New sires 2015

I really like this horse. lovely pedigree. I will use him. probably not first season because he will probably be too expensive, but maybe 2nd or 3rd season.

I'm guessing around £10k, is that fair?

Feck me. Howard Hughes has landed on Breeding and Bloodstock once more!

Good to hear from you Howie.

I am pretty close to you with Mukhadram as there are too many parallels with Mawatheeq in many ways.
He does have reasons why he could be a good sire even though I acknowledge opportunity might not be one of them.

Tough consistent horses though are my favourite prospects and at least the best 2 or 3 offspring will find a good home at the sales.

I think as a cheapie he will be worthy of consideration at least.

Thanks Prima. I think that after stringing together a few good years I was due a dive and this season has been it!

Happy in the new place although I think the horses could have been a little more grateful and at least made some effort to stay alive/healthy. However as the sales march into view, I have a few entries and in fairness the worst of the wrist slashing episodes are hopefully behind us.

Going forward though, I am not particularly happy with this years matings so I need some turnarounds there too.

I thought I might take the opportunity to bring up Alhebayeb as this is the appropriate forum.
Obviously precocious and possessed of a current sireline but he doesn't appear to be good enough really. He is one of those horses that needs a good venue if he is to stand any chance. What do we all think, is Tara still relevant enough?

Kirsten Rausing strikes again, love this women, screw commercial lets make racehorses.

PD good to hear from you.

My issue with Alhebayab is when did a winner of the July Stakes do anything at stud? http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_Stakes

PM, I was at Part 1 of the Tatts sales and it was very strong, a box walking filly made €28K, she was very nice though, but still.  I'm sure you'll do fine.

Or of course Kirsten might be setting out to breed a whole host of horses that break down after 5 starts. Time will tell!

I think if I had her level of funding I might take her course, it must be great fun, Posh.

How are you anyway? Has the great migration back to the old country been assessed as a good one? Do you have some sort of gainful employment that keeps you amused or is it a case of living off those fabulous riches you accumulated over here in the big smoke?

The usual conundrum yer ma, shipping over to be one of 5 thousand  who get to produce their cheap and cheerful  for 5k less than we do. Right now, I am blowing more Gale Force, but we shall see what his fee level is. Given the level of promotion he is enjoying I don,t see them going in at the tuppence ha'penny end of the market though.

Surely Johnny Mustang can now be revealed as the nom de plume of Harry Herbert and we can all politely ask him too arrange a Toronado/Olympic Glory Swap.
The National Stud is on my side of Newmarket, a good 10 minutes closer than Dalham/Cheveley Park. That must give them good reason to stand O G over here and guarantee my patronage?

No room in those syndicates sadly J M, they are all fully booked with Paco Boys and anything offered for sale by Highclere Stud.

just one ? off topic ,why is mawatheeq such a negative stallion ,ive seen people slate him on this forum ,he's a good looker(so am told) by danzig and from a good female line ,just wonder n what ive missed just curious thats all.

Wasn't he also somewhat er.... wayward, a la Echo Of Light.

Your mention of Famous Name lingbleed is a great indication that my last piece of gobbledygook was perhaps a bit more use than is the norm.
I know that the sporadic Prima Donna feels that these staying type of sires below classic level are doomed to failure because of their lack of speed anyway but I feel that it has to be more about lack of opportunity. I mean how could a 120+ performer with Mawatheeq's pedigree not be intrinsically of more merit than a scrubily bred 114er by Dark Angel, say?

But we know which one gets the opportunities so as we can never judge them as like with like we shall argue black and white well beyond the cows coming home.

Small plea here to Messrs Coolmore Stud. Having just announced the retirement of THE commercial prospect for 2015 and no, his name is not Australia, that In the absence of your total inability to restrict a book to reasonable numbers could you perhaps keep his fee slightly above 'Clearance Sale' levels in the hope that the volume of product doesn't become TOO thinly spread and your poor little 4yo can average less than 4 mares a day thus giving us a chance to actually emerge pregnant in the first place?

Ta.

Well proxy, that's got me thinking.

I know I am not universally agreed with on this one but I do think there is a hell of a range for an initial stud fee to land in and I do think this very much establishes the value people then expect to place on the subsequent offspring.

You can outsell a cheap cover for sure but I also think a fat fee can bale you out slightly when all is not well with a given crop because of the expectations in the mind of the buyer.
I think everyone is agreed that Declaration of war was too expensive last year and I imagine that his book size won't be truly humongous because of it. However it's Coolmore here and their loyal following will have got them out of trouble and with War Command, I think the fee level could be highish as you suggest because group wins and a nigh on champion 2yo status can be spun so readily.

Oh and another plea. I can't cope with any more 'War' names for War Front progeny. I am getting too old to distinguish and what with having lost the battle of distinguishing the Muns at Shadwell I am looking for fewer pointers to my Dementia, not greater!

Es Que Love.  Not in love with Maurice's lateral thinking.  Be surprised if the Tsui's are either.  Think I'd rather have one covered by his yearling invincible spirit brother.

Given his connections I was thinking Es Que Love might make an appearance but I thought they would try and tack a bit more race record onto him.
His 22k yearling price tag and the buyer who is not discerning as we know is, a harbinger of not all being great on the conformation front so he is a treat as wary for a start.
I wonder what War Command looks like? Power looks an ugly beggar in line with a 50k not sold yearling tag. Coolmore know that they can charge top dollar if we walk into the yard and are impressed. We shall see

On the topic. Could we please have fees post yearling sales again this year, rather than the December sales announcements that we seem to be moving towards?

Charm Spirit. That's come from left field to me. Interesting.

Noble Mission. Surely too? Banstead?

Wily, for god's sake have Mrs (or Mr) Cayote standing by with A&E on speed dial, heaven only knows what might be living in those pockets. . .

I see where you are coming from with the pile'em high analogy, but I'm not sure they are selling them so cheap!

With no choice but to freeze the fee of a 'wrong year' stallion, it may very well be the year that they seem like value in these inflationary times. Problem is for me, that the minute I see that blob appear on the scanner is the minute that I start the "oh god, it's the wrong year, so we're all going to hell in a handcart" and that dear reader is how I remain for the next 18 months.

Perhaps Prozac is the answer?

YORGUNNABELUCKY?

full brother to Shamardal, has he any chance?

Just looked at the Darley roster. I don’t see much value. Doesn't seem too many options for small commercial breeders. I thought with the amount of stallions being available there may be some cheaper options but seems not.

I would have thought Cape Cross and Kheleyf could do a job, but probably not a particularly commercial one.

Stay calm yer ma - I am! - just a PR exersize to those that have used their stallions.

judging by the conversation in my visit, they will be expecting to deal with the obvious wrong'uns - be it year or otherwise.
I suppose in a way Iffraaj isn't the worst, but now more than ever, proven sires are too expensive. The downside on them when you just breed an ordinary one and worst still when that provener has dropped out of fashion is massive