naming rights I have named her Castle Hill Cassie ( her stables are called castle hill ) she is with Ben Haslem .I am very pleased with how she is going,so is Ben ,can't wait for spring.my Colt by Royal Applause is now a gelding, I have only 10% in him and as yet he is unnamed,he's with Kevin Ryan
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Going to see my filly CASTLE HILL CASSIE at Ben Haslems on Saturday the 20 th of Feb,up to now all the stable reports are encouraging I will post next week on what I think
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Well I went on the weekend stable visit with my wife fri/ sat with my two sons and their children joining us on Saturday.we went round evening stables at Ben Haslems which is only 200 mets from the hotel.my filly looked amazing and to my untrained eye very forward,the official syndicate visit was onsaturday where the two syndicate horse were paraded .we were well looked after and had a great weekend making many new friends.win lose or draw I will never regret joining in with my two horses,bring on April,can't wait
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Doncaster rover your enthusiasm for your project is great and a wonderful advert for the fun to be had in and around our sport.
Now let's hope your charges have a bit of ability and you might be so enthused that next time you might buy one of mine! |
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I have a 2-y-o Sir Prancealot filly which is very, very precocious. Will be a nice early type though indications are will need fast ground.
Also have a 2-y-o Harbour Watch filly which is very placid by nature. Did her first piece of fast work this week up Malton and she came off the bridle early on before picking up nicely at the 5f mark. Both could be nice fillies both from first season sires. |
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Ive a very nice Sir Prancelot as well who should be ready early, also my Born To Sea has shown plenty but slightly worried on temperament and giong the wrong way if over working them, that said they're basing that cos the lads who used to ride BTS said he went that way.
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I cannot see Born To Sea getting many two year olds before late on at best Koo so I would imagine winding them up early could bring many risks, physical and mental. If yours has taken after a speedy dam then hopefully you'll be fine.
Should we be piling on Sir Prancelot for the title folks?! |
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Sir Prancelot has the profile and the numbers so there would be worse bets out there. As an aside I've spoken to one of the breeze up boys on a couple of occasions and he is a big fan of Requinto and thinks they'll be early. Also likes Helmet for later on in the year.
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Which firms are offering first season sire leader odds?
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Posh, did your source really say "later in the year" for Helmet? If he can do that as well he will be a proper sire. As usual, I've not used him.........and Proxygene must be gnashing his teeth at parting with one so cheaply.
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Went to see my Casamento filly on Saturday ( Castle hill Cassie )she looked amazing I have 25% of her ,Also 10% of a Royal applause unnamed gelding .on Saturday I bought 10% share in a lope de vega Colt and had a 2.5 % share bought for me as a gift from my son this was in a Sir Prancelot colt named Vaux
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My 2.5% in Vaux got me a 2cnd at Ripon today,at 20/1 my first placing as a owner
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Well done DR, soon be a winner.
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the breeding game has now become obsessed with producing 6 furlong two year olds.........thats all that seems to matter.......maybe its because coolmore has the middle distance scene sewn up........
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It's because that's what people want to buy.
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Any horse capable of winning a Guineas at three will win at 6f as a two year old, many top middle distance three-year olds will also have won at 6f as a two-year old if given the chance. So, brain dead jockeys, it doesn't make sense to be disparaging about such races, the horses that win them, or the breeders who breed them. All good or even great horses have to have speed in their armoury whatever the trip they race over.
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i prefer 10 furlong and 12 furlong horses to sprinter milers........thats all i kind of meant.......
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Vaux will soon be winning. Moral winner on the night as long as the slow starts are sorted out
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Vaux is to be gelded
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Foxwedge could have had a double at Yarmouth today if the apprentice jockey hadnt thought'd he'd got the first race won a few yards out.
Ascot will really start to spread the first crop table. Frankel Ascot double!? |
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Increased my share holding, Vaux 2.5% Ben Haslem ,Castle Hil Cassie ,Ben.Haslem25% Rey Loopy 10% Ben Haslam, Backinanger 10% Kevin Ryan,Made of Honour 11.25% Cale Buke.All 2/year olds onl Vaux ran up to date,and he needs to improve but we believe he will do.Hopeing for the others to be out soon
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I have come late to this thread, but the mighty FRANKEL is certainly making waves, even though he should do even better next year. What a pity that the late great Sir Henry could not enjoy his greatest horse laying down his legacy at stud.
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Half term report;
Tipping away nicely - Elzaam - Foxwedge Must try harder - Sepoy - Excelebration |
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Red Jazz
I think his first are 2017. |
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PBT 27 Feb 16 11:21 Joined: 17 Dec 03 | Topic/replies: 272 | Blogger: PBT's blog
I have a 2-y-o Sir Prancealot filly which is very, very precocious. Will be a nice early type though indications are will need fast ground. Also have a 2-y-o Harbour Watch filly which is very placid by nature. Did her first piece of fast work this week up Malton and she came off the bridle early on before picking up nicely at the 5f mark. Both could be nice fillies both from first season sires. Progress on these two couldn't be further apart: Sir Prancelot named Yorkshiredebut won very nicely last week up at Musselburgh and we are very, very happy with her ability. Harbour Watch named Ey Up now playing polo after a tremendously underwhelming stint on the track. Gives dreams and equally tames lions this game.... |
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Absolutely PBT .
I suppose that your experience fairly accurately represents first season sire standings to date with one performing well and the other not doing anything exciting. I am pleased you have found out your fate nice and early and you have a nice filly to look forward to. It might not seem like it but you are currently operating at a 50% nice horse rate. Impressive! |
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Update on my 5 horses ( shares in )Vaux I have given up hope on,he's never going to win a race,still love to see him though.Backinanger has raced twice and finished last twice,don't know what to say about him.Castle Hill Cassie still hasn't raced but it is hoped to run 21 st Sept .Rey loopy has grown into a big horse and is going to race at Redcar with Cassie.his full brother Seville Star made his debut as a 3 year old in Ireland finishing second then won his next two impressively
Made Of Honour is also like Cassie out of Casamento and has not raced yet.The Casamentos to me have been largely disappointing ,though some do improve a little for there first run |
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Castle Hill Cassie entered at Redcar 21st Sep Rey Loopy waiting until October,not heard anything from Made Of Honour except she is about ready to get entered for her debut race
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Castle Hill Cassie debuts 16/30 today at Redcar,it's been a long 10 months,fingers crossed for a safe pleasing run,G Lee rides
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Casamento has been a disaster I'm afraid to say..
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Well done DR, you will win a race with her. JM you are right (as if you needed telling!!)
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Thanks true honcho,she is going in a filly only race next so may do a little better,but must say I was more than pleased with hat for a first time effort
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I don't wish to be unkind to Casamento and better judges than me liked his yearlings, but he was a horse I never quite got excited about. His race record wasn't that great and he didn't really beat anything of note. And by Shamardal out of an Always Fair mare didn't scream 2-y-o sire to me. Maybe he'll do better with his three year olds but I doubt it.
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