bloodstock agents

Bloodstock agents usually charge 5% of the purchase price of horse but it is very hard to find a reputable one. Did you have a look at the unsold lots at the recent Goffs sale? There were a few nice in foal mares led out unsold for under 5k. GL

The usual Fermoy contingent are heading over to the sale, and I presume Team Rathbarry are already there. They could get the job done for you

I can recommend an agent who is based England. Very knowledgeable and recommended by me for foals,yearlings and mares. I can get him to contact you if you wish.

thanks for the  replys, i'm not  looking for  any kind of advisory service, i know the mare i want to  bid on, i just want someone who will literally stick up their hand  on my behalf and take  it down  again if  the price  rises above 5k, who is the  fermoy person  i  would look  to contact?  again i'm a novice  in this game, but  a day  off will cost me  about a  hundred euro and flights to stansted and transport to newmarket another hundred or so,i would be hoping to get  it  done for not more than that

Would you not just set yourself up with an account, ask your bank to provide confirmation of funds being available and then bid over the phone yourself? Seems very straight forward to me.

Did you get your mare ovalu ?

no, i hadn't a hope, i was looking to pick up a bargain but trade was strong, she went for 30k

Could you tell us the lot no?

1775,  like i said already i was just hoping to pick up a bargain if trade fell through the floor

You'd have to be very optimistic to get her for 5k or under.Still you could say at 30k she might look a touch top heavy.

I saw her at the sale she wasnt a bad looking mare to be honest and had a nice covering and shes out of a very good mare. A person that uses the forum bought her in goffs in foal to Tiger Hill his username is something i cant remember he posted when her two year old won by danehill dancer last year

When you consider she has been to some good sires with the exception of Tiger Hill and Ad Valorem she hasn't bred anything of note,no black type runner at all.Being out of a good mare perhaps,but only in terms as a runner herself as Marling has been at best moderate as a producer,facing 15 years old you really need her to get you a very nice looking colt(Mastercrafstman is no beauty) to at least stand a chance of getting your money back if she gives you a filly I reckon you could be in trouble. You will fast be going down the old mare syndrome route,then she will look very expensive!

prima donna and rip - whos the best person on the forum to talk to regards breeding as a whole.

I have plenty of horses to race but fancy throwing my arm into breeding as well in a small way and would like to know from people who do it already to know what to look for in a mare, i.e. looks, breeding or form and what proportion youd put into each mare when analysing her potential and costs.   Then id want to know every nock and cranny from there, im not able to be hands on in anyways as im clueless around horses.

But whos the best on here to talk to regarding it all ?

Koo,If I'm right I think you have jump horses,so I guess you want to breed jumpers,I reckon Rip Van Winkle is the best man on this forum to talk to he has a few high class jump mares I think.

No prima, i have everything from 5f winners on the AW to 3m chase winners.

Im just interested in breeding good horses,  from simple maths breeding chasers wouldnt be something id look to go into as you need to wait soo much longer and im guessing the mare if shes raced will be knocking on too much by the time you realise shes capable of producing good horses.

But id be half interested in the NH game all the same but defo more the flat as i would like to dream of making a profit just occasionally


Im just interested in it all really, but would rather to speak to those with experience than read in textbooks as its usually better to learn that way i find.

Good Lord, I'm in agreement here. That mare was expensive. On those first three days there was definitely something that I thought had long gone from the market - strength at the bottom.
I am no expert but it did seem like a great selection of foreign money was hoovering away and 1775 benefitted from that, being pushed up a bracket higher than she perhaps deserved.
Rising 16 and those smart covers/ordinary results don't go unnoticed by foal/yearling buyers.
Koo, You've set yourself a big task! I suspect most people on here have been drip fed information on the game over a considerable time. And I know that we all agree on one thing - we don't have all the answers.

What do you mean Pot M in agreement here!Anyone with even the remotest commercial head could see that mare was expensive.I think the whole week surprised a lot of people,we sold several and bought just one,we were delighted with the turnover from ours and paid about what we should of for the new one but as ever only time will tell.Did you get any new mares?


Koo....As a starting point get a nice well put together mare from a good family that gets winners and some classy ones too,choose a stallion that is from a great stallion line and again try to find one that is from a good producing family,that can be perhaps tricky as some of the good ones are expensive if your budget does not stretch that far then go for a well bred son of a successful stallion.If you plan to sell remember you need preciosity and class.That is only a base of where to start hope it helps.

Well i havent got a mare like that from a good family.   If only my Oasis Wince colt was a filly id have a good starter.   Wouldnt have got it for 10k though i suppose.

Right, so for next year the plan has to be to either buy a filly to race with a better page than i have or to go to a sale and buy one specifically to be a broodmare.   The only filly's i have are Mystic Winds and Ananda Kanda, both winning 2yo's but the former is not bred good enough is it and the later is bred too much for stamina with Red Maloney's classic placing not helping the page really.   Unless obviously one or the other ends up listed class, then we might be ok.

