He's going to be a GR2 winner and most likely GR1 placed this year and could see him going to a place like Tally-Ho,still don't really like him.
What more does poor old Twice Over need to do?Surely as he's very tough and has run for so long a small NH stud would want him........I'm sure he would do that job alright.

Musir to Stand at Coolmore.

Another good signing.

I read the forum very regularly and find it all very interesting. One thing I haven't read mentioned though and wondered if it had any bearing in anybodys decisions is if a stallion that was the result of breeding similar physical types would be more attractive to you than one who was the result of unsimilar types? Or absolutely no bearing on thinking at all?

I suppose my laymans thinking is that you might be more confident of the type the stallion is going to throw.

I guess the same applies with mares.

I think Ruffian234 that I would be happiest using a stallion that seems to correctly represent the pedigree he starts off with. I think that like with like definitely gives you a good chance of capitalising on what cards you are dealt.

I rather suspect that we appear to have lost prepotency in our sprinters because it historically has not been the most important sector of the game in Europe and therefore has not necessarily been the aimed for result of with  the mating of our sprint mares or stallions.

However Galileo represents a slightly hybrid mating and has plenty of Miswaki about him but in the best possible way. Montjeu on the other hand is very typical of his pedigree of two aptitudinal similars and ofcourse he is Mr reliable to repeat the dose.
Oasis Dream, Pivotal and Dansili are products of different types of parent so as you can't predict who gets what in the genetic shake up, who the hell knows!

proxygene, the market will mark you down for your smaller than average product however you arrive at it. Unless ofcourse they are expecting it to be small, by Inchinor for instance. If you got an all typical Inchinor but a bit bigger they would reward you too. But whether they should've. . .?

The market is mighty easy to disappoint and it's best to try and give them what they expect from a mating - and the best possible version of it too!

No Black Sam,I don't need to hang my head in shame at my comments.The fact is like it or not So You Think is just not as good as we were all told,if anyone needs to hang their head in shame I think its his connections PR department.Yes he's tough but perhaps not as tough or as good as he needed to be to convince us breeders up here.He lacks any turn of foot at the end of his races,'the worlds best 10f horse'I don't think so.If he really was that good then why was he beaten so many times up here and by runners that perhaps aren't regarded as outstanding!

One other thing I'd like to ask you did you see what Tony Morris said about Montjeu last Friday with regards to his connections initial expectations as a stallion?As if you did you would of noticed that they mirrored my views.....views that I remember you were so strongly in disagreement ridiculing my points along with others like yer ma,The Gotchee,even Rip Van Winkle.I said at the time none of you could see beyond what he went on to achieve.I noted none of you had such strong opinions this time,your silence on the subject said it all!I'll hold my view with So You think...I've seen nothing to change my opinion of him.

Black Sam,The article was in last Friday's Post,page 4.he goes on to say.

"Montjue was a racehorse of exceptional distinction,winning 11 of his 16 races over three seasons in training with John Hammond.His six GR1 scores included the Chantilly and Curragh Derbys and the Prix de L'Arc de Triomphe at three,and the Tatt's Gold Cup.Grand Prix de saint cloud and King George VI&Queen Elizabeth Stakes at Four.that record confirmed his outstanding ability over middle distances,allying a formidable turn of foot with ample staying qualities,but he was NOT everyone's idea of a prospective top-class sire when he retired to Coolmore in 2001.Up to that point NO son of Sadlers Wells had excelled to quite the same degree as his sire,and his stamina-laden pedigree led many to believe that he would get plodders".

You may remember me saying just this a couple of years ago when once before this forum was discussing the merits of Montjeu v Galileo....I also went on to say the view held by his connections of him long term was of a high class Jump stallion.The level of his successful first crop blew their initial expectations out of the water,and has continued to do so.Some of us perhaps truly understand the industry and can see what was really expected of Montjeu. Hard for some to accept it seems,some can't think back before his fantastic results,those few were shouting the loudest at my comments perhaps now they all feel I wasn't talking rubbish and my comments are valid!

Perhaps because of the Top Ville influence, perhaps because of an 'anti-Coolmore' stance or PERHAPS because it's TRUE! Take a comparison of one of Montjeu's contemporary's who retired at the same time, Dubai Millenium. Withour getting into an argument over the ability on the course, lets agree they were of similar standing on racecourse performance and just contrast their starting stud fees. DM 100,000 Montjeu 30,000. Who's connections were expecting great things of their sire?

Did you all see that fantastic performance today from Slow You think?Now that truly did look like a real good GR1 race.......such a high class field!Still he gets yet another superb GR1 win on his see through CV.Of course there was another GR1 race today the Prix D'Ispahan over a slightly shorter trip and it was only slightly shorter but a wins what's needed now and with the French race he would come up against better horses and somehow I doubt he'd of won.call me cynicle but its a view I think connections share also!

I don't know much about SYT's 'official' plans but my unofficial opinion has him finished now. 6l winner of his final start will do nicely for the publicity behomoth at Coolmore NSW and I suspect - call me Mrs Prima-Cynic if you like! - they'll not mention the average 105 rating of his opponents.

Surely Prima you could have found a 90 rated filly somewhere to steal a 3rd place Gp1 bracket? I think you might need to give Slick'n'Smooth a lecture on opportunism opportunities!