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Have we seen the great sire's last winner (Wild Cane Ridge in a bog at Newcastle on 15th Feb)?
With the recent honourable retirements of The Listener and Monet's Garden, and connections reportedly about to retire Wild Cane Ridge, this only leaves a rag bag of 5 hunter chasers (Southwestern, Sesame Rambler, Trade Off, Ossmoses and Roaringwater) possibly still in training, though only Sesame Rambler has run under Rules this hunter chase season yet, along with Arnold Layne now a 97 rated chaser and My Rosie Ribbons, a poor maiden hurdler.
Southwestern is still a class act as a hunter chaser, so he may be able to win, but he'll be 13 next year, as will Arnold Layne. Those two apart, it looks as though the curtain is falling on one of the most successful NH sire careers ever.
With the recent honourable retirements of The Listener and Monet's Garden, and connections reportedly about to retire Wild Cane Ridge, this only leaves a rag bag of 5 hunter chasers (Southwestern, Sesame Rambler, Trade Off, Ossmoses and Roaringwater) possibly still in training, though only Sesame Rambler has run under Rules this hunter chase season yet, along with Arnold Layne now a 97 rated chaser and My Rosie Ribbons, a poor maiden hurdler.
Southwestern is still a class act as a hunter chaser, so he may be able to win, but he'll be 13 next year, as will Arnold Layne. Those two apart, it looks as though the curtain is falling on one of the most successful NH sire careers ever.
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hey dont give up hope yet cymro,whysomayo still winning hunter chases at the ripe old age of 14
And so ends another of the dwindling band of Byerley Turk sirelines. Roselier's was slightly unusual, but he was probably the best NH sire of them.
All the Luthiers seem to be gone now, leaving only Ahonooras descendants remaining. As far as I'm aware Definite Article is the only solely NH sire son of Indian Ridge remaining, at least the only reasonably successful one in UK/Ire.
There are a few young stallion sons of Indian Ridge and Inchinor at stud, but they haven't exactly had flying starts, and incredibly, only one (Eastern Memories) in the US.
Purely from an historical/sentimental attachment to them, I hope against long odds, the male line does not become extinct.
All the Luthiers seem to be gone now, leaving only Ahonooras descendants remaining. As far as I'm aware Definite Article is the only solely NH sire son of Indian Ridge remaining, at least the only reasonably successful one in UK/Ire.
There are a few young stallion sons of Indian Ridge and Inchinor at stud, but they haven't exactly had flying starts, and incredibly, only one (Eastern Memories) in the US.
Purely from an historical/sentimental attachment to them, I hope against long odds, the male line does not become extinct.
this may be true but considering the huge influence of the dam in a horses breeding surely we should be compiling a list of Roselier bred mares ?
A common breeding make up of recent years is to team up presenting with roselier mares - On His Own is one such example (running in the 4 miler Cheltenham 2011 )
A common breeding make up of recent years is to team up presenting with roselier mares - On His Own is one such example (running in the 4 miler Cheltenham 2011 )
Won it like a good 'un. I see that Roaringwater was out the other day in a hunter chase, so may be a little while until we can say with certainty which the last winner will be.
Hopefully we can possibly see The Listener going the hunter chase route next season.
Southwestern wins the Horse & Hound Cup @ Stratford for the second time. Fantastic.
Bringing this back to the top as (a) Roselier's greatest son, Suny Bay, was sadly put down aged 22 this week and (b) old Southwestern who may well be his last surviving active progeny, and rising 13, starts his season at Wadebridge tomorrow according to the RP.
Suny Bay's weight carrying performance in the Grand National when second to Earth Summit in dreadful conditions was the best I have seen since Crisp.
Suny Bay's weight carrying performance in the Grand National when second to Earth Summit in dreadful conditions was the best I have seen since Crisp.
Nice thread, the Listener was the accumulation of a lot of the good things in the breed imo
Southwestern won the Mens' Open at Wadebridge today; hope he can manage one more under rules when the hunter chase season starts.
Both Southwestern and Arnold Layne won points last Sunday.
Yes, the sight of The Listener soaring over fence after fence at Punchestown was the fondest of memories of this great sire. I don't know how much a sire can influence jumping ability, but of all stallions in recent memory, Roselier's progeny seemed to have an outstanding propensity to leap.
Strange you should say that, cyclops. I've been an avid follower of this great sires progeny, and have found that they are far from natural jumpers of a fence. Indeed, apart from the very good ones, that were....very good over the birch, I got the impression the average Roselier saw fences as an inconvenience, and were poor jumpers of such by and large. Odd!
Here we go- TTT again.
Tomorrow will almost certainly see the last ever Roselier progeny run under Rules in this country.
Southwestern, now 13 aims to repeat his tremendous win in the Champion Hunters' Chase (formerly the Horse & Hound cup).
Has reportedly run his last PTP so this will be his swansong.
To my knowledge his only other active offspring is Arnold Layne who now only runs in points. He's rising 14 so as the Hunter Chase season is now ending I'd be surprised if we saw him.
Hope the old fella gets round OK, and runs into a place or better.
Tomorrow will almost certainly see the last ever Roselier progeny run under Rules in this country.
Southwestern, now 13 aims to repeat his tremendous win in the Champion Hunters' Chase (formerly the Horse & Hound cup).
Has reportedly run his last PTP so this will be his swansong.
To my knowledge his only other active offspring is Arnold Layne who now only runs in points. He's rising 14 so as the Hunter Chase season is now ending I'd be surprised if we saw him.
Hope the old fella gets round OK, and runs into a place or better.
I bring this up for the last time, over a year since I posted that Southwestern would probably be the great sire's last runner under rules in the UK (finished 7th in the Horse and Hound, or whatever it is called now)
Radio silence since, therefore, so it has proved.
So a tribute to Roselier- his best horses in order of RPR were:
Carvills Hill 187
Suny Bay 175
The Listener 171
Monet's Garden 167
The Grey Monk 167
One Knight 167
Kingsmark 163
Royal Athlete 163
Personally, I think Suny Bay was better than that, (and probably better than Carvills Hill on a flat track) especially given his weight carrying performances in the National, but a fair old legacy.
Radio silence since, therefore, so it has proved.
So a tribute to Roselier- his best horses in order of RPR were:
Carvills Hill 187
Suny Bay 175
The Listener 171
Monet's Garden 167
The Grey Monk 167
One Knight 167
Kingsmark 163
Royal Athlete 163
Personally, I think Suny Bay was better than that, (and probably better than Carvills Hill on a flat track) especially given his weight carrying performances in the National, but a fair old legacy.
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