High Class jumps mares i dont think so
PD and Potm are very commercially minded and seem very shrewd they should take more chances though (mastercraftsman)

Koo, yes you could buy a filly to race or a mare. But the most important thing for being commercial is 2yo's. A mare that has won at 2yo and has lots of 2yo's on her page. Looking at your two fillies Mystic Winds has plenty of 2yo's on the page but her sire is not a great plus point. It is early days for him but he wouldn't be the first thought in a buyers head when looking for a fast early type. The other filly, Ananda Kanda wouldn't be a first choice IMO. Very US pedigree and nothing early about it. One for the sales I would have thought(from a breeders perspective)

The Feb sale at Tatts might be good place to look. Plenty of 2yo fillies go through there and many don't make much at all. You cannot cover a filly until she is 3yo so they are in a sort of Limbo as far as potential broodmares go. Keeping a filly for 12 mths until she is old enough to cover and then waiting another 11 mths for a foal and a further 8-9mths to be able to sell the foal is just too long a return on the outlay. However, as you race you could buy a potential broodmare and let her spend the year trying to improve her page by running and hopefully winning before you retire her to stud. She must have 2yo form though and not be a huge backward sort. A fast sire is another huge plus.

cheers  prima donna.   I actually forgot i had one speedy filly.   But shes now gonna run in sellers as she hasnt progressed as much as possible.   Wanchai Whisper.   She wouldnt be good enough to breed from would she ?
She is all speed though and barely stays the 5 sadly otherwise shed be very good if she saw it out fully.

For now the feb sale might look the best then.

Koo, Wanchai Whisper as a 6 time winner and multiple 2yo winner by a fashionable fast sire and out of a Pivotal mare would not be a bad place to start. She is no star and her 2nd dam is light but the 3rd dam is a good mare. Pivotal is a good upgrader and very acceptable as a b/m sire. 1st dam has 100% record so far! Do you know the whereabouts of the Acclamation colt? Is he likely to put another winner on the page? Acclamation is a useful sire and could get a listed class horse for the mare. If that is the case Wanchai Whisper would be in with a good chance of making a return at the lower level fee range.

We tried to like Mastercraftsmen, Ripvan!

Mind you, the choice I made instead, mm. perhaps not the wisest!!

You are entitled to be looking forward to Mystic Winds, Koo. She might turn out good enough to take a chance with the page. You cannot get everything desired (unless you have a Dubai sized chequebook) so I would accept a slightly more obscure sire particularly if a filly has won at 2. WW is from a family that Dave and Trish Brown have had some great touches over the years but it isn't very current right now. If WW hasn't physically progressed then that would be a worry. If she is reasonably scopey as a type then that would be in her favour, but a look at what comes on the market might find you pleasantly surprised at what you can afford compared to what you've got. Something we all should keep an eye on. W.W. surely doesn't want for toughness does she?

Sorry Prima, my punctuation not the best. My exclamation was at the mare & her price - not the fact that we agreed!!
Well done for your sales/purchases Prima. One thing that struck me was still a lot of buy backs. Once it becomes clear that the sale is pretty strong, surely the economic background should have persuaded more people to accept the market valuation for their stock.

I thought I might spend a bit of time with the shute lads ( uncomfortable territory for me), but it was pretty clear pretty quick that I was only going to be a bystander. I can sit in that ring all day though, still dreaming, marvelling and despairing at what people will purchase. Hopefully still learning too.

I know I'm a soft old git, but when Henrietta Bedford led that mare up it was one of the  poignant times in that ring!

Sorry, no idea where the acclamation went.  Seemed reasonable at 800gns unless it was put through the ring to be qualified for maidan auctions off a nice weight.   ( if thats what happens when some owner/breeders are buying them back)  thats part of what i want to learn as well.  lol

Its a shame for the family line that Alan Berry trained the Grand Dam as that showed plenty on debut and ran to at least 75 before going badly backwards for him.  But i must admit i did buy her with that 3rd dams pedigree in mind and seeing alot of decent sprinters there i hoped she might prgress and become a 80 filly,  ( Bolshoi was in claimers before catching fire for instance ) then id have defo been more interested in using her as a broodmare but since hses still 64 i thought she might not be upto the required level on the racecourse and /or lack a bit of class.

lads, just looking through the DBS catalogue for tuesday lot 59,  it's  a danehill mare in foal to mastercraftsman (a grandson of danehill), why would they have chosen to inbreed so closely? it's surely not an attractive proposition

For anyone interested wanchai whisper runs today in a seller at lingfield.

Unlucky with your filly today Koo. She looked for a stride or two as if she was going to hold on once she went in front but got run out of it close home. The winners solid enough, even after over 100 races, and you lost nothing in defeat.

One thing though, has your filly always had such a reasonably high head carriage? I noticed she was in a noseband today and maybe that's always her style of running. Didnt think there was anything ungenuine about her but I'd like to see them get their heads lower to the ground near the line.

Where does she go next?

shes always held her head funny from day 1.   Im not sure if she stops when in front or barely sees the 5f out.   But she seems consistent enough to not think shes ungenuine, just a bit tricky.   Shes a tresure to deal with at home and has a perfect temperment that way.

She'll run over 5 at kempton or preferable leafy as held up runners just do a little better there.  Basically as soon as theres arace

Im gonna actually put Wanchai Whisper in foal this year.   Basically just to see how it all works, i bought her with some potential in mind and believe she is very very fast albeit over about 3f.  lol   

Be interesting to find out all the costs and some of the pitfalls now so in case i get more into breeding or look to that avenue more at least im a little more educated.

Learn as go on through experience is suallly the best so here goes lads !!!

No more sellers for Wanchai and time to find a stallion !!!!!