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They are on a different planet. All the Arab money can't get close to them. They consistantly breed and buy the best and their cast off stallions are gems to other studs. Is there no outfit out there that can mount some sort of challenge to them?
They now have another 1000 guineas and oaks winner to breed champions from. It seems they are just getting further and further away from the competition.
I think one of the problems is that the Arab outfits employ advisors and agents that are just not up to the job. There's no doubt that the lads and the lasses working in their yards are top class, but the strategic planning is wanting.
Any thoughts?
They now have another 1000 guineas and oaks winner to breed champions from. It seems they are just getting further and further away from the competition.
I think one of the problems is that the Arab outfits employ advisors and agents that are just not up to the job. There's no doubt that the lads and the lasses working in their yards are top class, but the strategic planning is wanting.
Any thoughts?
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The last call goes to the boss man when it comes to the boys in blue purchases at the sales afaik. Unfortunately the strategic planning is his vision that he can do it without Coolmore and the proud man he is he cant and wont go back.
You look at the winners circle today Magnier, Nagle, Shanahan, OByrne and add in the likes of Timmy Hyde you could have all the money in the world and search all corners and not come across horsemen like that mob. The best in the game!
Michael Osborne has been a massive loss to the Sheikh aswell
You look at the winners circle today Magnier, Nagle, Shanahan, OByrne and add in the likes of Timmy Hyde you could have all the money in the world and search all corners and not come across horsemen like that mob. The best in the game!
Michael Osborne has been a massive loss to the Sheikh aswell
Its not just Darley, the rest are also way behind. The names you mention JMC are surely great judges, but the reality is that the game isn't that hard. Todays Oaks winner cost 1.2m, she wasn't a secret. All you had to do was outbid them.
lol yeah its as easy as that what about all the million pound yearling failures I bet I can name alot more of them than you came name successes.
Look at the rest of the Galileo yearlings that sold for big money that year, a 600k one with Stoute came 5th in a Lingfield maiden the other day how does your theory work there then
Power was a 50k buy back by Oasis Dream surely theres plenty of 50k Oasis Dreams out there and if its easy surely you can tell us the top up and coming horses based on your theory aswell.
Look at the rest of the Galileo yearlings that sold for big money that year, a 600k one with Stoute came 5th in a Lingfield maiden the other day how does your theory work there then
Power was a 50k buy back by Oasis Dream surely theres plenty of 50k Oasis Dreams out there and if its easy surely you can tell us the top up and coming horses based on your theory aswell.
Coolmore have a budget for purchases so do all the other oufits. Coolmore buy plenty of failures(or just overpriced) but they buy the good ones too. The rest don't (at least not with such regularity).
lol well thats why they are great judges. Man walks on moon!
Coolmore / Ballydoyle are peerless as a racing machine but a bit of perspective - they've won 2 of the last 10 Derby & Oaks races. Hardly a monopoly. What they do have a monopoly on is the best Galileo and Montjeu offspring and clearly will then win a lot of 10-14f Grp1s. At a guess they have 8-10x the number of any other owner / trainer.
They had Sadlers, they had Danehill, they had Montjeu they have Galileo and they know how to use them. They effectively control Galileo because his fee is too high to make him viable commercially for an independent thus forcing foal shares and the cherry picking of the resultant youngstock.
They're popping out stallions and they are popping out broodmares as truehoncho says with alarming frequency right now. But although it was almost certainly a dodgy deal I don't think we should forget The Green Monkey 'Dual Agent' or no!!
But where next? Their business has been so solid because of the above four they've needed to mine next to nowhere else. Is Canford Cliffs going to prove the next step forward?
A serious, compatible/outcross, broodmare will have a write your own cheque vibe about her in time to come.
They're popping out stallions and they are popping out broodmares as truehoncho says with alarming frequency right now. But although it was almost certainly a dodgy deal I don't think we should forget The Green Monkey 'Dual Agent' or no!!
But where next? Their business has been so solid because of the above four they've needed to mine next to nowhere else. Is Canford Cliffs going to prove the next step forward?
A serious, compatible/outcross, broodmare will have a write your own cheque vibe about her in time to come.
"A serious, compatible/outcross, broodmare will have a write your own cheque vibe about her in time to come."
Anyone (other than Khalid Abdullah, who doesn't exactly need the dosh) with a half-decent Selkirk or Distant View mare/filly with not too much NDL on the dam's side, or at least not too much SW/Danehill, will be hoping that's the case.
Anyone (other than Khalid Abdullah, who doesn't exactly need the dosh) with a half-decent Selkirk or Distant View mare/filly with not too much NDL on the dam's side, or at least not too much SW/Danehill, will be hoping that's the case.
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I think their existing lines have a few miles in them yet, at least another decade or so. But I do agree everything is getting more and more closely bred.
On my point of who can compete with them, I'm not sure anyone is trying. J Warren is supposed to have identified Camelot as the best yearling he has ever seen (if you believe his friends and family!), so as the Queens BS adviser I'm assuming she was an underbidder!!
By the way BS is bloodstock, I realise it could be misunderstood otherwise in this context!!
I think their existing lines have a few miles in them yet, at least another decade or so. But I do agree everything is getting more and more closely bred.
On my point of who can compete with them, I'm not sure anyone is trying. J Warren is supposed to have identified Camelot as the best yearling he has ever seen (if you believe his friends and family!), so as the Queens BS adviser I'm assuming she was an underbidder!!
By the way BS is bloodstock, I realise it could be misunderstood otherwise in this context!!
truehoncho, watch what you say now, I don't want you jeapordising your knighthood just to keep us amused on here!
Canford Cliffs is a really weird one for them. They hardly go for the Mr Prospector line in Ireland ( Hawk Wing dumped and Henrythenavigator standing in the US ) never mind something from as left field as CC.
Wee jonny says Highclere consigned (and where Dam resides) yearling (which goes on the be Grp1 winner) was the best yearling he's ever seen....must be significant. He looks quite Kingmambo / Tarfah like to me. Hope he wins the Triple Crown, all good for racing. Wont be taking on Frankel that is for cert.
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