Here's the plan.

ask roadrunner

Ok, as someone who is familiar with breeding on the cheap, I'll give this a shot.

Has the mare you're leasing raced and is it related to winners?  Did it's Dam win, have any brothers or sisters won?  How old is she also?  If you could tell us her name (if she has one) or Sire and Dam's name that will help.

In respect of your choice of stallion, could you not increase the budget a bit?  Even putting it up to just E1K would better increase your chances of breeding something half decent.  Is the stallion you are planning to use even registered?

Is your plan viable?  Yes, but you may also be just throwing money away (although this is something I am also familiar with).

Viable... is racing viable at any level? 21% of expenditure gets returned to owners, most of that is at the top end.

Possible... well yes if you can remain committed/deranged enough for at least 3 years for the plan to come to fruition. There are likely to be more downs than ups, and if you do get to the racecourse you will have discovered all the hidden costs that some of us never had a clue about.

Take 75% of your 3 year budget, flush it down the toilet then spend some of the rest on a breeze up horse, that might be slightly less unviable than most other models.

But we can all still dream, and my pension plan was worth nothing anyway..

There is no point in making this a guessing game.  Obviously the stallion is Putra Sandhurst.  Why not say that?
Put up the mare name and people can look up its record and that of its close relatives.

I would love to say crack on, have a go, but the reality is that for every fairytale breeding story their are 1000 examples of a regrettable longshot.

In my experience, spending an extra couple of grand on a stud fee and mare at the beginning makes all the difference. There are stallions out there for around £3000 that can really do the business (Camacho etc)

they all cost the same to feed, farrier, vet, train so its best to give yourself a chance. Whatever you do, I wish you the best of luck...its a minefield out there!

sounds like a bad idea, that horse hasnt produced any progeny and wasnt a very good horse in the first place, waste of feed.
start a syndicate and get few grand together and go for something with group 1 class, dandy man was nearly group 1 class.
has made good start as stallion, if your going to make the effort, find the best mare as well. you should do well. goodluck

This is a complete and utter waste of time. Sounds like you want to do everything on the cheap. The stallion should not be allowed to cover any mares and has absolutely no right to pass on his genes, however good the mare might be. And to think they're charging €500 for his service fee? They should be giving you €500 instead. What on earth makes you think that this stallion might get you anything out of a mare that hasn't produced anything yet?

There's an old maxim which says "breed the best to the best and hope for the best", but in this case you'll be breeding the average, at best, to the very worst and hoping for an effing miracle.

Best of luck with this, any how.

I'm off to bang my head against a wall then have a cold shower.

Thanks for this lads, yeah you are mostly right. it is on the cheap, we have a bit of land to rear it and local trainer available. the mare is My Yorkshire Rose and the stallion is Putra Sandhurst. The advice on here in the main has reaffirmed my feeling that it ain't worth it, its an absolute guess in the dark but when someone offers you something quick and on the cheap .... well you know what they say .

Thanks to Johnny Mustang hope your head is O K.  Some info for you... Ruby disappointed with Seabass in France, nervous at its fences, Ted looking to go to Galway with it, three weeks and Cheltenham November Betfair chase, but its difficult to get it right. Thanks again and good Luck lads !

irishone, the way you are planning to keep the mare and potential foal is fine (IMO) - I seem to remember Dream Alliance (welsh national) & According To Pete were raised on allotments/back gardens.  It's the ammunition you are planning to use that is ill advised.  If you can upgrade that then you stand a much better chance. 

I basically did a version of what your planning, I managed to pick up an ageing unfashionably bred mare that had bred winners, was a full sister to a listed winner and from a tough family for a song and sent her to a second season stallion that would be unfashionable but was very tough(recommended by a fellow forumite).  The offspring is now in training - See Baltic Blade off the mark thread.  To be far I picked up the mare in 2008 and covered her late in 2009 as the credit crunch was really starting to bite so there were deals to be done but I don't see why anyone else couldn't do similar now.

You can live the dream, you will learn an awful lot and spend a good few quid.  There will be moments of joy and despair and probably more of the latter but I wouldn't have it any other way.

I see Mr Mustang has sat on the fence again.

The mare is thirteen, has bred diddly-squat and didn't manage better than 7th place in seven starts; the stallion shouldn't even be at stud.  This has got all the hallmarks of breeding a no-hoper who is going to scrub round the back of a seller at Wolves or a maiden hurdle at Bellewstown a few times without troubling the judge before going to join all the other poor sods given away as a hack or shipped on the hoof to an Eastern European slaughterhouse.

If you have to breed from her at all - and this smacks of a "she's a mare, she's got ovaries, let's breed from her" - you'd be better off putting her to a decent Irish Draught and selling the resulting offspring as a prospective showjumper or eventer.

Don't - just don't....

"you'd be better off putting her to a decent Irish Draught and selling the resulting offspring as a prospective show jumper or eventer."

Jezebel.... thanks for that info, turns out that most breeders in the area have been doing exactly that .

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