I thought he was sold!

First place to check would be the conditions of sale in the catalogue. Normally you have to announce any vices prior to sale.

I think the said animal will have to go back to Tatt's ,then it goes before a panel to see if they then agree it has the vices described by the purchaser,if they say it does NOT have any of the vices then its classed as a normal sale,if not it will then be returned to you (at your cost).
Years ago I bought a foal from Tatt's when we got him back it was a weaver,we sent it back before the panel who said it was NOT a weaver,I said fine but he must go back to Tatt's as a yearling to be sold,his new buyer returned him as a weaver the following autumn once again he went before the useless panel who then agreed he was a weaver,the result was a void sale we lost out that time,I now don't have a lot of faith with the said 'panel'who frankly in that case must of been blind,good luck hope it goes right for you.

Thank you PD and BI. I can ensure you he has shown no vices he has been with the best in the business this year and their word is good.
The only problem BI is that if I had known of any problem it would have been disclosed and the colt would have sold there and then ( be it at probably a lower price). The new owner may have had second thoughts and thought they had paid too much (my faith in people is waining). We just hope the colt settles wherever he ends up but I must say it will not help him if he has to be a stabled at a further place in a shortwhile.

Gutted. Have just heard that the panel have confirmed the horse is a box walker. The purchaser may still buy at a reduced sum but waiting to hear tomorrow. This horse must be really unsettled, will just wait and see before going to December sales or breeze ups.

Ugly,If you take him to either of those sales as you know its in your interest to declare him as a box walker,in this market that could put some punters off,I'm sure its not been the plan but if you like him why don't you put the colt into training?
But you may decide to take what you can get for him now if the purchaser does get back to you,as I said above I've no faith in the 'panel'this sort of outcome is never satisfactory to either side,good luck btw.

Was he by Singspiel just out of interest?

Thanks for the responses. Yes PD you are correct.

Really sorry to hear of your experience.  So many horses have vices that appear as you say from becoming unsettled.  I had wind-suckers and weavers aplenty and never really worried about them.  Box-walkers can of course walk off their condition.  I would suggest if you do go down the training route, to pick a smaller trainer who is a) cheaper and b) could turn him out daily into a small paddock/pen.  I know he's a colt but it is still possible and may just settle him. I'd also suggest your trainer looks into using calmers such as Nupafeed (Speciosa was trained on it) or Magic. Both products are excellent at relaxing the horse without taking anything away (if that makes sense!) - once the horse gets older he may relax better in any case.  You may also find a smaller trainer will do a deal with you and maybe keep half to help you out.  At the end of the day, they need horses in and so long as 50% of the training fees cover what he/she is shelling out.

Best of luck whatever you decide and let us know how you get on.

Deserted Orchid ?

Pflaume is german for Plum (Singspeil being a german form of opera).  Amongst other things its also slang for 'dead-loss', 'coward' and 'twit'.

Rofl Stellar. Seriously though Ugly I'm sure the whole of the forum hope that this horse is the next superstar to slip through the net (Snow Fairy story in racin p tmrw).

Friend sold potential jumper at Doncaster as 4yo many years ago,had owned him since foal, no probs at all, purchasers lived in Scotland and said he weaved, much fuss and in end she had to go all the way from Somerset to Scotland to collect him, never weaved needless to say, kept him and won a hurdle/chase or ptp for her every year since! Now 13 and loaned to a hunting home, dear old boy.

Some things are just meant to be even though they are infuriating and unjust at the time. Please tell us all when your horse first goes to the sports, we will all be cheering him on!

Thanks for the replies and the good wishes. Keep the names coming we have plenty of time. Rip yes we made the mistake of going to the uncommercial Haafhd. He was not that bad looking but Peter Doyle has bought him, probably end up being a Zeberdee. I will keep you informed of the name and his progress.

He wasn't cheap the year you used him either but hopefully he can pay you back by winning something, it will prob be Hannon who has him so thats a positive.

What is the mare in foal to and what stallion do you plan on using on next year because it seems she has got two fairly usefull coverings so far. Maybe something along the Danehill line now seeing that the mare has Sadlers Wells and Kingmambo in her pedigree and also Darshaan so your limited on European bred stallions.

But how about Zamindar the Gone West cross has worked in the past with the family and shes due her filly and Zamindar is a very good sire of fillies

We have a mare in foal to Oratorio as well he never let us down yet but it wasn't a great year for him but who knows what year will through at us. Paco Boy is a nice choice but the mare is not proven, if someone looks at her sale results so far they will be wondering why one sold so cheap. Its not my mare but ugly would you not try a proven stallion on your young mare. I know she got Singspiel in her maiden year but Haafhd and Oratorio are just not doing it at the momen,t in the ring for Haafhd and on track and in the ring for Oratorio.

Just thought I would update you on this tale of woe that I first posted in December 2010.
Please read the thread of how we I thought I had sold this yearling and he was returned to us as a box walker, but good things have come out of this. I kept this good looking colt and named him Brockwell.
He had 2 runs as a two year old, the first was very encouraging. He is trained by Tom Dascombe and last winter we had him gelded so missed out on going to the Derby,(well one can dream). He has run 7 times this year as a 3 year old, and he has just completed a hat trick of consecutive wins at Haydock and will probably get a rating of around 90. He has never box walked or weaved although before his gelding was quite fizzy. He has developed into a fine strong looking gelding who keeps improving. I have had so much enjoyment from seeing the training of the horse develop and improve with every run.
I am now getting interest from buyers from the jumping game and Australia with prices between 2 or 3 times what he would have received at the yearling sale. I still have the mare and have a racy yearling filly that I will put into training.
So whatever happens from now on is a bonus and the last couple of years have been great (I do own several other horses). Follow Brockwell and you never know he maybe at York, Cheltenham or even Melbourne in the future. Unfortunately I would love to stick two fingers up at the well known trainer who pulled out as I and my advisers are sure he purposely geed up the horse as he probably lost his buyer/owner. I will obviously not name him but would love for him to know on what he has missed out on.

well done ugly the kind of tale we all like to hear, perhaps said trainer was elephants trunk when making the original purchase

Thank you for your replies and good wishes. I am watching the closing ceremony speeches at the Paralympics and it is a very humbling experience and we all should be very thankful how lucky we are for all those good moments in life. Anyway I hope my horse stays sound and healthy and with a bit more luck adds to his recent successes. PM if those offers are forthcoming I will certainly
consider them as I am learning how short that bridge is between success and failure.

Great to hear of your success ugly. Brockwell seems like a cracking horse. Two fingers to other parties mentioned indeed. I am not surprised the jumps boys are looking for him. He seems like a horse open to further improvement and a real triumph hurdle type. At this point financially I would let them have him. After his hat trick of wins and with the 3 year old hurdles starting I would let someone else have a crack now ;).

As above - what a great ending and testament to your faith in your colt !